purebred angus

charityboy

am thinking of getting in to a few purebred angus cows ,they seem to be low cost with a good market for bull both dairy and beef ,what i need to know is there a particular type of angus that people would be looking for , i know everybody has their own prefences and also what sort of money would good incalf or maiden heifers be making wouldnt mind spending a bit extra for the right type as i would only be starting with a few as a hobby with the hope of building up a small herd of purebreeds,also could purebred angus be outwintered on dry land ,would have sheds to put them in if the weather really turned nasty but i have outwintered xbreed angus and they were super cattle in the spring ,just wondering would the purebreds be a little softer

whelan1

we have them over 20 years. Real hardy animals... we have canadian angus

Bizzum

whelan1 wrote: »

we have them over 20 years. Real hardy animals... we have canadian angus

From an Angus breeders point of view, what are the thoughts on the red Angus?

whelan1

i really dont mind them but wouldnt use them:) my dad bought in 3 heifers from the rainbowhills herd in canada in 1988. we now have 50 altogether:)

Bizzum

whelan1 wrote: »

i really dont mind them but wouldnt use them:) my dad bought in 3 heifers from the rainbowhills herd in canada in 1988. we now have 50 altogether:)

I remember Rainbowhills Independent (RHD) in Enfield.

whelan1

Bizzum wrote: »

I remember Rainbowhills Independent (RHD) in Enfield.

do you remember priestown jupiter andpriestown tornado ptj and ptn?:D

Bizzum

whelan1 wrote: »

do you remember priestown jupiter andpriestown tornado ptj and ptn?:D

Oh I do..........Well. I just didn't want to name drop too much:D.
Ptj isn't long gone if gone at all?

whelan1

they where our bulls:o

Bizzum

whelan1 wrote: »

they where our bulls:o

I know that.

wiggy123

i have a mix--some irish+candain bloodlines in some of my females..
potenital customers i find, ie dairy men! want a easy calving angus.. with gd conformation..as there cows will bring in the height to the offspring..
elite sale in december--carrick on shannon..go there!! fine gd females.. will pay a few bob now for them!!
also if i was you--i'd go the ai route!
they are a hardy breed....old problem i find is keeping weigh of them..ie get fat easily

case 5150

many lads still breeding the traditional angus?

wiggy123

there is..can be still got.. ai wise also...

case 5150

i lukin for a traditional angus ta mop up friesian heifers next summer, lukin ou for 1 so if you know a good bull for sale or breeder pm me

blue5000

case 5150 wrote: »

many lads still breeding the traditional angus?

There must be a few still in Leitreim/Cavan area, Maybe Bird's in Trim, possibly Ryal's in Wattergrasshill, Co Cork.

wiggy123

will do case!!

true.. birds have traditional breeding!
john mc enroe hav some also
website link below

www.lissaberdeenangus.com

charityboy

whats the difference between canidan angus and traditional angus ,i know size would be a factor what would be a rough baa park figure for heifers

Ford4000

Interested in this also as i had a couple of xbred angus cows but they both went horribly wrong on me this yr, still would love to try and get into a small herd of good angus cows not necessarily purebred

charityboy

well ford in what way did they go wrong

whelan1

traditional angus are butty cattle canadian angus are much growthier animals, our cows are massive

wiggy123

agree.. traditional type are mayb butty..smaller head--squarer cattle!
candian to me, can be like a black limousin--head wise! also have height...

traditional be more easier to keep!
mix both--and you have a gd female or bull

bee_keeper

hello there

was wondering if it would make more sense to rear angus as bulls for finishing around 14 - 16 mths instead of selling them as weanlings where they look inferior compared to the continentals

surely its better to spend 250 euro on meal per bull than getting 800 in the mart for weanlings ?

wiggy123

depends on the angus.. if growthy enough.. be worth while... they will kill/grade well i'm sure.. prob not get the big figures like the char/lim etc.. put get enough..

bee_keeper

wiggy123 wrote: »

depends on the angus.. if growthy enough.. be worth while... they will kill/grade well i'm sure.. prob not get the big figures like the char/lim etc.. put get enough..

i know they wont come into the same colour of money as charolais or limousin , im just making the point that as angus struggles to compete against the bigger breeds in the weanling sales and the fact that they are easy finished , are they not best suited to a calf to beef system in order to maximise returns ?

what kind of money would a 16 mth old angus bull make in the factory right now with prices at 4.25 per kg

PatQfarmer

We bucket-rear and find the AAxFR hfrs that we tend to buy to be hardy, wean easily, thrive on little or no grass(this Spring in partic!), clean paddocks out well, finish early/cheaply and easy to handle. A great breed...and no de-horning:)

bee_keeper

PatQfarmer wrote: »

We bucket-rear and find the AAxFR hfrs that we tend to buy to be hardy, wean easily, thrive on little or no grass(this Spring in partic!), clean paddocks out well, finish early/cheaply and easy to handle. A great breed...and no de-horning:)

what kind of money are they coming into in the factory

PatQfarmer

bee_keeper wrote: »

what kind of money are they coming into in the factory

This Spring, 16/17months=€1450avg. Can't remember the details, but that was outwintered on little meal. They did clean me out of grass though...been chasing my tail since:D

bee_keeper

PatQfarmer wrote: »

This Spring, 16/17months=€1450avg. Can't remember the details, but that was outwintered on little meal. They did clean me out of grass though...been chasing my tail since:D

fantastic money for half breds

PatQfarmer

bee_keeper wrote: »

fantastic money for half breds

I know:D:D:D
I would have to say that the year that's in it helped. Fantastic winter outside. Great prices freely available.
I hope it can be repeated this coming year, although I will be wintering more...and indoors. Still, that plan may change too:rolleyes:

Tipp Man

PatQfarmer wrote: »

This Spring, 16/17months=€1450avg. Can't remember the details, but that was outwintered on little meal. They did clean me out of grass though...been chasing my tail since:D

That's a good system that you have there - not many making more money out of cattle than this i'd say

Manoffeeling

PatQfarmer wrote: »

This Spring, 16/17months=€1450avg. Can't remember the details, but that was outwintered on little meal. They did clean me out of grass though...been chasing my tail since:D

That sounds impressive and well done. How do you think your system would compare to sucklers? I am starting back to farm, but am in a love triangle between sucklers and bucket feed!!!! The sucklers look better of a fine day, but the bucket fed stock might make the accountant happier!!! Well done again

PatQfarmer

Manoffeeling wrote: »

That sounds impressive and well done. How do you think your system would compare to sucklers? I am starting back to farm, but am in a love triangle between sucklers and bucket feed!!!! The sucklers look better of a fine day, but the bucket fed stock might make the accountant happier!!! Well done again

We are part-time, so if the job (property!) picks up, I needed to be able to "turn off the farm" at short notice.
I'd say the sucklers are a much longer-term proposition. Bucket-rearing gives you a return as soon as 7-10 months, but best to go all the way to slaughter, generally.
You can carry more saleable stock, so margin per ha should be higher. Calves are not hard, if you take care of them and have functional housing.
This year was a freak, margins not normally as good, but then we had to give a good bit of it back to buy in again:rolleyes:

PatQfarmer

PatQfarmer wrote: »

This Spring, 16/17months=€1450avg. Can't remember the details, but that was outwintered on little meal. They did clean me out of grass though...been chasing my tail since:D

just wondering are the margins the same in todays market?