Cost of fitting spots/downlighters in kitchen

blass

We are having some work done in our Kitchen and I was wondering how much would it typically cost to supply and fit 12 spotlights in the ceiling Thanks in advance.

evosteo

depending on a few things i reckon around the 250-350+ mark

FMartinp

blass wrote: »

We are having some work done in our Kitchen and I was wondering how much would it typically cost to supply and fit 12 spotlights in the ceiling Thanks in advance.

You'll buy the necessary materials for about €70 providing they are not led and then it just depends on the labour cost.

Bruthal

evosteo wrote: »

depending on a few things i reckon around the 250-350+ mark

I wouldnt say thats too far out.

Bruthal

FMartinp wrote: »

You'll buy the necessary materials for about €70 providing they are not led and then it just depends on the labour cost.

Paddy147 will be along soon to recommend the LED ones, and he is probably right, i think id put them in if i get around to putting spots in here.

evosteo

12 spots should really be on 2 circuits too (2 rows of 6 maybe) as 10 is the max on 1 circuit so running cables back to the board has to be taking into consideration and this would drive the price up even further as depending on the location of the spots to the consumer unit either the ceiling or floor board would have to be accessed

Bruthal

I wouldnt of counted the 12 spots as 12 actual lights on a circuit myself. 10 switched points i would say is what is meant by 10 lights on the circuit. I think myself these days it should be per room really, as in maybe 3 rooms per circuit for example.

evosteo

wow i really thought it was common practice to have a maximum of 10 lighting points on 1 circuit

so what your saying is you can have more than 10 lights on 1 circuit once its limited to 3 rooms max and under 6-10 amp load?

Bruthal

evosteo wrote: »

wow i really thought it was common practice to have a maximum of 10 lighting points on 1 circuit

so what your saying is you can have more than 10 lights on 1 circuit once its limited to 3 rooms max and under 6-10 amp load?

My 3 rooms was just an example, to show its probably better to go per rooms than per light fitting possibly. The 10 lights rule is from when houses would be wired with one light in each room, and so could in effect be 10 rooms, but upstairs and downstairs would be a circuit each. I think this was discussed before here.

So i would say the 10 lights is 10 switch points. Some living rooms for example could have a fitting with 5 bulbs, but that would still just be 1 lighting point.

Because its a 1.5 circuit, a 10 amp would be the norm. So within 10 switch points and 10 amps.

M cebee

ya the old 10 light rule is gone

evosteo

is there a section/ guideline in the etci in regards to this,

mceebe how long ago did this change take place?

M cebee

Id say it went out with the 4th ed

blass

evosteo wrote: »

depending on a few things i reckon around the 250-350+ mark

wow. I was quoted EUR 75 per spotlight i.e. EUR 1050 to fit 12 leds.
Thanks to everyone for replying.

M cebee

id say about 6-700 tops depending on bulbs fittings air tightness etc

paddymick

blass wrote: »

wow. I was quoted EUR 75 per spotlight i.e. EUR 1050 to fit 12 leds.
Thanks to everyone for replying.

Maybe 5 years ago you would get away with that price I dont think so today...But then again retro fitting spot lights in a finished house especially down stairs can be a major pain to do without causing alot of damage to ceilings that have to be filled and painted or ripping up floors to try get access from above.

pyromania

FMartinp wrote: »

You'll buy the necessary materials for about €70 providing they are not led and then it just depends on the labour cost.

70euro for 12 spotlights ,cable etc where you buying them

evosteo

blass wrote: »

wow. I was quoted EUR 75 per spotlight i.e. EUR 1050 to fit 12 leds.
Thanks to everyone for replying.

get a couple of quotes maybe 5 for this job but dont take the cheapest and dont tell them what you have already been quoted

u should take the middle quote as you will get a good quality job done for a good price

mazthespark

i recently put 6 more spots in an already finished house was nearly half a day! and the ceilings were counterbattened!! if its just joists you could be well screwed or have a lot of holes in your ceiling especially if there is no access above! by the time you measure out and place them all trying your best to avoid obstacles your time doesnt be long getting eaten up.

Posy

What's the difference between LED downlights and 'normal' ones?

.G.

Much cheaper to run 3w or 4w as opposed to 50w per lamp,they dont get hot so you can cover them with insulation and they last much longer,usually a 15 year warranty with the good brands.

on the downside they are dearer to buy in the first instance and some people dont like the light they give off but that problem has largely been addressed these days.I have 4w LED's in my house and they are great.

Bruthal

superg wrote: »

Much cheaper to run 3w or 4w as opposed to 50w per lamp,they dont get hot so you can cover them with insulation and they last much longer,usually a 15 year warranty with the good brands.

on the downside they are dearer to buy in the first instance and some people dont like the light they give off but that problem has largely been addressed these days.I have 4w LED's in my house and they are great.

There is a lot to be said for no roasting hot fittings, and far lower running costs alright.

2011

blass wrote: »

We are having some work done in our Kitchen and I was wondering how much would it typically cost to supply and fit 12 spotlights in the ceiling Thanks in advance.

I would think that €60 per light to supply, install and certify would be a minimum fair price. This price would increase depending on complexity, type of light fitting etc. I would think that an electrical contractor charging less would do his business harm in the long run.

On a different note, I would think that 12 down lighters is excessive for all but the largest of kitchens. I feel that this would give your kitchen a very "nineties look" and date your house. Less down lighters more strategically placed look far better in my opinion. I do not claim to be a lighting expert, but I did work closely with a talented lighting designer for a short time. Although I doubted him at first I learnt that his more minimalist approach and more precise positioning not only provided sufficient lighting where it was needed, but looked far better, cost less to install and used less electricity. That is from my own experience, I am sure others will have opposing views.

I would also add that once holes are drilled for down lighters it is not so easy to get rid of them!
It could be wired in such a way that additional lights could be added with a minimum of fuss.

freddyuk

LED's do get hot and having circuitry do not like being overheated. Otherwise they beat all the options by a fair way and as it is new developing technology they will be improving on a monthly basis almost.There is news of an LED equivalent to a 100watt incandescent so very soon there will be no alternative. Don't forget CFL bulbs have mercury in them so they are actually potentially quite deadly.

This is a useful link which gives useful information for comparisons

http://www.designrecycleinc.com/led%20comp%20chart.html

FMartinp

pyromania wrote: »

FMartinp wrote: »

You'll buy the necessary materials for about €70 providing they are not led and then it just depends on the labour cost.

70euro for 12 spotlights ,cable etc where you buying them

Wouldn't include the cable as your spark will have this That new Wholesaler in Santry will have them. Trade Electric in the old ToReilly building.

M cebee

depends

if you're fitting fire rated you wont get them for that

and who wants 12 halogens these days

paddy147

freddyuk wrote: »

LED's do get hot and having circuitry do not like being overheated.

Well the LED GU10s that I use do not get hot at all.

And I cant state this 100% as I have held them in my hand,while fully illuminated and they barely get warm,if youcan even call it warm.

They are fully dimmable and well designed too.:)