gallagher and his employing record

fishy fishy

brag brag brag about what an entrepeneur he is - he created employment for 130 people. there is only 20 working now.

if bill cullen had him on his show he would fire him

wot a waffler - must be a ff thing:D

maxer68

From 1984 to 1998 I was out of Ireland, in 1999 I returned & I employed 5 people, in 2004 I employed 35+ people in 2006 I went bust, in 2007 I got up and started again, by Christmas 2011 I will be employing 20+ people and damn hope profits will match the growth.
30% of my business is now export and I learnt a lot of lessons from going bust.

that's business for you.

Pity there are not more risk takers - but because you ebb and flow with the tide its thrown against you by far too many.

RubyRoss

Maxer, I think the scorn is for Gallagher passing himself off as high-flyer rather than for those who set up a business.

RTE and the hyperbole of Dragon's Den should take some criticism here because most of us were under the impression that the dragons were in the league of making millions - Gallagher certainly feed off that image....a bit like the developers.

Ozymandius2011

He also said that the vast majority of businesses in this country employ 10 or fewer people. That puts a different perspective on things. Small businesses are the lifeblood of the economy and in a recession, of course his businesses and employment were going to be hit.

maxer68

RubyRoss wrote: »

Maxer, I think the scorn is for Gallagher passing himself off as high-flyer rather than for those who set up a business.

RTE and the hyperbole of Dragon's Den should take some criticism here because most of us were under the impression that the dragons were in the league of making millions - Gallagher certainly feed off that image....a bit like the developers.

I don't think he ever passed himself off as a highflyer - successful, yes, but not highflyer.

As for Dragon's Den, I know one of the other Dragons personally and once I knew he was in it, I knew it was an entertainment programme and not a real business programme. - The one thing that has come from the likes of Dragons Den is to show potential entrenpreneurs that it is not an easy job and you need a lot more cash than you ever thought you'd need. But it can be verry satisfying if you're one of the lucky ones to do very well.

fishy fishy

maxer68 wrote: »

From 1984 to 1998 I was out of Ireland, in 1999 I returned & I employed 5 people, in 2004 I employed 35+ people in 2006 I went bust, in 2007 I got up and started again, by Christmas 2011 I will be employing 20+ people and damn hope profits will match the growth.
30% of my business is now export and I learnt a lot of lessons from going bust.

that's business for you.

Pity there are not more risk takers - but because you ebb and flow with the tide its thrown against you by far too many.

thats lovely for you. however SG has been bragging about what a brilliant business man he is - he cannot even put cheques in the proper account for goodness sake - smokescreens and lies - :D

jonniebgood1

fishy fishy wrote: »

brag brag brag about what an entrepeneur he is - he created employment for 130 people. there is only 20 working now.

if bill cullen had him on his show he would fire him

wot a waffler - must be a ff thing:D

only 20???

How many do you employ?

maxer68

fishy fishy wrote: »

if bill cullen had him on his show he would fire him

How many did Bill Cullen and his various companies employ at the height of the boom?

How many does he employ now?

As he's primarily in the motor trade (originally from a lucky break & fair play to him), my guess would be about 70% less. And there's nothing wrong with that becasue he's still in business.

If Bill Cullen, Sean Gallagher or anyone else in business decided that they would not cut jobs in their businesses when the sector turns down, they would be considered dreadful business people and would be bust at this stage. - and then the naysayers would batter then=m for NOT taking corrective action.

Anyway - Bookies have cut Gallaghers odds againa nd both he and Michael Twee are neck and neck. - And Michael D wouldn't be a bad president either.

Colours

jonniebgood1 wrote: »

only 20???

How many do you employ?

Jonniebgood did you hear the bit where Michael D Higgins said he created THOUSANDS of jobs with the initiatives he set up when he was Minister for the Arts, Culture and the Gaeltacht?

And remember you said that you thought Michael D Higgins is too old for the job? Well how do you reconcile that with the fact that Eamon De Valera who was founder member of your precious Fianna Fail party - was in his seventies when he commenced the post of President and ninety when his second term finished?

I too thought David Norris performed brilliantly in last night's debate and I particularly liked when he said that Sean Gallagher had some neck in constantly identifying himself with the ordinary plasters and plumbers of Ireland when his own company brought in 7 million euro in 2007 while in 2008 himself and his business partner wrote themselves a cheque for €800,000. David Norris said that he knows of no plasterer or plumber who makes anything near this kind of money in their trade and that he found it a bit much to take.

I agree entirely with David Norris there as I too find Sean Gallagher a bit too much to take. I was also listening to the community activist Rita Fagan from Inchicore on Vincent Browne who said that she had no knowledge of Sean Gallagher ever doing anything for her community groups or others which she knew of. She also reminded people that after the last Fianna Fail budget funding was withdrawn from many community projects which had adversely affected them massively. Perhaps Gallagher could write them a cheque for a million euro out of his own funds to keep them going seeing as communities and youth groups are so close to his heart. That would be putting his money where his big mouth is.

Snakeblood

maxer68 wrote: »

I don't think he ever passed himself off as a highflyer - successful, yes, but not highflyer.

As for Dragon's Den, I know one of the other Dragons personally and once I knew he was in it, I knew it was an entertainment programme and not a real business programme. - The one thing that has come from the likes of Dragons Den is to show potential entrenpreneurs that it is not an easy job and you need a lot more cash than you ever thought you'd need. But it can be verry satisfying if you're one of the lucky ones to do very well.

I think if you are presenting a faux reality program where you are an important business leader who invests in startups, you are presenting yourself as a highflyer.

LLU

Colours wrote: »

Jonniebgood did you hear the bit where Michael D Higgins said he created THOUSANDS of jobs with the initiatives he set up when he was minister for the arts and enterprise?

And remember you said that you thought Michael D Higgins is too old for the job? Well how do you reconcile that with the fact that Eamon De Valera who was founder member of your precious Fianna Fail party - was in his seventies when he commenced the post of President and ninety when his second term finished?

I too thought David Norris performed brilliantly in last night's debate and I particularly liked when he said that Sean Gallagher had some neck in constantly identifying himself with the ordinary plasters and plumbers of Ireland when his own company brought in 7 million euro in 2007 while in 2008 himself and his business partner wrote themselves a cheque for €800,000. David Norris said that he knows of no plasterer or plumber who makes anything near this kind of money in their trade and that he found it a bit much to take.

I agree entirely with David Norris there as I too find Sean Gallagher a bit too much to take as well. I was also listening to the community activist Rita Fagan from Inchicore who said that she had no knowledge of Sean Gallagher doing anything for her community groups or others which she knew of. She also reminded people that after the last Fianna Fail budget funding was withdrawn from many community projects which had adversely affected them massively. Perhaps Gallagher could write them a cheque for a million euro out of his own funds to keep them going seeing as communities and youth groups are so close to his heart. That would be putting his money where his big mouth is.

but isn't that a bit rich coming from the man who claimed disability pay from Trinity for 16 years despite apparently being well enough to be a full time senator complete with its generous salary?

takamichinoku

maxer68 wrote: »

From 1984 to 1998 I was out of Ireland, in 1999 I returned & I employed 5 people, in 2004 I employed 35+ people in 2006 I went bust, in 2007 I got up and started again, by Christmas 2011 I will be employing 20+ people and damn hope profits will match the growth.
30% of my business is now export and I learnt a lot of lessons from going bust.

that's business for you.

Pity there are not more risk takers - but because you ebb and flow with the tide its thrown against you by far too many.

What makes Gallagher a better president than you'd be?

Colours

LLU wrote: »

but isn't that a bit rich coming from the man who claimed disability pay from Trinity for 16 years despite apparently being well enough to be a full time senator complete with its generous salary?

Not really LLU no I don't think it is. David Norris explained about claiming this benefit which was as a result of contracting Hepatitis years ago and the fact that he was claiming this was found to be perfectly legitimate and above board. He wasn't trying to hoodwink or deceive anyone. As David Norris says himself, his track record is an "open book" and he has not done anything to try to deceive people. I personally think that he didn't show good judgement in how he handled the controversy surrounding those letters of clemency as I think it would have been far more effective if he had dealt with the matter head on and not gone down the road of bringing lawyers into it. If anything David Norris got himself into hot water for the very reason that he is transparent and speaks from the heart unlike teflon men like Sean Gallagher who speak in cliches and platitudes which ultimate turn out to be a pile of old cobblers.

fishy fishy

jonniebgood1 wrote: »

only 20???

How many do you employ?

stupid retort. :rolleyes:

fishy fishy

Colours wrote: »

Jonniebgood did you hear the bit where Michael D Higgins said he created THOUSANDS of jobs with the initiatives he set up when he was Minister for the Arts, Culture and the Gaeltacht?

And remember you said that you thought Michael D Higgins is too old for the job? Well how do you reconcile that with the fact that Eamon De Valera who was founder member of your precious Fianna Fail party - was in his seventies when he commenced the post of President and ninety when his second term finished?

I too thought David Norris performed brilliantly in last night's debate and I particularly liked when he said that Sean Gallagher had some neck in constantly identifying himself with the ordinary plasters and plumbers of Ireland when his own company brought in 7 million euro in 2007 while in 2008 himself and his business partner wrote themselves a cheque for €800,000. David Norris said that he knows of no plasterer or plumber who makes anything near this kind of money in their trade and that he found it a bit much to take.

I agree entirely with David Norris there as I too find Sean Gallagher a bit too much to take. I was also listening to the community activist Rita Fagan from Inchicore on Vincent Browne who said that she had no knowledge of Sean Gallagher ever doing anything for her community groups or others which she knew of. She also reminded people that after the last Fianna Fail budget funding was withdrawn from many community projects which had adversely affected them massively. Perhaps Gallagher could write them a cheque for a million euro out of his own funds to keep them going seeing as communities and youth groups are so close to his heart. That would be putting his money where his big mouth is.

that would be nice, but he would have to remember which account he has the money in first.

BQQ

jonniebgood1 wrote: »

only 20???

How many do you employ?

It's great that 20 people were employed by him. (not his company anymore)

What's bad is the way he implies that he is currently employing over 100 people, which is not true.

maxer68

Colours wrote: »

he said that Sean Gallagher had some neck in constantly identifying himself with the ordinary plasters and plumbers of Ireland when his own company brought in 7 million euro in 2007 while in 2008 himself and his business partner wrote themselves a cheque for €800,000. David Norris said that he knows of no plasterer or plumber who makes anything near this kind of money in their trade and that he found it a bit much to take.

problem with Norris and others regarding this is they read the hysterical anti gallagher headline but not the substance.

800k was apid out between the 2 directors over a 2 year period and included rent for a substantial premises and patent income.

actual salary was about 130k - less than davis was getting from a charity for prancing about the place.

BlackrockBeach

maxer68 wrote: »

I don't think he ever passed himself off as a highflyer - successful, yes, but not highflyer.

As for Dragon's Den, I know one of the other Dragons personally and once I knew he was in it, I knew it was an entertainment programme and not a real business programme. - The one thing that has come from the likes of Dragons Den is to show potential entrenpreneurs that it is not an easy job and you need a lot more cash than you ever thought you'd need. But it can be verry satisfying if you're one of the lucky ones to do very well.

Im a politcal agnostic but "Let Me explain..."this is Gallaghers opening line on everthing he says but then goes on to spin spin and spin .. just take the Smarthomes debacle...
35 people in BES scheme high & dry - converted in worthless equity, IP/ patents contrary to prospectus..taken out of company...96,000 in roylaties...rent of building to SG at huge premium over market rates..excessive salary all crippled the company. Money losing money hand over fist and SG promises to protect company but then jumps ship but stays as "advisor" + "mentor". Technical "accountancy procedures" in Beachhouse. Good help the company if he charges the company his normal 500 euro/hr. All the Middle East contract stories are hot air....much like SG. Talk of a 1.6m investment in Smarthomes is BS not BES. No clear answers even if he mentions 2000 helpers but cant answer a few simple questions in over a week of asking by Irish Times, Vincent Browne. SG is the definition of negativity eminating from his FF DNA....

HellFireClub

maxer68 wrote: »

From 1984 to 1998 I was out of Ireland, in 1999 I returned & I employed 5 people, in 2004 I employed 35+ people in 2006 I went bust, in 2007 I got up and started again, by Christmas 2011 I will be employing 20+ people and damn hope profits will match the growth.
30% of my business is now export and I learnt a lot of lessons from going bust.

that's business for you.

Pity there are not more risk takers - but because you ebb and flow with the tide its thrown against you by far too many.

Did you get 700K in Enterprise Ireland funding though, and get a loan from the same County Enterprise Board that you had previously been sitting on for four years after being appointed to the board in an arbitary manner by a politician?!?

No, and neither did I, I had to break my arse for what I have and even for a 1K loan from the above waffling shops, I had the door slammed in my face. Maybe if I had been a Fianna Fail Trouserman I might have enjoyed a different outcome entirely, if I had been taking hundreds of thousands of Euro out of my business as I was getting the taxpayer to put 700K back in to fill what I was taking out.

This isn't entrepreneurism, this is absolute bullsh*t. We could all run brilliant businesses and be on Dragon's Den if we had this kind of state backing for f*cks sake.

This is absolute f*cking rubbish and needs to be investigated, how come a blind eye was turned to massive losses and outgoings from a company as the taxpayer was pumping in 700K of taxpayers money. Of course we'll know what we'll be told if it ever was investigated, "there were systems failures", "failures of oversight", "the proper systems are now in place", etc, etc, as some civil servant close to retirement will be handed another million Euro retirement handshake to vacate their office 6 months earlier than scheduled...

Nothing will ever change in this country.

Ozymandius2011

When Norris attacks Gallagher it's "witty", but when SG fights back it's "fighting dirty" (Independent).

sparkling sea

Ozymandius2011 wrote: »

When Norris attacks Gallagher it's "witty", but when SG fights back it's "fighting dirty" (Independent).

Norris is witty no denying that