planting a new hedgerow for reps

mattthetrasher

hi all,planting a new whitethorn hedge any and all advice needed and appreciated should i spray round-up along first do i need plastic ect i reckon a double row would you put fym arond them or would it bring nettles ect sorry about all questions but never planted a hedgerow before

dar31

+1
have to plant 350m next month, any tips and advise appreciated
also in relation to tree planting

locky76

mattthetrasher wrote: »

hi all,planting a new whitethorn hedge any and all advice needed and appreciated should i spray round-up along first do i need plastic ect i reckon a double row would you put fym arond them or would it bring nettles ect sorry about all questions but never planted a hedgerow before

Plant a double row approx. 1 foot between row and 1 foot between plants on each row. This will mean a plant every six inches.
Spray round up then matt and then cut the matt and plant.
I would recommend matting and mulching because otherwise keeping the weeds under control will be a backbreaking job pulling them in the following years.

mattthetrasher

would ya wait long after spraying to plant and do you use that garden stuff its very expensive have 6 or 700 mtrs to do

locky76

mattthetrasher wrote: »

would ya wait long after spraying to plant and do you use that garden stuff its very expensive have 6 or 700 mtrs to do

I'm not sure on how long to wait, i was of the opinion that round up became passive once it hits the leaf, i.e. you could plant the following day.
I myself would leave it 3 weeks for the vegetation to die off.
I have sprayed the bottom of the hedge in February March to kill off the vegetation of existing hedge, this is possible as the leafs haven't opened up yet.

lakill Farm

I planted 950 bare root beech in march. I didnt spray and its a killer.
Planted at a staggered 18 inch in 2 rows

Ok my type. Hire a 4 inch petrol auger from your hire store.
Myself and the auld lad planted 950 in 6 hours.i would drill 40 holes and he would be behind me planting and back filling. Then swap. Best 30e for a saturday, but i couldnt hold a pint that night.

Try weed membrane, a company in clara co offaly makes or imports it and is cheap compared to alot of places.

Bizzum

We planted a fair bit of hedging in the spring under AEOS. I dunno if REPS have the same or similar requirements.
We had to sow 6 plants/m, So thats two rows a foot apart staggered a foot between plants.
Instead of 100% Whitethorn, plant 80% Whitehthorn and 20% mix for biodiversity. The mix can include Holly, Spindle, Hazel, Dog Rose etc.

We didnt spray. We scuffled the ground with a mini digger to prepare a rough bed, stuck the plants with a spade, firmed around them, Pruned them back down to 6" or so, rolled plastic over the remaining stub, weighed down the plastic with chippings or any stray soil that was about.

Fence it well.

Minimal maintainence this way.

doghunter

mattthetrasher wrote: »

hi all,planting a new whitethorn hedge any and all advice needed and appreciated should i spray round-up along first do i need plastic ect i reckon a double row would you put fym arond them or would it bring nettles ect sorry about all questions but never planted a hedgerow before

Hi Matt, my advise would to plant a double row @ 6no.plants/m., I would not bother with the fym as long as you are planting into topsoil, but this is up to you, if you do put fym around the plants it will scorch the stem of the hedge it touches, so if putting in fym it is better to dig it in or use single furrow plough along the length of the proposed hedge line and fill this with fym and backfill topsoil and plant into this. Too much work imo, get a spade and and plant to the back of the spade , ensuring you cover all the roots as any left above the ground will be hit with chemical if you spray after the hedge has being planted. do not not bother with an auger if you have stony ground, will break your heart, have seen people plant bareroot hedging using a crowbar, might not all survive but in stoney ground may be an option. Any height of plant specified, if not go 60-80cm and bend these plants over 10cm from ground level( laying hedge), this will help provide a thick hedge in the future. This all depends what you have in mind for the hedge but buying taller/larger plants is generally a false economy as the smaller plants take quicker where as larger plants will go into shock and take longer to establish and are slower to 'take off' . I hope this has being of some help or any further queries I'll help if possible.

mattthetrasher

the 20% diversity is a good idea should improve the look of it its around the house and up to the yard rang a guy in roscommon larkin he supplies auger with plants i ll spray it in the next day or two and i hoping i can get some sort of bark or mulch to help keep weeds at bay thanks guys

Cgold

doghunter wrote: »

Hi Matt, my advise would to plant a double row @ 6no.plants/m., I would not bother with the fym as long as you are planting into topsoil, but this is up to you, if you do put fym around the plants it will scorch the stem of the hedge it touches, so if putting in fym it is better to dig it in or use single furrow plough along the length of the proposed hedge line and fill this with fym and backfill topsoil and plant into this. Too much work imo, get a spade and and plant to the back of the spade , ensuring you cover all the roots as any left above the ground will be hit with chemical if you spray after the hedge has being planted. do not not bother with an auger if you have stony ground, will break your heart, have seen people plant bareroot hedging using a crowbar, might not all survive but in stoney ground may be an option. Any height of plant specified, if not go 60-80cm and bend these plants over 10cm from ground level( laying hedge), this will help provide a thick hedge in the future. This all depends what you have in mind for the hedge but buying taller/larger plants is generally a false economy as the smaller plants take quicker where as larger plants will go into shock and take longer to establish and are slower to 'take off' . I hope this has being of some help or any further queries I'll help if possible.

Hi,

The above is spot on, get the smaller to medium plants instead. Remember, you are buying the Root System, not the nice tall plant!! Another thing you could do is cut the plants right down to about 6 inches from the ground, this may sound like maddness, but if you want a stock proof hedge, this is the best way as the plant will then start to form lateral, or sideways shoots, which will meld together to form a good hedge. When these form over a year or so, then you let the plants get a little higher, and stop them again at a certain height so that the next flush of lateral shoots develop and so on....Its a bit of work, but its worth it in the end. It prevents a "leader" shoot forming and reaching for the sky, which saps all the energy from the plant.

Belongamick

Hi CGold,

I just want to make sure I have this right before I go mad pruning.
Have a whitethorn hedge set last Feb 12 months and cannot believe it survived so well and is thriving. It needs to be trimmed back ... it is about a foot high at this stage so do you think it needs to be trimmed fairly hard to about 6 inches?
Thanks.

nashmach

Anyone recommend anywhere in the South East for whitethorn and holly hedging?

Also can you just purchase this in the local co-op as long as the plants themselves are Department approved or do you need to buy direct from a nursery?

Have been told on good ground a spade is ideal for planting and pop the plant in behind the blade of it.

Thanks for any help.

Manoffeeling

lakill Farm wrote: »

I planted 950 bare root beech in march. I didnt spray and its a killer.
Planted at a staggered 18 inch in 2 rows

Ok my type. Hire a 4 inch petrol auger from your hire store.
Myself and the auld lad planted 950 in 6 hours.i would drill 40 holes and he would be behind me planting and back filling. Then swap. Best 30e for a saturday, but i couldnt hold a pint that night.

Try weed membrane, a company in clara co offaly makes or imports it and is cheap compared to alot of places.

Sounds like a great job. Would a post hole spade be any good sowing white thorn?

micklemat

Hope hes able to get you started

49801

Cgold wrote: »

Hi,

The above is spot on, get the smaller to medium plants instead. Remember, you are buying the Root System, not the nice tall plant!! Another thing you could do is cut the plants right down to about 6 inches from the ground, this may sound like maddness, but if you want a stock proof hedge, this is the best way as the plant will then start to form lateral, or sideways shoots, which will meld together to form a good hedge. When these form over a year or so, then you let the plants get a little higher, and stop them again at a certain height so that the next flush of lateral shoots develop and so on....Its a bit of work, but its worth it in the end. It prevents a "leader" shoot forming and reaching for the sky, which saps all the energy from the plant.

Seen plenty articles recommend this and after cutting sapling and leaving a sharp point push a strip of used silage plastic ontop instead of the geotextile type covers to keep the weeds off. Just use a spade to tuck the edge of the plastic into the ground. No need to spraying weeds regularly off then.