28/10 Under Construction pics

Blue Punto

Came across these while sifting through hoards of old pics .
Thought they might be of interest to someone

28/10 by niallsaviation, on Flickr

28/10 by niallsaviation, on Flickr

28/10 by niallsaviation, on Flickr
I must be one of the few that have cycled up and down the runway

Turbo Porter

I remember driving my old Telecom Eireann Toyota Hiace at 90mph :eek: on a brand new runway 28.....we were jointing cables on the 10 end.

xflyer

I remember my first time on 28. There was a certain sense of occasion. You were warned about wake turbulence from the departing jet. So you sat there for a moment. You had the whole runway to yourself. It was magic.

Then I applied full power and the little puddle jumper lethargically accelerated down the enormous looking piece of tarmac. I felt priveliged.

It was the silence that got me. There was always that moment. 'Cleared to take off, caution wake turbulence'. Always followed by a momentary pause, as you eyed the enormous runway ahead of you that was all yours.

My runway, for a moment in time.

Cessna_Pilot

Runway's not in the prime of it's life anymore, could do with a revamp!

drdeadlift

Dam the years are flying by,great pics!!!

Plowman

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KoNiT

It's not that enormous, is it?

no, but it's really, really wide..

Plowman

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tippilot

Cessna_Pilot wrote: »

Runway's not in the prime of it's life anymore, could do with a revamp!

Resurfaced earlier this year. Good as new now.

tippilot

Plowman wrote: »

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It is in the context of a light aircraft-to which xflyer was referring.

As regards width, Rwy 28 is 45m wide which is the standard width(for that era). Newer "widebody" runways are 60m wide.

Andrew33

What year is that Niall? I remember spotting in Dublin in the early 80's (from the glasshouse at the end of a very very long walk!), I don't think 28/10 existed back then?

urajoke

tippilot wrote: »

Resurfaced earlier this year. Good as new now.

Resurfaced YES, good as new god NO. Surface looks good the subsurface and foundation is nearly at the end of its lifespan. It was planned that 28R would be open by now and 28L could be rebuilt completely. Unfortunately we all know what has happened to the world and this country's economy the resurface is just a patch job. The DAA is currently very concerned with the runway and doesn't know how many more years the runway will hold up before it needs to be closed as repairs won't sustain it long term. That leaves a big choice and an expensive one. One of the choices leaves Dublin operating for a long period on 16/34.

Dublin Spotter

The DAA don't have much choise and no money but the new runway needs to be built soon as it will take a few years to do so and if work does not start soon then DUB will lose a lot of business if they have to move ops to 16/34. It will be goodbye to Long haul traffic for a start.

The Avation Regulator has to let it be built but only if runway 28 is closed. which would mean the DAA would not be breaking the 23.5million cap for 2 runways to be used. They need to find the money to do it.

tippilot

My understanding was that 28 had gone beyond the end of it's lifespan already. Resurfacing a concrete runway with bitumen will have a limited lifespan true, but it certainly needed to be done and was more than just cosmetic. The concrete had deteriorated badly, especially between sections. There was some horrendous bumps on the roll up until earlier this year. Very smooth now.

What's the situation with the sub structure. Why does it have a limited lifespan when compared to other similar runways worldwide? A total rebuild would take anywhere up to a year. There are plenty of single runway airports worldwide that merely resurface a runway when necessary. What was done differently here that would necessitate a complete closure and total rebuild?

I notice also that the displaced Papi's from the resurface have been left in place. Is there more work on the horizon?

urajoke

Sorry I don't have the answers to all your questions. Other than what I have been told and shown.

It's been know for quite some time that the runway is in a bad state and a full rebuild was planned. They currently are doing a full video survey of the runway once a week to monitor it.

When we were shown the plans for the airport it was planned that 28 would close for up to or more than a year. This would have allowed and facilitated major works and also to have included a new parallel taxiway from roughly abeam E4 to B7 and a new cargo facility south of 28 where the long term car park is, this would have allowed them to shut down the current cargo area and move it lock stock and expand and develop it.

You're quite right in your comments in regard to why is this different, I don't know. 31L in KJFK is only after reopening after a full rebuild. The cross runway in Shannon closed as it broke up and was too costly to repair. 11/29 in Dublin is also beyond repair as a runway so won't reopen even if 28R is never built. I guess maybe its the way we build them here in Ireland what a shocker.

tippilot

Very interesting reply thanks.

Blue Punto

Andrew33 wrote: »

What year is that Niall? I remember spotting in Dublin in the early 80's (from the glasshouse at the end of a very very long walk!), I don't think 28/10 existed back then?

The glasshouse (AKA the link)was still there when 28 was operational if i recall correctly (if not im sure someone here will tell me)

I think it was 1986/7 as the pics aint dated so thats a rough guess

Kumsheen

Jamie2k9 wrote: »

Dublin has to have one of the oldest runways for a major european airport. Many airprots in Europe runways are not that old and some are currently building new ones.

This runway was only built in 1989. MOST runways in Europe would be older than that.

Locker10a

What about LHR!!! Thay only have two runways and they get much more wear and tear then 10/28 ! And they are older ! How do they get repaired? Because there is NO way LHR could close a runway! Same goes for gatwick!!

jackofalltrades

Locker10a wrote: »

What about LHR!!! Thay only have two runways and they get much more wear and tear then 10/28 ! And they are older ! How do they get repaired? Because there is NO way LHR could close a runway! Same goes for gatwick!!

Gatwick has two runways but they can only use one of them at a time, due to there not being enough seperation between them.

roundymac

jackofalltrades wrote: »

Gatwick has two runways but they can only use one of them at a time, due to there not being enough seperation between them.

Not sure if that is quite correct, I think it is taxiway that is used as an emergency runway.

jackofalltrades

roundymac wrote: »

Not sure if that is quite correct, I think it is taxiway that is used as an emergency runway.

No its definetly a runway, its just it's not used that much as the other runway is longer.

Got the info from here:
http://www.ukaccs.info/gatwick/profile.htm

Turbo Porter

Blue Punto wrote: »

The glasshouse (AKA the link)was still there when 28 was operational if i recall correctly (if not im sure someone here will tell me)

I think it was 1986/7 as the pics aint dated so thats a rough guess

It was indeed there when 28 was operational and I have photos from there taken in March 1990....so it still open at that time.

Dublin Spotter

was there much flooding around the airport today.