The glories of Athiest states

passarellaie

Athiests have done a marvellous jobs of propagating their anti faith over the generations.This is especially true when they actually get some power.The USSR GDR PRC are some of those womderful places athiests have created.Theres only one of these left and they love beating the s..t out of the Dalai lamas religous lunatics at every opportunity.
No doubt about the Athiests have the secret in how to develop human society

Stercus Accidit

And every major religion known has been part of some genocide or another, and far more of them. What's your point, that all sorts of regimes have committed atrocities? Its almost as if it was bad government rather than any belief system that causes these problems, isn't it?

Jimoslimos

passarellaie wrote: »

Athiests have done a marvellous jobs of propagating their anti faith over the generations.This is especially true when they actually get some power.The USSR GDR PRC are some of those womderful places athiests have created.Theres only one of these left and they love beating the s..t out of the Dalai lamas religous lunatics at every opportunity.
No doubt about the Athiests have the secret in how to develop human society

Yeah but look at all the Olympic gold medals won by the male and ....er...female athletes of those countries:pac:

swampgas

passarellaie wrote: »

Athiests have done a marvellous jobs of propagating their anti faith over the generations.This is especially true when they actually get some power.The USSR GDR PRC are some of those womderful places athiests have created.Theres only one of these left and they love beating the s..t out of the Dalai lamas religous lunatics at every opportunity.
No doubt about the Athiests have the secret in how to develop human society

Not this old chestnut again ....

passarellaie

Stercus Accidit wrote: »

And every major religion known has been part of some genocide or another, and far more of them. What's your point, that all sorts of regimes have committed atrocities? Its almost as if it was bad government rather than any belief system that causes these problems, isn't it?

My argument is nobody in the history of the World has managed the savagery of the avowedly athiestic states such as the USSR under Stalin,China under Mao or Cambodia under Pol Pot not to mention comrade Gilmores friend in Pyongyang.
Tolerant you people are not

passarellaie

Jimoslimos wrote: »

Yeah but look at all the Olympic gold medals won by the male and ....er...female athletes of those countries:pac:

How right you are now we know why population collapses under socialism

Jimoslimos

Seems like a little lesson is in order here;

Correlation =/= Causation

no matter how many examples you list

Knasher

Jimoslimos wrote: »

Seems like a little lesson is in order here;

Correlation =/= Causation

no matter how many examples you list

Are you sure? He will probably list the same four examples a couple more times just to be on the safe side.

Stercus Accidit

passarellaie wrote: »

My argument is nobody in the history of the World has managed the savagery of the avowedly athiestic states such as the USSR under Stalin,China under Mao or Cambodia under Pol Pot not to mention comrade Gilmores friend in Pyongyang.
Tolerant you people are not

Are you some sort of troll? There have never been inquisitions, witch hunts or gas chambers in the history of mankind? Were those things made up or something?!

dlofnep

passarellaie wrote: »

My argument is nobody in the history of the World has managed the savagery of the avowedly athiestic states such as the USSR under Stalin,China under Mao or Cambodia under Pol Pot not to mention comrade Gilmores friend in Pyongyang.
Tolerant you people are not

Norway and Sweden are amongst the lowest percentage of believers in the world. Where do they fit into your grand scheme of things? Last time I saw violence in Norway, it wasn't an atheist - but rather, a Christian lunatic who slaughtered 77 innocent people.

None of the above states that you have listed were operated under the influence of atheism. But many wars and slaughters of innocent people have been done under the influence or, and in the name of religion.

Check-mate.

Solair

I think you'll find the problem with most of the states mentioned is that they were totalitarian regimes, not that they opted to impose atheism on their populations.

A state has no business imposing any religious belief system on a population nor does it have any business banning religious belief.

I far prefer the idea of an actual secular state. Live and let live in a liberal democratic structure. That's how it should be.

Ireland's not quite secular, particularly in areas like primary and secondary education and certain aspects of the public health system where religious belief is still pretty much imposed and daft notions like having prayers at public meetings of local and national legislatures.

State services should be 100% religiously neutral. They should be swearing to do their duty in the public interest, not saying payers.

JohnRiver

dlofnep wrote: »

Norway and Sweden are amongst the lowest percentage of believers in the world. Where do they fit into your grand scheme of things? Last time I saw violence in Norway, it wasn't an atheist - but rather, a Christian lunatic who slaughtered 77 innocent people.

None of the above states that you have listed were operated under the influence of atheism. But many wars and slaughters of innocent people have been done under the influence or, and in the name of religion.

Check-mate.

you might think that with god out of the picture, though, that some other might want what was his position? and become an evil dictating bastard or something like that? i dunno... good government would sort anything though. anything besides religion.

robindch

passarellaie wrote: »

Tolerant you people are not

passarellaie, trolling is a cardable offence here and yer only not getting one coz I can't find the dang button on the touch interface.

Btw, it's spelled "atheism".

bnt

passarellaie wrote: »

My argument is nobody in the history of the World has managed the savagery of the avowedly athiestic states such as the USSR under Stalin,China under Mao or Cambodia under Pol Pot not to mention comrade Gilmores friend in Pyongyang.

What is your source for that? Is that source objective? If you got that from a religious person, book, or website, then the answer is no, it's not objective. Religious types have a vested interest in making religion appear necessary for a stable society. Do you imagine a priest saying anything that could make his job redundant?

If you'd bothered to search this forum before posting, you'd have noticed these kinds of accusations have come up before. If you research what was said about Stalin, Pol Pot etc. by those who were actually there - not biased foreigners - one theme keeps coming up: their regimes had many of the properties of religions, complete with dogma, rituals, and the elevation of a deity. How can you call Stalinism "atheistic" when Stalin was revered as god-like by his followers, thanks to his "cult of personality"?

Ghost Buster

passarellaie wrote: »

Athiests have done a marvellous jobs of propagating their anti faith over the generations.This is especially true when they actually get some power.The USSR GDR PRC are some of those womderful places athiests have created.Theres only one of these left and they love beating the s..t out of the Dalai lamas religous lunatics at every opportunity.
No doubt about the Athiests have the secret in how to develop human society

......and that mega boo boo is where i gave up.........

CiaranMT

Disappointed by how much credence this sub-par troll has received.

Ye needed more jokes guyz.

Delirium

passarellaie wrote: »

.... "blah, blah, blah. atheists are evil, evil I tells ya!!"

Tolerant you people are not

The Quadratic Equation

Albania was the best modern, fairly recent example, in Europe.

Article 37 of the Albanian Constitution of 1976 stipulated, "The State recognizes no religion, and supports atheistic propaganda in order to implant a scientific materialistic world outlook in people.", and the penal code of 1977 imposed prison sentences of three to ten years for "religious propaganda and the production, distribution, or storage of religious literature." A new decree that in effect targeted Albanians with Christian names stipulated that citizens whose names did not conform to "the political, ideological, or moral standards of the state" were to change them. It was also decreed that towns and villages with religious names must be renamed. Hoxha's brutal antireligious campaign succeeded in eradicating formal worship, but some Albanians continued to practice their faith clandestinely, risking severe punishment. Individuals caught with Bibles, icons, or other religious objects faced long prison sentences. Religious weddings were prohibited.

Parents were afraid to pass on their faith, for fear that their children would tell others. Officials tried to entrap practicing Christians and Muslims during religious fasts, such as Lent and Ramadan, by distributing dairy products and other forbidden foods in school and at work, and then publicly denouncing those who refused the food, and clergy who conducted secret services were incarcerated.Catholic priest Shtjefen Kurti, had been executed for secretly baptizing a child in Shkodër in 1972.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_atheism

Galvasean

The Quadratic Equation wrote: »

Albania was the best modern, fairly recent example, in Europe.

Another totalitarian regime. Do you guys really not get it or are you just taking the mick?

How's Uganda going by the way? Still a Christian paradise?

MrPudding

Galvasean wrote: »

Another totalitarian regime. Do you guys really not get it or are you just taking the mick?

How's Uganda going by the way? Still a Christian paradise?

They are trying to make being gay a capital offence, so I am sure many of our friends from the other side reckon it is getting there.

MrP

goose2005

passarellaie wrote: »

Athiests have done a marvellous jobs of propagating their anti faith over the generations.This is especially true when they actually get some power.The USSR GDR PRC are some of those womderful places athiests have created.Theres only one of these left and they love beating the s..t out of the Dalai lamas religous lunatics at every opportunity.
No doubt about the Athiests have the secret in how to develop human society

Galvasean

I think we'll all have to agree on one thing...

Religious or atheists, we (humanity) are a bunch of a$$holes.

robindch

The Quadratic Equation wrote: »

Albania was the best modern, fairly recent example, in Europe.

The atheistic Albanians, unlike their religious friends to the north, didn't carry out any religious/ethnic cleansing.

Recall the Bosnian War, which orthodox christians, aka the Serbs, started in order to grab land from islamics and (to a lesser extent) western christians, aka the Bosnians + Croats.

Over 100,000 were murdered during the course of that particular religious/ethnic conflict, though the religious avoid discussing it for obvious reasons.

Solair

France is a pretty good example of a democratic, strictly secular setup.
It generally works pretty ok.

The odd hiccup here and there, but it certainly not a bad place to live and I prefer the no nonsense clear cut state - church divide. It's not blurred, it's simple and its understood boost French people as being something positive.

Turtwig

passarellaie wrote: »

Athiests have done a marvellous jobs of propagating their anti faith over the generations.This is especially true when they actually get some power.The USSR GDR PRC are some of those womderful places athiests have created.Theres only one of these left and they love beating the s..t out of the Dalai lamas religous lunatics at every opportunity.
No doubt about the Athiests have the secret in how to develop human society

It is not for the atheist that the glory and honour of almighty rugby nay the honourable discharge of the guy who's name I cannot remember but only smell but I do have a point here that point is one that you see hidden within this very text. For you see it is atheists who are the beacons of light against the darkness that is the absence of sunlight. Right, now somewhere in the world is covered in a shroud of darkness. Socialism itself is dark, but democracy is the dark dictatorship of the majority. Atheist politics, whatever that may be, I have yet to figure out, but I know in my heart, my soul, sorry non existent soul, sorry most probably non existent soul but the fact I don't believe in a soul has nothing to do with atheism and I'm just pointing this out because you might like to think so anyways and perhaps at this point or a few moments earlier you were beginning to question the length of this sentence if you weren't then you should have been : Can he really make a sentence this long, is it blasphemy what is the atheist position on such sentences? What say the atheist bible? Alas, I have yet to find such a text, but in my deep spiritual searches for clarity and insight I realised that no text might not actually be necessary because you see the text is inside all of us, we all feel it and know it and that is enough to know that one day, there will come a time when the length of a day on earth is increased. It is down to the earth's rotation you see, but it also down to atheists why? Because of their beliefs. I love the whole world and all its inhabitants it's such a wonderful place.

Peace all,

tricky D

That old canard again. Totalitarian/Authoritarian regimes work much better when not diluted by another figure of authority. There can only be one authority, otherwise they are more like semi-totalitarian/semi-authoritarian. Basic stuff that even the rcc kind of uses by means of papal infallibility.

Dades

Hmmm. I think it might be time for a sticky or reference post/thread to direct these type of posters to.

Will investigate...