Article on Deer stalking

DR6.5

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/travel/2011/1022/1224306246271.html

Tackleberry.

not a bad read at all hmm..thanks Tac.

RICHIE.39

Enjoyed that !
Thanks

Grizzly 45

Did she actually go hunting or just write this up in the hotel??
Some serious clangers and sensation mongering.
Scary 7mm tubes that can kill at three miles! Gimme a break!!:rolleyes:

Dunno about you lot,but I've never had the need to throw myself in fox ****e[a predator] to mask my scent,when there are plenty of less smelly options around.:rolleyes::rolleyes:
Feral pure bred Sika,now thats a contradiction!

Verdict. Must try harder!

GixxerThou

Who is John Fintan? :P

poulo6.5

GixxerThou wrote: »

Who is John Fintan? :P

name sounds familiar. just wait if John Fenton finds out there is someone else on his patch he will crack up:D:D


so apparently and i quote. "Mangan has the tender to cull and control the sika population in Kerry. “ i met and spoke with this man my self as i shoot some of the ground that he brings his clients on.

in his own words he told me "we dont even shoot the hind's here so as to encourage the stags out of the park". his own words.

how is that controlling the population. he only wants the stags around to make money.

he tried to scare me off the land that i shot but i quietened him when i was able to list off all the local farmers that were sick of deer eating their grass because no one was shooting them.

as for the. "The bullets were scary 7mm capsules that can kill at a distance of three miles". please where did this guy get his material, i'd say he copied it out of sporting rifle or something.

BELOWaverageIQ

Twice missed ?

''Greg took another shot. Torrential rain saved the stag as Greg could not get a proper sighting through the foggy lens.''

poulo6.5

BELOWaverageIQ wrote: »

Twice missed ?

the more i read that article the worse it gets.

how do i complain to the editor :D:D:D

Hibrion

I have to say that, unfortunately, I think this article is very poorly written.

Mauser 308

I dont think very much of the guide, allowing a stalker to take what sounds like rushed unsteady shots in fog. To completley miss 2 deer, and not wonder about is the scope set correct etc etc.

wirehairmax

Dont think much of the article myself. Just an advert for these hunting tourism outfits taking naive tourists for a ride. Same guys claiming they ''control'' the cull and management of the deer in these areas but really only want the trophy stags to sell on. 2 chances of a deer and complete misses? Id be asking questions of the shooter???

pedroeibar1

John Mangan has a huge amount of land taken (rented or with permissions) in several locations in S Kerry and is well-known for bringing in planeloads of Continentals, primarily for woodcock shooting. One of his Frog clients wrote a book (Becasse!Becasse!) about 'cock shooting over here which is widely read by bird hunters in France and has enticed many more over. Mangan features heavily in it, along with several of the 'usual suspects' from Waterville. He tried to get permission for a shooting range and holiday home complex a few years ago but did not get past Bord Pleanala.
I know people have to live/earn a crust, but it bugs me when a sport becomes a racket, particularly based on foreigners who come here because there is no bag limit.
P.

poulo6.5

pedroeibar1 wrote: »

John Mangan has a huge amount of land taken (rented or with permissions) in several locations in S Kerry and is well-known for bringing in planeloads of Continentals, primarily for woodcock shooting. One of his Frog clients wrote a book (Becasse!Becasse!) about 'cock shooting over here which is widely read by bird hunters in France and has enticed many more over. Mangan features heavily in it, along with several of the 'usual suspects' from Waterville. He tried to get permission for a shooting range and holiday home complex a few years ago but did not get past Bord Pleanala.
I know people have to live/earn a crust, but it bugs me when a sport becomes a racket, particularly based on foreigners who come here because there is no bag limit.
P.

i hear you, i have nothing against mangan my self. i just think the article is rubbish. i also disagree with the way it said that mangan has a tender to control the numbers in kerry. what a load of bull

steyrman2

paper never refuses ink i read the article a few times and then gave up on it

archerforever

what a poor representation of our sport !!!!!!!

utter tripe !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

323

Had to have a look. Got as far as the 7mm crap and closed the page.

Absolute dribble

pedroeibar1

323 wrote: »

Had to have a look. Got as far as the 7mm crap and closed the page.

Absolute dribble

To be fair, the article could have been a lot worse. Any non-shooter is scared by 'bullets' particularly when they are told that they can kill up to 3 miles away. Most even think they will explode even when dropped!
There was a follow-up letter in today's I T.

Sir, –
I very much enjoyed Elizabeth Birdthistle’s article on sika deer stalking in Co Kerry (Go magazine, October 22nd). It is refreshing to see this wonderful sport reflected in a positive light in the national press, and there is a great need for the general public to be well-informed about the possibilities of venison as an alternative to other red meats on the table, as well as the economic benefits of deer stalking by both tourists and Irish hunters.
More importantly, however, is the urgent need for the public to understand the difficulties of controlling our national deer population. None of the stalkers Ms Birdthistle met that morning had succeeded in harvesting a deer. The scene described might create the impression that these deer are only found on remote hillsides that require a strenuous hike to reach. Unfortunately, this is far from the case.
A draft deer management policy vision released for public consultation recently by the Inter-agency Deer Policy Group, comprising deer experts from the NPWS, DAFF and Coillte Teo, estimates the population of the four deer species in the country at close to 300,000. I also have it on good authority that a sika deer stag was recently seeking a harem in Glenageary, well inside the M50, making control extremely challenging.
Deer are, indeed, elusive, but the problems they can create are more obvious – destroyed crops, damaged trees, and road traffic accidents. I hope that Ms Birdthistle’s article will serve to bring deer to the public consciousness and inspire people to seek out deer (they are hard to spot, but worth the effort) and to engage as active stakeholders in the debate that our society will need to have about urgent changes to our current, failing, management policies and practices. Deer are wonderful animals, in every aspect, and they deserve our attention. – Yours, etc,
Dr DAVID O’BRIEN,
Calle Dormitaleria,
Pamplona,
Navarra, Spain.

BELOWaverageIQ

Todays Irish Times

PippaSpaniel

poulo6.5 wrote: »

name sounds familiar. just wait if John Fenton finds out there is someone else on his patch he will crack up:D:D


so apparently and i quote. "Mangan has the tender to cull and control the sika population in Kerry. “ i met and spoke with this man my self as i shoot some of the ground that he brings his clients on.

in his own words he told me "we dont even shoot the hind's here so as to encourage the stags out of the park". his own words.

how is that controlling the population. he only wants the stags around to make money.

he tried to scare me off the land that i shot but i quietened him when i was able to list off all the local farmers that were sick of deer eating their grass because no one was shooting them.

as for the. "The bullets were scary 7mm capsules that can kill at a distance of three miles". please where did this guy get his material, i'd say he copied it out of sporting rifle or something.

Hi paulo,
Our club have been for years dealing with John Mangan and his ghilles coming on to gun club lands and shooting pheasants that we spent money feeding and rearing. One of his ghilles brought one of his clients to within half a mile or less of our rearing pen where we have no shooting signs up. Parked up underneath the sign and proceeded. We waited around for a while myself and the landowner to catch them but after an hour headed away as i had a job to go to!! Where there is alot of euro changing hands they will roam where they want!!

poulo6.5

PippaSpaniel wrote: »

Hi paulo,
Our club have been for years dealing with John Mangan and his ghilles coming on to gun club lands and shooting pheasants that we spent money feeding and rearing. One of his ghilles brought one of his clients to within half a mile or less of our rearing pen where we have no shooting signs up. Parked up underneath the sign and proceeded. We waited around for a while myself and the landowner to catch them but after an hour headed away as i had a job to go to!! Where there is alot of euro changing hands they will roam where they want!!

well i am going to stick it to him my way. i got some more permission up by where i met him before and i will be spending more time there now. i hope i meet him again i will be slagging him off about this so called "tender to control deer in kerry" . what a load of muck