Eastern Catholic Rite - in Ireland?

Keaton

Someone suggested I attend the Eastern Rite Liturgy. Anyone know where you can do that in Ireland? Are there many places?

Onesimus

Hi Keaton. Yeah You can attend my Ukrainian Rite Parish which is on Clonliffe Road behind the college and each Divine Liturgy begins on a Sunday at 9:30am.

Here is the site for more info and google map location: www.ugcc.ie It's all in Ukrainian, but if you hit the british flag above the site it translates it into English for you. Once you have done that, click on services and it will show you the map. If you need anymore help let me know.

If you have never attended an Eastern Rite Liturgy before it might be wise to prepare yourself for certain customs. My suggestion is to sit One to three rows behind the Ukrainian/Irish byzantine regulars and just copy what it is they do. It is also custom to introduce yourself to the Priest before the Liturgy and tell him your roman Catholic in good standing so he knows who he is giving communion to as they just dont give it to anyone who walks in the door. Plus...tell him your name, as in our Byzantine Liturgy the Priest calls out the communicants name and then takes a spoon from the chalice mixed with the Divine Body and Precious Blood of Our Lord and drops it into your mouth. Unlike Roman Liturgies where we respond ''Amen'' we dont do that in the Byzantine Liturgy.

Also we Cross ourselves from right to left with fingers in the sign of the trinity and two natures of Christ.

The Homily will be first in modern day Ukrainian, then English and then As Gaeilge.

you'll hear the prayers being read and the choir sings ''Hos-spodee-pom-ee-loy'' that means Lord have mercy or Christ have mercy.

We are the only EC parish in all of Ireland, established by Blessed Nicholas ( thats the name of the Parish ).

If you have any more questions let me know and I'll try to address them.

Onesimus

soterpisc

Thanks for the post, I will go with family next week. Do you know who the Priest is?


Also is my daughter 10 able to have communion, ( she already did her 1st communion)

Onesimus

soterpisc wrote: »

Thanks for the post, I will go with family next week. Do you know who the Priest is?


Also is my daughter 10 able to have communion, ( she already did her 1st communion)

Yup the celebrants name is Archimandrite Fr.Serge Kelleher and Yes it's fine that your daughter receives once she has made her Holy Communion.

She will find it an awesome experience as all the children are called up first and receive before the adults.

At the end of the Liturgy you will notice the deacon come out with a silver plate and cubes of bread on it. It's blessed bread but NOT the Eucharist and is a custom they have in Ukraine during times of famine and hunger and the kids after Kissing the Cross go and take some bread and eat it as part of this custom as do the adults.

Another thing to take notice of is that unlike in the Roman Liturgy we dont bless ourselves with Holy Water as a reminder of our baptism but Kiss Icons upon entering the Church and Cross ourselves. Depending on the feast day these icons may very, for example if it is the feast day of St.Michael then an icon of this Saint is brought out.

You'll see a lot of people crossing themselves a lot of the time too.

I hope you enjoy the Liturgy, it is a long Liturgy but it will make you wonder about all the faults in the way priests do not practice the Roman Liturgy properly and like I've been told before ''The Eastern Liturgy gave me a greater appreciation of my own''. and it is known as the Liturgy of St.John Chrysostom.

I pray you will enjoy it and if ever you need an English translation with whats going on ( really helps you ) you can go ahead and get it on the internet.

Onesimus

Onesimus

Another good idea is to get an idea of the Liturgy before you go there is to youtube it or look it up on the internet. you will find a clip by clip walk through the Byzantine Liturgy right here: http://www.oltv.tv/id168.html


And in case anyone out there tells you that what you are attending is not Catholic give them the following video:D all the Popes have to be trained and able to celebrate all Liturgies in the universal Church. ( it is a video of Pope John Paul II celebrating the Byzantine Liturgy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5LQDaRZKzU0

Sorry if I'm going a bit OTT, just helping you to prepare a little for your own peace of mind I suppose. :)

Onesimus

soterpisc

Onesimus wrote: »

Sorry if I'm going a bit OTT, just helping you to prepare a little for your own peace of mind I suppose. :)

Onesimus

Not OTT at all. Very interesting.

Some questions.

Do the Faithful sit at the mass? How long is it?

Since I have kids just to see which of them I will bring. Might just bring the bigger ones.

Onesimus

soterpisc wrote: »

Not OTT at all. Very interesting.

Some questions.

Do the Faithful sit at the mass? How long is it?

Since I have kids just to see which of them I will bring. Might just bring the bigger ones.

It's rare for a Byzantine Church to have pews as they all stand. This one is the Cardinals Oratory that they are using so there are pews but there is a lot of standing but not all are required to stand and if you cant you cant just feel free to sit if you like thats what I do.

So there are loads of little kids at it and they get on grand and just sit down if they want. It's entirely ok to do. If you've any more questions I'd be glad to help if I can.

Onesimus

Keaton

Thanks Onesimus. The person who advised me to try the ER Liturgy said they respect tradition. Does the priest avoid the folksy, casual approach all too common in Roman parishes? Are the sermons good and meaningful? I really want to find some truly sacred experience of liturgy where the rite is respected.

Onesimus

Keaton wrote: »

Thanks Onesimus. The person who advised me to try the ER Liturgy said they respect tradition. Does the priest avoid the folksy, casual approach all too common in Roman parishes? Are the sermons good and meaningful? I really want to find some truly sacred experience of liturgy where the rite is respected.

if you want to avoid barney and the ducks then yes the UGCC is the place to be. Very Sacred. There is never instruments played at UGCC parishes its all chant and choir. The sermons are good but I wouldnt expect too much from Fr.Serge as he suffers from Arthritis and I think he keeps his sermons short for that reason but what he says is the truth and nothing but the truth. Another factor to take into consideration is that he delivers the sermon in three languages. So I dont think in his condition that he could give such a lengthy sermon.

There might not be that many there on a Sunday but there are always plenty who travel for feasts like the Pentecost etc in which case there would be a lot of people. But regardless of the number in attendance...expect your soul to be given a lift and an experience it probably never had at any other Divine Liturgy before.

Onesimus

Keaton

Onesimus wrote: »

if you want to avoid barney and the ducks then yes the UGCC is the place to be. Very Sacred. There is never instruments played at UGCC parishes its all chant and choir. The sermons are good but I wouldnt expect too much from Fr.Serge as he suffers from Arthritis and I think he keeps his sermons short for that reason but what he says is the truth and nothing but the truth. Another factor to take into consideration is that he delivers the sermon in three languages. So I dont think in his condition that he could give such a lengthy sermon.

There might not be that many there on a Sunday but there are always plenty who travel for feasts like the Pentecost etc in which case there would be a lot of people. But regardless of the number in attendance...expect your soul to be given a lift and an experience it probably never had at any other Divine Liturgy before.

Onesimus

Why do you reckon ER Catholics avoided the loopy-la-la malaise that afflicted their Roman brethren? How come they seem to have escaped Modernism?

Also, do they have 'themed liturgies'? I have in mind the pathetic music and other shenanigans that go on, supposedly to appeal to children but which are really quite pathetic. I bet they don't, but I must ask!

Onesimus

Keaton wrote: »

Why do you reckon ER Catholics avoided the loopy-la-la malaise that afflicted their Roman brethren? How come they seem to have escaped Modernism?

Also, do they have 'themed liturgies'? I have in mind the pathetic music and other shenanigans that go on, supposedly to appeal to children but which are really quite pathetic. I bet they don't, but I must ask!

Your first question is a good one actually. I really dont know, but I would say that not all Eastern Rite parishes are exempt from modernist thought but I certainly have yet to see it. I think whats happened in the Roman rite is largely due to major influence in the modernist/secularist culture of the west around them whereas the light of the East have always managed to maintain their vocations to the Priesthood not to mention the youth and uphold their traditions. But they are not immaculate in those three things I've just mentioned. I think that such a problem is certainly in the East but on a minor scale compared to the wests major one.

With regards to themed Liturgies do you mean....''this week is rock week and next week is folk week?''

I personally dont mind the folk music as a lot of it is low key and very sacred sounding to my ears. I like the rock music too but just not for the Liturgie and more for youth gatherings and retreats of prayer etc.

But in the EC it's all chanting and choir. No instruments are played, thats the Byzantine way and always has been. You must remember that when you come to our Liturgy you are literally taking a huge step back in time to the 4th century ( St.John Chrysostoms Liturgy ) which is unchanged and still going and it's Liturgy must be upheld just how it was back then.

The Quadratic Equation

Keaton wrote: »

Why do you reckon ER Catholics avoided the loopy-la-la malaise that afflicted their Roman brethren? How come they seem to have escaped Modernism?

They didn't have the same number of so called "liberals" that misused and twisted Vatican II in order to ensure their own agenda took over. e.g. watch out whenever you hear the phrase "it's in keeping with the spirit of Vatican II"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uX2bO2tgVD8

Keaton

Onesimus wrote: »

I personally dont mind the folk music as a lot of it is low key and very sacred sounding to my ears. I like the rock music too but just not for the Liturgie and more for youth gatherings and retreats of prayer etc.

But in the EC it's all chanting and choir. No instruments are played, thats the Byzantine way and always has been. You must remember that when you come to our Liturgy you are literally taking a huge step back in time to the 4th century ( St.John Chrysostoms Liturgy ) which is unchanged and still going and it's Liturgy must be upheld just how it was back then.

Pity we threw out the ancient Roman Rite and replaced it with what Cardinal Ratzinger called a banal, on the spot product, like something from a manufacturing process!

Keaton

Onesimus wrote: »

Hi Keaton. Yeah You can attend my Ukrainian Rite Parish which is on Clonliffe Road behind the college and each Divine Liturgy begins on a Sunday at 9:30am.

Do people follow along in a Missal?

Onesimus

I dont have a problem with the english Mass in the Roman rite at all and think that if the East is going to benefit from evangelising the west it needs to have English in it's Liturgies as opposed to ancient slavonic or modern day Ukrainian.

I dont a problem either with it in Latin when given the choice but I dont think it should be made mandatory. I feel the Church made a good move moving from Latin to English and then the New Translation of the Mass Romans have is great too and nice small step back to a more sincere and true rendition of the missal text.

Onesimus

Keaton wrote: »

Do people follow along in a Missal?

Yes I know I do and there are Missals there also. The entire Liturgy is sung by the way. None of it is spoken.

I have one in Slavonic with English translation.

Keaton

Do the people chant along, or do most people remain quiet?

Onesimus

Keaton wrote: »

Do the people chant along, or do most people remain quiet?

Yeah some do some dont. I know I do in the responses to each prayer which is ''Lord Have Mercy''

Onesimus

Onesimus

Did any of you go? if so what did you make of it?

Keaton

Onesimus wrote: »

Did any of you go? if so what did you make of it?

No, bit too far for me sadly. But I would love to attend the Divine Liturgy sometime.

Keaton

November 2011

General Intention: That the Eastern Catholic Churches and their venerable traditions may be known and esteemed as a spiritual treasure for the whole Church.

Missionary Intention: Justice and Reconciliation in Africa.
That the African continent may find strength in Christ to pursue justice and reconciliation as set forth by the second Synod of African Bishops.

Onesimus

I have just received news today that Archimandrite Fr.Serge ( Brian ) Kelleher Passed away yesterday at 8:48am in St.James Hospital on the private ward.

Could I please have your prayers for the repose of his soul into Paradise

Vichnaya Pamjat! ( Eternal Memory )

Onesimus