Is Sean Gallagher an NLP guru?

Slideshowbob

http://www.dbass.ie/blog/bni-tara-evening-with-sean-gallagher/

That would scare me if it was the case!!

mikemac

NLP is not junk science, there is a lot behind it and can be very useful. Can be applied to many situations

What's the issue?

nesf

NLP is pretty discredited at this stage to be honest.

Maud Gaunt

NLP is completely discredited and mores the pity we dont have regulation on Counselling and Psychotherapy in Ireland,though some of its tools seem to work on people who are not aware of the tricks but even these are borrowed .
http://donaldclarkplanb.blogspot.com/2007/03/nlp-no-longer-plausibe.html

Darren Browne uses some of the techniques to manipulate choice, its based on body language etc.Its very manipulative .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=befugtgikMg

NewHillel

Maud Gaunt wrote: »

NLP is completely discredited and mores the pity we dont have regulation on Counselling and Psychotherapy in Ireland,though some of its tools seem to work on people who are not aware of the tricks but even these are borrowed .
http://donaldclarkplanb.blogspot.com/2007/03/nlp-no-longer-plausibe.html

I know very little about NLP, but am friends with a couple of avid proponents. the link above doesn't 'completely discredit' NLP. Or if it does, it also calls into question a number of therapeutic techniques that are still in widespread use

Back on topic...

If Sean is not using NLP he must be using some other technique. How people can reject FF, and still vote for Sean, beggars belief. (Oh, I forgot, he's going get everyone jobs...)

nesf

NewHillel wrote: »

If Sean is not using NLP he must be using some other technique. How people can reject FF, and still vote for Sean, beggars belief. (Oh, I forgot, he's going get everyone jobs...)

It's easy really. He wasn't a sitting politician or anything like that. The hatred has been very clearly focused on the politicians not the overall party. It's easy to see why, most people know someone sane and reasonable who was a FF supporter, you don't want to hate them, you want to hate the faceless politicians you don't ever meet in person.

NewHillel

nesf wrote: »

It's easy really. He wasn't a sitting politician or anything like that. The hatred has been very clearly focused on the politicians not the overall party. It's easy to see why, most people know someone sane and reasonable who was a FF supporter, you don't want to hate them, you want to hate the faceless politicians you don't ever meet in person.

Yeah, well the hatred thing is overdone, anyway. What I can't abide is the way he has tried to walk away from his past and pretend he is something else. On those grounds alone, the people should reject him.

The real problem is the calibre of candidates as a whole...

snow ghost

nesf wrote: »

NLP is pretty discredited at this stage to be honest.

No it isn't - what a ridiculous baseless statement.

snow ghost

Maud Gaunt wrote: »

NLP is completely discredited and mores the pity we dont have regulation on Counselling and Psychotherapy in Ireland,though some of its tools seem to work on people who are not aware of the tricks but even these are borrowed .
http://donaldclarkplanb.blogspot.com/2007/03/nlp-no-longer-plausibe.html

Darren Browne uses some of the techniques to manipulate choice, its based on body language etc.Its very manipulative .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=befugtgikMg

Darren Browne does use some of the techniques it would appear, as does Paul McKenna.

There is nothing to fear about NLP anymore than there is hypnosis - it is all natural and some of Bandler's techniques are highly successful, pragmatic and highly respected in many circles.

If Gallagher does use NLP it is no big deal... maybe he likes to use Bandler's techniques to motivate himself, or to sleep better, or to not eat so much... no big deal there.

nesf

snow ghost wrote: »

No it isn't - what a ridiculous baseless statement.

From wiki:

Empirical validity
In the early 1980s, NLP was hailed as an important advance in psychotherapy and counseling,[13] and attracted some interest in counseling research and clinical psychology. In the mid-1980s, reviews in The Journal of Counseling Psychology[11] and by the National Research Council (1988; NRC) committee[51] found little or no empirical basis for the claims about preferred representational systems (PRS) or assumptions of NLP. In an article published in 2005, psychologist Grant Devilly stated that at the time it was introduced, NLP was heralded as a breakthrough in therapy, and advertisements for training workshops, videos and books began to appear in trade magazines. The workshops provided certification. However, controlled studies shed such a poor light on the practice, and those promoting the intervention made such extreme and changeable claims that researchers began to question the wisdom of researching the area further, suggesting that it was an untestable theory.[13]
The experimental research that does exist was mostly done in the 1980s and 1990s. It consisted of laboratory experimentation testing Bandler and Grinder's hypotheses[31] that a person's preferred sensory mode of thinking can be revealed by observing eye movement cues and sensory predicates in language use.[52] A research review conducted by Christopher Sharpley which focused on preferred representational systems, in 1984,[55] followed by another review in 1987 in response to a critique published by Einspruch and Forman,[56] concluded that there was little evidence for its usefulness as an effective counseling tool. Reviewing the literature in 1988, Michael Heap also concluded that objective and fair investigations had shown no support for NLP claims about "preferred representational systems".[57]
A research committee[51] working for the United States National Research Council led by Daniel Druckman came to two conclusions. First, the committee "found little if any" evidence to support NLP's assumptions or to indicate that it is effective as a strategy for social influence. "It assumes that by tracking another's eye movements and language, an NLP trainer can shape the person's thoughts, feelings, and opinions (Dilts, 1983[58]). There is no scientific support for these assumptions."[10] Secondly, the committee members "were impressed with the modeling approach used to develop the technique. The technique was developed from careful observations of the way three master psychotherapists conducted their sessions, emphasizing imitation of verbal and nonverbal behaviors... This then led the committee to take up the topic of expert modeling in the second phase of its work."(Druckman, 2004)[10] Von Bergen et al. (1997) state that "the most telling commentary on NLP may be that in the latest revision of his text on enhancing human performance, Druckman (Druckman & Bjork 1991) omitted all reference to Neurolinguistic Programming."[9] These studies, in particular Sharpley's literature review, marked a decline in empirical research of NLP, and particularly in matching sensory predicates and its use in counsellor-client relationship in counseling psychology.
NLP practitioners and academics Tosey and Mathison have argued that the experimental approach is not always appropriate for researching NLP, instead proposing that NLP should be researched phenomenologically.[59][60] Gareth Roderique-Davies (2009) stated that "Phenomenological research is free from hypotheses, pre-conceptions and assumptions, and seeks to describe rather than explain. Given the claims made by proponents of NLP, this adds little to the credibility debate and would produce reports concerning the experience from the perspective of the individual rather than confirmation of the claimed efficacy. The fact remains that NLP proponents make specific claims about how NLP works and what it can do and this compels providing evidence to substantiate these claims." He argued that the proposal to conduct phenomenology research using NLP modeling "constitutes an admission that NLP does not have an evidence base and that NLP practitioners are seeking a post-hoc credibility."[61]
[edit]Scientific criticism
Criticism of NLP extends beyond a lack of reliable experimental evidence to support its claimed effectiveness. The title of "neuro-linguistic programming", has been described as pseudo-scientific because the claims, concepts and terminology may appear scientific but are not grounded in scientific research. NLP appeared on a list of discredited psychological interventions in related research that investigates what does not work.
The term "Neuro-linguistic programming" has been characterized as pseudo-scientific. Witkowski (2010) writes that "NLP represents pseudoscientific rubbish, which should be mothballed forever." Roderique-Davies (2009) states that "neuro" in NLP is "effectively fraudulent since NLP offers no explanation at a neuronal level and it could be argued that its use fallaciously feeds into the notion of scientific credibility". Witkowski (2010) also states that at the neuronal level NLP provides no explanation at all and has nothing in common with academic linguistics or programming. Similarly, experimental psychologist Corballis (1999) in his critique of lateralization of brain function (the left/right brain myth), states that "NLP is a thoroughly fake title, designed to give the impression of scientific respectability".[14]
Witkowski (2010) states that NLP uses impressive sounding yet questionable expressions such as; pragmagraphics, surface structure, deep structure, accessing cues, non-accessing movement etc. Canadian skeptic and psychologist Barry Beyerstein (1995) also says that NLP contains terms such as, eye accessing cues, the metamodeling, metaprogramming, neurological levels, representational systems, and submodalities, intended to obfuscate and to give false impression of a scientific discipline. He says "though it claims neuroscience in its pedigree, NLP's outmoded view of the relationship between cognitive style and brain function ultimately boils down to crude analogies."[62] Furthermore Beyerstein (1995) believed that NLP has helped popularize myths about the brain and neurology. He believes that the aphorism, “you create your own reality”, promotes a relativistic perspective and only seeks to gain immunity from scientific testing.
Clinical psychologist Grant Devilly (2005) identified NLP as an early example of a power therapy. Devilly claims that these so called power therapies share characteristics of pseudo-science including: the promotion of unobtainable goals, rationalization traps, manufactured credibility, a set of specific beliefs, self generated persuasion, vivid appeals, the use of common misconceptions, and attacks on critics through the use of innuendo.
NLP has been criticized alongside theories and practices characterized as questionable, pseudoscience and/or discredited practices in therapy. Sources within therapy and psychology include books such as Crazy Therapies: What Are They? Do They Work? (1997), Science and Pseudo-science in Clinical Psychology (2002), and Tall Tales about the Mind and Brain (2007). Articles critical of NLP also appear in the Encyclopedia of Pseudoscience (2000), and The Skeptic's Dictionary (2003). NLP has more recently been used[17][17] as a key example of pseudo-science to facilitate the understanding of the importance of rational and critical thinking in a number of academic subjects. Lilienfeld et al (2001),[17] Lum (2001), and Dunn et al (2008)[17] have used NLP as an example of pseudo-science for teaching undergraduates how to identify pseudo-scientific psychological interventions.
According to Witkowski (2010), NLP also appears on “the list of discredited therapies” published in the journal of Professional Psychology: Research and Practice. With reference to work by Carroll (2003), Della Sala (1999), Lilienfeld et al (2003) and Singer and Lalich (1996) on “pseudoscientific, unvalidated, or “quack” psychotherapies” within clinical psychology, Norcross et al. included NLP for treatment of mental/behaviour disorders in a[19] survey of the opinions of psychologists who rated NLP between possibly discredited and probably discredited, a rating similar to dolphin assisted therapy, equine therapy, psychosynthesis, scared straight programs, and emotional freedom technique (EFT). Norcross et al. in their Clinician's Guide to Evidence-based Practices[20] listed “neurolinguistic programming for drug and alcohol dependence” seventh out of their list of the ten most discredited drugs and alcohol interventions, and it is listed as “certainly discredited” in Evidence-based practices in addiction treatment: review and recommendations for public policy (Fala et al. 2008 as cited by Glasner-Edwards and Rawson, 2010).

snow ghost

Nesf,

Because you could find many opinions that disagree with your own would you consider that proof that you have been discredited?

What specific aspects of NLP do you believe are discredited? How about Eriksonian language patterns or techniques?

When you made your original generalized statement , you probably realized that it could quite easily be discredited. Some scientific research findings conclude that certain foods are bad for you, others conclude they are beneficial, many of us always knew coffee and chocolate were good for us regardless. Didn’t we?

Don’t think that I want you to consider these things or that there may be an alternative reality to your original thoughts on this matter.

[Jackass]

FF is now the guilty pleasure of Irish voters, and this is the perfect oppertunity for those voters to scratch that itch and ease themselves back in to the FF mould.

It's a strange morning when I'm sitting here prepairing for the day, listening to the radio that Ireland are getting massive recognition of the improvements they've made in stabalising the country and adhering to their obligations with EU / IMF funding, and how this is being used as leverage for more negotiations to move Anglo paybacks to a 30 year term with much lesser interest and even talk of going back to the markets in the near future!! :eek: An economy now in (all be it minimal) growth!!

You can sense that the mood of panic is now passing and people are prepairing to decimate this FG / Labour Government in the next general election and give the reigns back to FF once their mess has been cleaned up. It's almost a marker of Irish history at this stage that this political swing happens over and over again. FG fix up Economy, get things running smoothly, are immediately booted out, FF reap the benefits of being in power to enjoy the success and squander all the oppertunities, and the longer they stay in (a decade) the bigger the mess they leave, in come FG again, clean up, fix it with unpopular, sensible decisions, and off we go again. :rollleyes:

Gallagher as President is the first sign of the "It's ok" brigade to put the FF hats back on and forgive and forget, voting on 100 year old history...if only they'd look at the relevant history....

I'm waiting to bring up my "will you remember" thread after the next general election about how FF will come back in on a landslide at the next general election because the country will be well back on track after the term of this Government.

It's no co-incidence that FF have never lost an election when they were the oppisition. They're never put out for too long before they get back in, no matter what they do. Sure is it any wonder it's the party of choice for every criminal and corrupt business man and counciller in the country??

nesf

snow ghost wrote: »

Nesf,

Because you could find many opinions that disagree with your own would you consider that proof that you have been discredited?

If I'm talking about a psychological technique and the main psychology publications are calling it discredited then I'd be inclined to call it discredited.

Fergus_Nash

[Jackass] wrote: »

FF is now the guilty pleasure of Irish voters, and this is the perfect oppertunity for those voters to scratch that itch and ease themselves back in to the FF mould.

It's a strange morning when I'm sitting here prepairing for the day, listening to the radio that Ireland are getting massive recognition of the improvements they've made in stabalising the country and adhering to their obligations with EU / IMF funding, and how this is being used as leverage for more negotiations to move Anglo paybacks to a 30 year term with much lesser interest and even talk of going back to the markets in the near future!! :eek: An economy now in (all be it minimal) growth!!

You can sense that the mood of panic is now passing and people are prepairing to decimate this FG / Labour Government in the next general election and give the reigns back to FF once their mess has been cleaned up. It's almost a marker of Irish history at this stage that this political swing happens over and over again. FG fix up Economy, get things running smoothly, are immediately booted out, FF reap the benefits of being in power to enjoy the success and squander all the oppertunities, and the longer they stay in (a decade) the bigger the mess they leave, in come FG again, clean up, fix it with unpopular, sensible decisions, and off we go again. :rollleyes:

Gallagher as President is the first sign of the "It's ok" brigade to put the FF hats back on and forgive and forget, voting on 100 year old history...if only they'd look at the relevant history....

I'm waiting to bring up my "will you remember" thread after the next general election about how FF will come back in on a landslide at the next general election because the country will be well back on track after the term of this Government.

It's no co-incidence that FF have never lost an election when they were the oppisition. They're never put out for too long before they get back in, no matter what they do. Sure is it any wonder it's the party of choice for every criminal and corrupt business man and counciller in the country??

I am not a FF supporter and there have been some instances of them totally forgetting their past, both nationally and in UCD. However I must take issue with your post.

Tell me what has the present coalition done to help our economy? Raid the pensions pot. Reverse the minimum wage. Have an argument about Richard Bruton's job strategy. Boost tourism with the visits of the Queen and President of the USA.

But financially what have they done? Throw €24bn into Anglo. Other than that their job has been to implement Brian Lenihan's budget. Ireland is doing well and have shown, as you said, slight growth.

For that we have to remember that it was FF that is responsible for this and FG and Labour are about to continue in the same vain.

[Jackass]

That's the excuse people make. When FF fu*k up, "The oppisition would have done the same thing" when FF clean up "look at the budget cuts etc. etc. all they've done is impliment FF policy and make the country worse off.."

FG are HONORING FF's stupid decision to blanket guarentee debts that they didn't know how much it was, and turned out to bankrupt the country, but in order to maintain stability in the financial markets (and not be seen to be flakey and going back on our word) FG have maintained and had to live with the decision, also as part of the condition of getting a bailout from Europe to avoid going bankrupt.

But the stability that has been brought to the Government and country since FG took the reigns.

Typical FF bullsh*t. I'm not a supporter of any party, just completely anti corruption, lies, criminals, incompitent, back hand dealing, bribe taking, planning fixing, "funding" hungry FF

Ellis Dee

Definitely not NLP, more like SFF (Stealth Fianna Fail).:D:D:D

MadsL

NLP = Not Likely President

Dr Galen

We're going down a familiar road here, one thats not needed

Cheers

DrG