Alive "Newspaper" Criticises "Western Agenda" in Africa

TylerIE

West exploits poor to impose leftwing agenda

WESTERN governments are using much needed aid in order to impose their own leftwing “values” on vulnerable peoples in the third world.

In dealing with Malawi, Western officials have revealed their callous indifference to the suffering of the world’s poorest people,
as they seek to advance a secularist ideology.

This year, for example, the Obama administration cancelled $350 million dollars
of aid to Malawi, one of the world’s poorest countries, in a bid to force it to accept the homosexual agenda.

The country’s people, many of them threatened by cholera, desperately need food, clean water and basic health care, while only 7% of Malawians have regular access to electricity, a major obstacle to economic growth.

Given such corrupt pressure and the needs of its people, the African government buckled and repealed the law against homosexual behaviour.

‘Absurd’

“We cannot run away from the fact that we need their aid, but it is absurd for those countries to be forcing the country to embrace immoral cultures,” complained Dr. H.M. Ntaba, a top advisor to Malawi’s president.

“We are a sovereign state and we deserve to be treated as
such, aid or no aid.”

Recently Germany decided to withhold half of the $33 million in foreign aid promised to Malawi because, yet again, of the homosexuality agenda and restrictions on press freedom.
Media reports indicate that the Global Fund has also rejected Malawi’s application for $560 million, again due to its laws regarding homosexual acts.
These policies deny impoverished men, women and children their most fundamental human rights, while pushing a Western leftwing agenda.

Yet no international rights treaty mentions sexual attraction or covers sexual behaviour.

Source - see page 2.

Isnt it awful that the developed world attempt to make sure that gay men and lesbians are not imprisoned or killed for simply being gay or lesbian?

Poor President Bingu in Malawi wont have money for his hummers and helicopters.

jaffacakesyum

Hmmm....obviously a big part of me is delighted that they've changed their homosexuality agenda (even if they didn't want to), because what was going on there was horrific.

At the same time, I don't think it's right to blackmail a country in need into changing its policies. Just because it's a policy (i.e. equal* homosexual rights) that I agree with, doesn't make it right.


*Well, doubt they will have equality but at least they will stop imprisoning/murdering them :rolleyes: :mad:

TylerIE

jaffacakesyum wrote: »

Hmmm....obviously a big part of me is delighted that they've changed their homosexuality agenda (even if they didn't want to), because what was going on there was horrific.

At the same time, I don't think it's right to blackmail a country in need into changing its policies. Just because it's a policy (i.e. equal* homosexual rights) that I agree with, doesn't make it right.


*Well, doubt they will have equality but at least they will stop imprisoning/murdering them :rolleyes: :mad:

I dont think the relevant Western governments were looking for equal rights - its just looking for an end to torture and inhuman treatment. Just like they would for Christians in Muslim Countries and for Whites in Zimbabwe etc... simple human rights like the right to life. Surely its acceptable for a country to insist that another country which it assists is not abusing its citizens?

Notwithstanding that, I have no doubt that LGBT Human Rights abuses are far from the only reason Malawi had aid dropped. Yet the radical right in Irish will like to cite that as the reason.

Killer Pigeon

Did Alive magazine just implicitly condone the execution of gay people? How Christian of them.

My Thor and all the gods in Valhalla, does anyone actually take this newspaper seriously anymore?

Also, lol @ "Homosexual Agenda". Have they every heard of "human rights"?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r38x6mHfnwU

Killer Pigeon

TylerIE wrote: »

I dont think the relevant Western governments were looking for equal rights - its just looking for an end to torture and inhuman treatment. Just like they would for Christians in Muslim Countries and for Whites in Zimbabwe etc... simple human rights like the right to life. Surely its acceptable for a country to insist that another country which it assists is not abusing its citizens?

Notwithstanding that, I have no doubt that LGBT Human Rights abuses are far from the only reason Malawi had aid dropped. Yet the radical right in Irish will like to cite that as the reason.

I think it's important for the LGBT community in Ireland to make sure that Alive! Magazine goes bankrupt. It's only reestablishing sick and twisted homophobic views, it's even condoning the execution of gay people. This isn't about them having the right to freedom of speech anymore, this is about them trying to infringe the rights of gay people in Ireland. AM is being completely unreasonable.

TylerIE

Killer Pigeon wrote: »

Did Alive magazine just implicitly condone the execution of gay people? How Christian of them.

My Thor and all the gods in Valhalla, does anyone actually take this newspaper seriously anymore?

Also, lol @ "Homosexual Agenda". Have they every heard of "human rights"?

Quite frankly yes I think they did seem to say that the execution of gay and lesbian individuals is ok!

Unfortunately they do have some support - enough to ensure its circulated in many Churches and thousands of homes throughout the country. In many of the local Churches its individuals who deposit it in the Church, not the Priest. They also seem to get enough donations to keep going, and their editor is a priest.

Killer Pigeon

TylerIE wrote: »

Quite frankly yes I think they did seem to say that the execution of gay and lesbian individuals is ok!

Unfortunately they do have some support - enough to ensure its circulated in many Churches and thousands of homes throughout the country. In many of the local Churches its individuals who deposit it in the Church, not the Priest. They also seem to get enough donations to keep going, and their editor is a priest.

What's their email address? I suggest everyone on this forum sends them a letter of complaint. Is there any other standards authority we could send a complaint to? I mean it's just downright lunacy, they cannot be allowed get away with that. How dare they shove that sort of tripe into people's postboxes.

TylerIE

Killer Pigeon wrote: »

I think it's important for the LGBT community in Ireland to make sure that Alive! Magazine goes bankrupt. It's only reestablishing sick and twisted homophobic views, it's even condoning the execution of gay people. This isn't about them having the right to freedom of speech anymore, this is about them trying to infringe the rights of gay people in Ireland. AM is being completely unreasonable.

Unfortunately they appear to have only a few advertisers - page 4 and pages 9, 10 and 12 and classifieds on page 14. I imagine page 4 is a trade swap rather than paid ad. page 9 is probably pro bono also.

However in the interest of research & spreading the good news, it may be appropriate for anybody interested (concerned) in their vitriol to visit their local church and collect as many copies as they can for their friends and family (or for fire kindling, animal bedding, or recycling if they find their friends and family not interested).

Killer Pigeon

TylerIE wrote: »

However in the interest of research & spreading the good news, it may be appropriate for anybody interested (concerned) in their vitriol to visit their local church and collect as many copies as they can for their friends and family (or for fire kindling, animal bedding, or recycling if they find their friends and family not interested).

I think my fuel bills will decrease this winter.

baby and crumble

I love that I'm protestant sometimes. My church does things like put a congratulatory piece in GCN for one of our rectors who entered into a civil partnership with his partner.



Although I do agree that Alive! is a shocking newspaper. Used to come in through the door of my last place that I lived. Got short shrift in my house.

rainbow kirby

I tend to think of Alive as being somewhat like The Onion, because it's easier than knowing that some people actually believe the crap in it.

Beruthiel

Alive paper, filled with utter trash and a total waste of trees.

Killer Pigeon

I sent the following to editor@alive.ie

I would encourage people to write a similar email or copy & paste the one below;

Dear Editor,

I'd like to draw attention to an article in the last publication of Alive! Magazine (No. 171 - October 2011). The article in question is on page 2 of the paper, entitled "West exploits poor to impose leftwing agenda".

I found the article deeply offensive and in breech of modern journalistic standards.

In the article, the author (who is not mentioned) criticises the withdrawal of funds, by certain Western governments, to Malawi for its laws on homosexuality.

It perfectly legitimate to question whether or not the withdrawal of funds was an appropriate action but the arguments in the article are completely beyond reasoning.

In Malawi, and other African states such as Uganda, homosexuality is illegal and it is severely punished. In Uganda, one may even be sentenced to death for engaging in homosexual acts. This is a clear violation of human rights.

Beyond what Alive! Magazine believes is moral or immoral, an individual should have the legal right to love whoever they want, either man or woman, as long as they don't hinder the rights of other. People shouldn't have to live under the fear of being imprisoned or executed because of their sexual orientation. Wishfully promoting such a fate on an individual is beyond Christian standards.

Alive! Magazine refers to a "Homosexual Agenda", when they clearly don't understand that members of the LGBT community only want to live their lives in peace and without fear. Legislation shouldn't be brought forward to regulate what LGBT people do in their private lives, as long as it doesn't effect other. The LGBT community aren't hindering the rights of others, in fact it's to the contrary.

I would question, however, if there is a "religious agenda" against the LGBT community that wishes to hinder their rights. Certainly this is what I, personally, felt when reading that article.

I felt as though Alive! Magazine was defending and promoting Malawi's laws on homosexuality and that, by doing so, encouraged such laws elsewhere. To this effect, I felt that Alive! Magazine was promoting the infringement of LGBT rights.

I would like the editor of Alive! Magazine to apologise for allowing such an attack on the LGBT community to be published in it's newspaper, a newspaper that is distributed nationwide. I believe that Alive! Magazine needs to make clear it's opinions on laws against homosexuality, including the punishment of life imprisonment or the death penalty for individuals who have engaged in homosexual acts. Does Alive! Magazine really promote such laws?

If Alive! Magazine believes that it represents the Catholic community in Ireland, it should make these opinions known.


Regards,


<Insert Name>

L1011

You'll get a reply along the lines of "may God have mercy on you" or similar

I succeeded in stopping them delivering their rag to my previous house but they don't appear to reply to my phone calls about this house. Its useful for cleaning the windows, though...

The local Catholic parish puts some rubbish through the door from time to time too but it carries an apology for wasting your time if you're not Catholic, Alive don't even have that courtesy.

TylerIE

This is not the first unashamadely (?sp) anti LGBT article that they have published, but it is perhaps one of the most hateful.

I suggest contacting the Editor, Sponsors and advertisers, and the Dominican Priory if you are upset by this. Id love to publish a list of contact details taken directly from the magazine but dont know if that would be acceptable on boards.

If making contact please do so in as polite a manner as possible - some TDs reported abuse from the LGBT community (and others) over the Civil Partnership bill and David Norris' nomination.

The article is accurate in stating that the US wanted to defend gay men and lesbians (against whom a new law was enacted) but only from imprisonment. They werent seeking to have same sex marriage or adoption legalised. Surely no Christian can really condone the imprisonment for 14 years with hard labour that two gay men were sentenced to last year.

The article also fails to mention that the Germans and Americans were equally concerned about a curtailment of freedoms (Press) in Malawi, or that the government of Malawi was tackling homosexuality with new laws while people were starving? It doesnt mention the inhumane conditions in Malawian prisons? Or the rampant HIV in them? Would the Governments time not have been better spent on securing food for the majority, than imprisoning a minority?

Alopex

They could do with criticising the real western agenda in Africa. Oil and other resources.

Truly unbelievable stuff. Blaming America and Germany for holding back aid instead of the Malawi government for treating some of their citizens like subhumans.

L.Jenkins

Alopex wrote: »

Truly unbelievable stuff. Blaming America and Germany for holding back aid instead of the Malawi government for treating some of their citizens like subhumans.

That's Christian for you :rolleyes: Capable of spinning a situation in such away, that we become the bad guys at the end of it all.

ixoy

I get "Alive" in the door but I never seem to get to read the articles.. It somehow always ends up being stamped, torn, and shredded within five seconds of my seeing it. Odd.

L.Jenkins

I think I've found a practical use for the magazine! Wouldn't want the dog mucking up the floor so I'll shove one under him next time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gFvkr6GBWLw

TylerIE

Alopex wrote: »

They could do with criticising the real western agenda in Africa. Oil and other resources.

Truly unbelievable stuff. Blaming America and Germany for holding back aid instead of the Malawi government for treating some of their citizens like subhumans.

Ye or the Western "Christian" agenda of hundreds of religions each trying to convert people to their own version of Christianity.

Per a representative of a Priest associated to the paper after I tried summerise the article and the actual situation in Malawi:

"I would be surprised because its an excellent paper [I said there was aan inaccurate article that ignores and misrepresents human rights abuses]..... well Christians are abused and tortured in countries like China and [indistinguishable - other country]"... They seemed to think that was justification for whatever happens in Malawi. They kept speaking and didnt want me to acknowledge the issues in China instead just said "I'd have to read it so Im not going to get into an argument, although I feel there must be something else to you" - although not much chance of a discussion or explanation never mind an argument because all they did was keep talking. And there "must be something else to it" - apparently its not enough to just want to speak to a person to draw their attention to a questionable article in a newspaper they are connected with????

nozzferrahhtoo

TylerIE wrote: »

West exploits poor to impose leftwing agenda

Yea because the one thing religions NEVER do is specifically exploit the desperate, the needy and the poor.

L1011

TylerIE wrote: »

I suggest contacting the Editor, Sponsors and advertisers, and the Dominican Priory if you are upset by this. Id love to publish a list of contact details taken directly from the magazine but dont know if that would be acceptable on boards.

The editor endorses what goes in to it, the sponsors are right wing idiots and they have no advertisers at all.

CrystalLettuce

Does "forcing it to accept the homosexual agenda" mean "taking issue with gross human rights abuse and the murder of innocent civilians"? Because I'm thinking it does.

Mark27

I wonder will actions like these make the homosexuals more accepted now, or cause even more resentment towards them..

TylerIE

Mark27 wrote: »

I wonder will actions like these make the homosexuals more accepted now, or cause even more resentment towards them..

Which actions?

Mark27

Blackmailing an african country to accept a way of life that is unnatural to them? Who will feel the wrath of it, the americans or the local gays

TylerIE

Mark27 wrote: »

Blackmailing an african country to accept a way of life that is unnatural to them? Who will feel the wrath of it, the americans or the local gays

Suppose we should just let them continue to imprison any gay men or lesbians they come across, or hang them if they are caught twice. Much better option, just let them do what they want to their citizens.

Especially when its other Americans lobbying for these anti-homosexuality laws in the first place, and often until this anti-gay lobbying started it was essentially a non issue.

Mark27

I suppose the gays should just have to follow the law.

baby and crumble

Mark27 wrote: »

I suppose the gays should just have to follow the law.

What law? As opposed to international human rights laws?

Killer Pigeon

Mark27 wrote: »

I suppose the gays should just have to follow the law.

The following is a transcript from a fictional court case:

Judge: "So you admit that you are a homosexual."

Gay person: "Yes."

Judge: "And you admit to having homosexual relationships."

Gay person: "Yes."

Judge: "The defendant has pleaded guilty, he will be executed in two weeks time. Does the defendant understand?"

Gay person: "Yes. I guess I'll have to accept the fact that I'm am going to be executed for who I am. After all, I have to abide by the law and accept my fate."

??????????????????????

Are you saying that gay people should just stay in the closet or get killed/imprisoned.

TylerIE

Mark27 wrote: »

I suppose the gays should just have to follow the law.

To fully follow the law they would either have to hand themselves in for execution/imprisonment once they realised they were gay? In some of these countries it is an offence to be homosexual and homosexual acts are punished even more gravely.

Mark why do you dislike gay people so much?

TylerIE

Also as an update to the original post one advertiser is no longer with them this month and another wont be buying any more ads with them

goose2005

Mark27 wrote: »

I suppose the gays should just have to follow the law.

Odd that you would be so insistent on gays following the law, when you yourself have been trying to commit welfare fraud. http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=69282724

baby and crumble

goose2005 wrote: »

Odd that you would be so insistent on gays following the law, when you yourself have been trying to commit welfare fraud. http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=69282724

This post made me happier than I probably should be...

TylerIE

goose2005 wrote: »

Odd that you would be so insistent on gays following the law, when you yourself have been trying to commit welfare fraud. http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=69282724

Wow! Good catch! I had noticed a relatively high number of consistently anti-gay posts from someone who had such a low number of posts overall, but didnt pick up on that gem! Odd that he needed his dole to buy "fags" - choosing to kill himself, where as these people just want the right to live without fear of imprisonment / murder just for being gay?

apache

i personally think that people should not be quoting anything from another thread and bringing it up here and encouraging it. you should judge the post - not the poster.

if you're discussing alive magazine - discuss alive magazine.

baby and crumble

If you have any problems with any posts, can I remind you to use the report function. Don't take the thread any more off topic than perhaps it is. Thanks.

apache

you should probably look at your own response to that and have a sit down and think as a mod :rolleyes:

Plautus

It's rather relevant to the matter at hand, if a poster who thinks that gay people should remain closeted so as to uphold the law doesn't have much regard for the law himself. It's the hypocrisy of that position which is being highlighted, with a view also to teasing out a bias against gay people that belies apparent legal probity.

apache

probably best to get back on topic and deal with the thread....

Plautus

Well, as Mark offered an opinion as to the law which Malawi has passed, as covered by Alive (and with whom he seems to agree, at least in part), you could say the thread is still pretty close to the original topic

If you want to defend him you can do that instead of pussy-footing.

apache

i don't defend anyone chicken. i have a problem with other stuff being brought up.
i never said i agreed with him.

continue......

baby and crumble

Seriously, if you have a problem with a post report it and it'll be dealt with, and if it's one of my posts you feel is a problem one of the other mods will check it out. No backseat modding. Thanks.