Rules question

lazywhole

can someone give a ruling please.

we played a fourball on thurs, 3 of us had chipped onto the green and noone had marked their balls before the fourth player had chipped on.
when the fourth person chipped onto the green it hit one of the other balls knocking it into the hole and his ball stayed out.
We all agreed that we would take the ball out of the hole and place it back where it was(all agreed position) and no one would face any penalty

This was not a competition,just friends.Can someone tell us if we were right or if wrong,what is the rule?

thanks in advance

judosean2005

i remember seeing something like this happen in a Pro competition and the Marshall had to ask the crowd whrer to place the ball.
Ok so:
Person 1 was on the green already
person 2 is shipping onto green

and person 2's ball hits persons 1 balls..

Person 2 plays the ball whereever it lays.
Person 1 has to but ball back to where it was when it got hit.

Thats it really.

Sean

golfnut1

lazywhole wrote: »

can someone give a ruling please.

we played a fourball on thurs, 3 of us had chipped onto the green and noone had marked their balls before the fourth player had chipped on.
when the fourth person chipped onto the green it hit one of the other balls knocking it into the hole and his ball stayed out.
We all agreed that we would take the ball out of the hole and place it back where it was(all agreed position) and no one would face any penalty

This was not a competition,just friends.Can someone tell us if we were right or if wrong,what is the rule?

thanks in advance

You were perfectly right.

judosean2005

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e0VGZfzt3F4&feature=relmfu

Sandwlch

What about this version though :

- it is a real qualifying competition
- nobody knows which ball went into the hole:the chipped ball or the one already on the green
- both players playing unmarked same balls and which is which cannot be determined.
- what do you do ????

(have both players 'lost' their balls ?)

Corkblowin

I'm not at my computer now - but I believe that if a player cannot positively identify his ball it has to be deemed lost.

golfnut1

On the first tee you are required to declare what you ball you are playing. This is done so that the aforementioned situation does not arise

Dormy

golfnut1 wrote: »

On the first tee you are required to declare what you ball you are playing. This is done so that the aforementioned situation does not arise

I dont think so. I'm pretty sure declaring which ball you are using and its markings is not a rule.

golfnut1

Dormy wrote: »

I dont think so. I'm pretty sure declaring which ball you are using and its markings is not a rule.

If all players declare what ball they are playing on the first tee then how could the above situation arise?

Sandwlch

golfnut1 wrote: »

If all players declare what ball they are playing on the first tee then how could the above situation arise?

Obvious. If the balls they declare are identical then the situation does arise.

Anyway, it is not a rule to declare your ball.
In this case the balls are identical. Declarations or not.
What happens now ?

Russman

If neither ball can be identified, both are deemed lost.

golfnut1

Sandwlch wrote: »

golfnut1 wrote: »

If all players declare what ball they are playing on the first tee then how could the above situation arise?

Obvious. If the balls they declare are identical then the situation does arise.

Anyway, it is not a rule to declare your ball.
In this case the balls are identical. Declarations or not.
What happens now ?

But sure that is not what happens.
If you declare the same ball one guy changes or marks it and you tee off when your all happy you can identify your own ball. That's why you would never be guessing who's ball is who's on the green

Corkblowin

Finally got to my computer!! Both balls are deemed lost. Below is pasted from the decisions on the rules of golf - www.randa.org

A and B hit their tee shots into the same area. Both balls were found but, because A and B were playing identical balls and neither had put an identification mark on his ball, they could not determine which ball was A's and which was B's. What is the ruling?

Since neither player could identify a ball as his ball, both balls were lost – see Definition of “Lost Ball”.
This incident underlines the advisability of the player putting an identification mark on his ball – see Rules 6-5 and 12-2.

Corkblowin

First line of rule 12-2

The responsibility for playing the proper ball rests with the player. Each player should put an identification mark on his ball.

So while its not compulsory to mark - the rules to recommend it.

fullstop

Sandwlch wrote: »

Obvious. If the balls they declare are identical then the situation does arise.

Anyway, it is not a rule to declare your ball.
In this case the balls are identical. Declarations or not.
What happens now ?

Ah come on...have you ever played in a GUI event? Players are asked to identify their ball before they tee off. If two are playing the same ball with the same mark they're hardly just going to soldier on like that are they?

Edit: kinda misread your original post re real qualifying competition - took this to mean interclub event or similar but you may just mean club comp...point still stands though