Why I won't be voting Shinner

Dabhach

As somebody who was preparing to vote for Martin McGuinness, I have to say I'm disgusted by his antics over the last couple of days. I expect dirt from Fine Gael people, but when McGuinness lowered himself to the level of a Blueshirt he lost my vote in a heartbeat. What sickens me is that of all the candidates, he's the one with the most questionable past. I never believed his denials about that past; I just didn't care. I was prepared to take him in the full knowledge of that past and the belief that he was instrumental in the changes that have come about in the North.

But not any more. For somebody with his pedigree to dive for the dirt like this takes the kind of hypocricy rarely seen outside of a Fine Gael Ard Fheis. By God, the Shinners have really joined the 'democratic process' with a vengence. And what is it they're aeriated about? Apparantly, Gallagher was once a member of Fianna Fail (gasp, horror) and delivered a donor's cheque to HQ. Well, I'm just appalled, I can hear you all screeching.

Personally, I'd prefer if you'd all put the phoney outrage to one side and started carrying your own share of the responsibility for the mess we're in, instead of looking for scapegoats and finding them in a party whose corruption lay in being the most successful at giving you lot what you wanted. Maybe Gallagher is not fit to be president of Ireland, but he's more than fit to be president of its people.

Frank Black

Dabhach wrote: »

For somebody with his pedigree to dive for the dirt like this takes the kind of hypocricy rarely seen outside of a Fine Gael Ard Fheis.

You think it's strange that someone with his past (directing terrorism and causing the death and injuries of 100's of people), would throw a few political low-blows.

You're either the most naive person in the world or 12 years old.

fishy fishy

Dabhach wrote: »

As somebody who was preparing to vote for Martin McGuinness, I have to say I'm disgusted by his antics over the last couple of days. I expect dirt from Fine Gael people, but when McGuinness lowered himself to the level of a Blueshirt he lost my vote in a heartbeat. What sickens me is that of all the candidates, he's the one with the most questionable past. I never believed his denials about that past; I just didn't care. I was prepared to take him in the full knowledge of that past and the belief that he was instrumental in the changes that have come about in the North.

But not any more. For somebody with his pedigree to dive for the dirt like this takes the kind of hypocricy rarely seen outside of a Fine Gael Ard Fheis. By God, the Shinners have really joined the 'democratic process' with a vengence. And what is it they're aeriated about? Apparantly, Gallagher was once a member of Fianna Fail (gasp, horror) and delivered a donor's cheque to HQ. Well, I'm just appalled, I can hear you all screeching.

Personally, I'd prefer if you'd all put the phoney outrage to one side and started carrying your own share of the responsibility for the mess we're in, instead of looking for scapegoats and finding them in a party whose corruption lay in being the most successful at giving you lot what you wanted. Maybe Gallagher is not fit to be president of Ireland, but he's more than fit to be president of its people.

okay, so you were going to vote for MMG, and then you decided not to, because he ousted the "independent" candidate as a FFailer through and through, and turned him into a bumbling idiot.

How DARE he!!

fishy fishy

I don't think anyone is "outraged" - I think they are more amused at how it went down and happy that they found out BEFORE and not AFTER the election.

Tipp Man

You didn't believe his denials about his past but you say you didn't care about them

Then when he gets down and dirty with Gallagher you get into a right tizz over it and won't vote for him? I am genuinely very confused by this

I think McGuinness has far bigger crimes in his life to contend with than having a go at Gallagher

Snakeblood

Dabhach wrote: »

As somebody who was preparing to vote for Martin McGuinness, I have to say I'm disgusted by his antics over the last couple of days. I expect dirt from Fine Gael people, but when McGuinness lowered himself to the level of a Blueshirt he lost my vote in a heartbeat. What sickens me is that of all the candidates, he's the one with the most questionable past. I never believed his denials about that past; I just didn't care. I was prepared to take him in the full knowledge of that past and the belief that he was instrumental in the changes that have come about in the North.

But not any more. For somebody with his pedigree to dive for the dirt like this takes the kind of hypocricy rarely seen outside of a Fine Gael Ard Fheis. By God, the Shinners have really joined the 'democratic process' with a vengence. And what is it they're aeriated about? Apparantly, Gallagher was once a member of Fianna Fail (gasp, horror) and delivered a donor's cheque to HQ. Well, I'm just appalled, I can hear you all screeching.

Personally, I'd prefer if you'd all put the phoney outrage to one side and started carrying your own share of the responsibility for the mess we're in, instead of looking for scapegoats and finding them in a party whose corruption lay in being the most successful at giving you lot what you wanted. Maybe Gallagher is not fit to be president of Ireland, but he's more than fit to be president of its people.

As someone who started reading this thread, but now regrets it, I wish people would stop starting posts with 'As someone who (was never going to vote for the person I'm going to mention) was going to vote for XXXXX, I am now going to vote for ZZZZZZZZ, shame on you all for hounding/not hounding an innocent man/woman/leprechaun'

It adds nothing to the conversation, and the more I see it the more it looks like a thin grab at being a 'freethinker' so people don't immediately say 'He loves ZZZZZZ and wants to have babies with him or her'. Except it immediately makes me think that.

Also, I think blaming Fianna Fail is entirely reasonable as they were in charge for the boom and the resulting cataclysmic recession. I'm going to blame them because they were in charge, not me, they profited, not me, and they are trying to deflect the blame because if they could accept the guilt, they'd most likely hide from polite society in shame.

Dabhach

Fianna Fail are history - they don't need to deflect any blame because they've paid with their political life. Corpses don't make excuses. They're never coming back, which is why I started to look around for a way forward. I thought I'd found it in Sinn Fein, despite their history, but I was wrong. They're as comfortable playing politics as usual as any.

fishy fishy

Dabhach wrote: »

Fianna Fail are history - they don't need to deflect any blame because they've paid with their political life. Corpses don't make excuses. They're never coming back, which is why I started to look around for a way forward. I thought I'd found it in Sinn Fein, despite their history, but I was wrong. They're as comfortable playing politics as usual as any.

maybe Dana would be an option for you then.

Snakeblood

Dabhach wrote: »

Fianna Fail are history - they don't need to deflect any blame because they've paid with their political life. Corpses don't make excuses. They're never coming back, which is why I started to look around for a way forward. I thought I'd found it in Sinn Fein, despite their history, but I was wrong. They're as comfortable playing politics as usual as any.

He had a questionable past when you were prepared to vote for him. I find it hard to believe that the last couple of days are what soured you on him if you find his past questionable (seeing as opinion on his past runs the gamut from heroic to bloody with questionable perhaps erring on the side of bloody).

What did he do in the past couple of days apart from expose Gallagher as a liar? Was that what made you annoyed? doesn't Gallagher being a filthy liar bother you too? That's been exposed in the last few days.

N.B. I wouldn't give either of them steam off my piss.

RonMexico

Dabhach wrote: »

As somebody who was preparing to vote for Martin McGuinness, I have to say I'm disgusted by his antics over the last couple of days. I expect dirt from Fine Gael people, but when McGuinness lowered himself to the level of a Blueshirt he lost my vote in a heartbeat. What sickens me is that of all the candidates, he's the one with the most questionable past. I never believed his denials about that past; I just didn't care. I was prepared to take him in the full knowledge of that past and the belief that he was instrumental in the changes that have come about in the North.

But not any more. For somebody with his pedigree to dive for the dirt like this takes the kind of hypocricy rarely seen outside of a Fine Gael Ard Fheis. By God, the Shinners have really joined the 'democratic process' with a vengence. And what is it they're aeriated about? Apparantly, Gallagher was once a member of Fianna Fail (gasp, horror) and delivered a donor's cheque to HQ. Well, I'm just appalled, I can hear you all screeching.

Personally, I'd prefer if you'd all put the phoney outrage to one side and started carrying your own share of the responsibility for the mess we're in, instead of looking for scapegoats and finding them in a party whose corruption lay in being the most successful at giving you lot what you wanted. Maybe Gallagher is not fit to be president of Ireland, but he's more than fit to be president of its people.

Nice try but - FAIL.

Sponge Bob

RonMexico wrote: »

Nice try but - FAIL.

Plenty of reasons for NOT voting McGuinness, outing Gallagher is a reason to vote FOR McGuinness. So here you go OP

jonniebgood1

Dabhach wrote: »

As somebody who was preparing to vote for Martin McGuinness, I have to say I'm disgusted by his antics over the last couple of days. I expect dirt from Fine Gael people, but when McGuinness lowered himself to the level of a Blueshirt he lost my vote in a heartbeat. What sickens me is that of all the candidates, he's the one with the most questionable past. I never believed his denials about that past; I just didn't care. I was prepared to take him in the full knowledge of that past and the belief that he was instrumental in the changes that have come about in the North.

But not any more. For somebody with his pedigree to dive for the dirt like this takes the kind of hypocricy rarely seen outside of a Fine Gael Ard Fheis. By God, the Shinners have really joined the 'democratic process' with a vengence. And what is it they're aeriated about? Apparantly, Gallagher was once a member of Fianna Fail (gasp, horror) and delivered a donor's cheque to HQ. Well, I'm just appalled, I can hear you all screeching.

Personally, I'd prefer if you'd all put the phoney outrage to one side and started carrying your own share of the responsibility for the mess we're in, instead of looking for scapegoats and finding them in a party whose corruption lay in being the most successful at giving you lot what you wanted. Maybe Gallagher is not fit to be president of Ireland, but he's more than fit to be president of its people.

I agree. People cannot seem to see through their rage at SG to understand this. I was'nt going to vote SF but this has cost them any chance of a transfer. International peacemaker! The self importance of this petty little man was the most surprising thing.

fishy fishy

jonniebgood1 wrote: »

I agree. People cannot seem to see through their rage at SG to understand this. I was'nt going to vote SF but this has cost them any chance of a transfer. International peacemaker! The self importance of this petty little man was the most surprising thing.

I think its' Michael D that needs to the box to stand on - MMG is, in fact, the tallest of the lot of them.

anymore

Dabhach wrote: »

As somebody who was preparing to vote for Martin McGuinness, I have to say I'm disgusted by his antics over the last couple of days. I expect dirt from Fine Gael people, but when McGuinness lowered himself to the level of a Blueshirt he lost my vote in a heartbeat. What sickens me is that of all the candidates, he's the one with the most questionable past. I never believed his denials about that past; I just didn't care. I was prepared to take him in the full knowledge of that past and the belief that he was instrumental in the changes that have come about in the North.

But not any more. For somebody with his pedigree to dive for the dirt like this takes the kind of hypocricy rarely seen outside of a Fine Gael Ard Fheis. By God, the Shinners have really joined the 'democratic process' with a vengence. And what is it they're aeriated about? Apparantly, Gallagher was once a member of Fianna Fail (gasp, horror) and delivered a donor's cheque to HQ. Well, I'm just appalled, I can hear you all screeching.

Personally, I'd prefer if you'd all put the phoney outrage to one side and started carrying your own share of the responsibility for the mess we're in, instead of looking for scapegoats and finding them in a party whose corruption lay in being the most successful at giving you lot what you wanted. Maybe Gallagher is not fit to be president of Ireland, but he's more than fit to be president of its people.

Yes but do you really think your own opinion of one candidate merits a thread all of its own ? I mean we have had laods of threads on MGM ?

toxicity234

Dabhach wrote: »

As somebody who was preparing to vote for Martin McGuinness, I have to say I'm disgusted by his antics over the last couple of days. I expect dirt from Fine Gael people, but when McGuinness lowered himself to the level of a Blueshirt he lost my vote in a heartbeat. What sickens me is that of all the candidates, he's the one with the most questionable past. I never believed his denials about that past; I just didn't care. I was prepared to take him in the full knowledge of that past and the belief that he was instrumental in the changes that have come about in the North.

But not any more. For somebody with his pedigree to dive for the dirt like this takes the kind of hypocricy rarely seen outside of a Fine Gael Ard Fheis. By God, the Shinners have really joined the 'democratic process' with a vengence. And what is it they're aeriated about? Apparantly, Gallagher was once a member of Fianna Fail (gasp, horror) and delivered a donor's cheque to HQ. Well, I'm just appalled, I can hear you all screeching.

Personally, I'd prefer if you'd all put the phoney outrage to one side and started carrying your own share of the responsibility for the mess we're in, instead of looking for scapegoats and finding them in a party whose corruption lay in being the most successful at giving you lot what you wanted. Maybe Gallagher is not fit to be president of Ireland, but he's more than fit to be president of its people.

Firstly I’m Voting for MDH.
but I agree with what your saying. I have being impressed with the way Gallagher has handily himself.
He hasn't being drawing into the Negative campaigning that some of the other candidates have resorted to.
A lot of people are saying that Gallagher look nervous about being accused on live TV, Is very true but that only shows he is human.
I would be nervous about having accused of anything in front of 700,000 People.

fishy fishy

toxicity234 wrote: »

Firstly I’m Voting for MDH.
but I agree with what your saying. I have being impressed with the way Gallagher has handily himself.
He hasn't being drawing into the Negative campaigning that some of the other candidates have resorted to.
A lot of people are saying that Gallagher look nervous about being accused on live TV, Is very true but that only shows he is human.
I would be nervous about having accused of anything in front of 700,000 People.

the only reason he was spouting about "negative campaigning" was to cover his own a*se. However it backfired. :D

Snakeblood

toxicity234 wrote: »

Firstly I’m Voting for MDH.
but I agree with what your saying. I have being impressed with the way Gallagher has handily himself.
He hasn't being drawing into the Negative campaigning that some of the other candidates have resorted to.
A lot of people are saying that Gallagher look nervous about being accused on live TV, Is very true but that only shows he is human.
I would be nervous about having accused of anything in front of 700,000 People.

Were you impressed with him not ringing in for the scheduled radio interview and claiming he didn't have a mobile phone? That impressed me. Or accusations of a conspiracy against him? Or his refusal to say whether he's still a member of Fianna Fail? Or his constant backtracking in the media as a whole over the length and extent of his connection to Fianna Fail?

you can be a member of Fianna Fail, but if you want to be president you should have the nerve to answer questions honestly and fully about your past. Dana is more suitable to be president and she got a whupping with the crazy stick.