Fuel Poverty

4leto

Just looking at something on the Beeb if you spend more then 10% of your income on fuel you are in fuel poverty.

According to the link below 2,500 homes a month are disconnected from their gas and electricity in Ireland.

If that is true that is truly shocking, I can't even function when there is a brief power cut, how would anyone in this age live without power, never mind heating. But I don't know anyone who has had their power or gas disconnected. But with fuel costs only going one way UP and incomes going down, its only a matter of time before I do.

What can be done.

http://www.google.ie/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=3&sqi=2&ved=0CEMQFjAC&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwood-pellet-ireland.blogspot.com%2F2010%2F12%2Fshocking-fuel-poverty-in-ireland.html&ei=4NieTuCxI8ODhQfF5PRX&usg=AFQjCNGS3yV1iWZGHZHdBswr2iVv4S54Jw

orourkeda

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nm6DO_7px1I

admiralofthefleet

UK prime minister david cameron called an energy summit the other day to discuss why prices are so high
why arent we doing the same?

orourkeda

admiralofthefleet wrote: »

UK prime minister david cameron called an energy summit the other day to discuss why prices are so high
why arent we doing the same?

Because ireland is the rip off capital of europe

smk89

admiralofthefleet wrote: »

UK prime minister david cameron called an energy summit the other day to discuss why prices are so high
why arent we doing the same?

Because with 64 million people and a successful economy they have the power to change things.
We with 4 and no economy have no chance.

4leto

admiralofthefleet wrote: »

UK prime minister david cameron called an energy summit the other day to discuss why prices are so high
why arent we doing the same?

I don't think there is anything we can do, the price of fuels are set by the market and with the ever increasing demand fron the East the prices are only going Up Up and Up.

danniemcq

we should invade Shell, take our gas back

that or iraq

orourkeda

smk89 wrote: »

Because with 64 million people and a successful economy they have the power to change things.
We with 4 and no economy have no chance.

That might be stretching it a little

Saila

yet another useless statistic :rolleyes:

moceri

Padraig mc Manus needs all of his 750K so that he can continue to live the lifestyle to which he is accustomed.

admiralofthefleet

smk89 wrote: »

Because with 64 million people and a successful economy they have the power to change things.
We with 4 and no economy have no chance.

they are worse off than us, when the olympics are finished next year the shit will really hit the fan

orourkeda

danniemcq wrote: »

we should invade Shell, take our gas back

that or iraq

Saudi Arabia perhaps?

admiralofthefleet

4leto wrote: »

I don't think there is anything we can do, the price of fuels are set by the market and with the ever increasing demand fron the East the prices are only going Up Up and Up.

its set by the energy regulator

Saila

4leto wrote: »

I don't think there is anything we can do, the price of fuels are set by the market and with the ever increasing demand fron the East the prices are only going Up Up and Up.

get those fcukers away from that protest in bogland and let shell come ashore!

ejmaztec

The 87 cent per litre that I paid for heating oil yesterday would be a bargain if I happened to be earning €20,000,000 a year, and I wouldn't even notice the ESB increase that's just landed.

lawhec

Sooner rather than later Ireland (both sides of the border) will need to become more self-sufficient in its energy production than having to increasingly rely more on imported fuels. Wherever this should be achieved by renewables, nuclear, hydro etc. needs to be talked about fairly quickly to address infrastructure needs and more controlling of its own costs, because I don't see crude oil going back down to US$10 a barrel any time soon.

admiralofthefleet

we have massive potential if we used the wind and wave energy on our doorstep, we should develop both as a means of providing energy and sell off the electricity, through the interconnector

Saila

ejmaztec wrote: »

The 87 cent per litre that I paid for heating oil yesterday would be a bargain if I happened to be earning €20,000,000 a year, and I wouldn't even notice the ESB increase that's just landed.

so your fuel bill is.......... €2,000,000 :eek::eek::eek::eek:

4leto

admiralofthefleet wrote: »

its set by the energy regulator

But doesn't he set the price according to market prices, he can't under price it.

4leto

admiralofthefleet wrote: »

we have massive potential if we used the wind and wave energy on our doorstep, we should develop both as a means of providing energy and sell off the electricity, through the interconnector

No we don't Denmark who have the greatest proportion of their energy supplied by wind have not succeeded in decommissioning one fossil fuel station, with wind its a case of here today and gone tomorrow. Also wind has not succeeded in taking one gramme of carbon out of the atmosphere. Wind energy is a con, which the Germand and the Danes succeeded in getting on the EU energy charter because its a very big employer in those countries.

From des spielgel

http://www.google.ie/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=1&sqi=2&ved=0CBgQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiegel.de%2Finternational%2Fbusiness%2F0%2C1518%2C606763%2C00.html&ei=hd-eTpSdOMWj-gb4wIWbDw&usg=AFQjCNETUiy-sO99wXkyMLc0SQiZoz8eRg

ejmaztec

Saila wrote: »

so your fuel bill is.......... €2,000,000 :eek::eek::eek::eek:

It might just as fuckin well be:mad:

jester77

4leto wrote: »

Just looking at something on the Beeb if you spend more then 10% of your income on fuel you are in fuel poverty.

According to the link below 2,500 homes a month are disconnected from their gas and electricity in Ireland.

If that is true that is truly shocking, I can't even function when there is a brief power cut, how would anyone in this age live without power, never mind heating. But I don't know anyone who has had their power or gas disconnected. But with fuel costs only going one way UP and incomes going down, its only a matter of time before I do.

What can be done.

http://www.google.ie/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=3&sqi=2&ved=0CEMQFjAC&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwood-pellet-ireland.blogspot.com%2F2010%2F12%2Fshocking-fuel-poverty-in-ireland.html&ei=4NieTuCxI8ODhQfF5PRX&usg=AFQjCNGS3yV1iWZGHZHdBswr2iVv4S54Jw

Does the 10% also include transport fuel, ie petrol/diesel/etc? As I can see how it would be easy to hit 10% if it did.

smash

admiralofthefleet wrote: »

its set by the energy regulator

And we all know he's a cúnt... prices must be near 200% of what they were 2 years ago.

heyjude

admiralofthefleet wrote: »

UK prime minister david cameron called an energy summit the other day to discuss why prices are so high
why arent we doing the same?

Reminds me of an episode of Yes Minister/Primeminister, when they had a problem, didn't want to do anything about it, but wanted to seem as though they were doing something. If you want to do something you do it, if you don't want to solve it, but you need to appear as though you do, then you set up an enquiry, commission, tribunal, committee or in this case, a summit, to look into it. They don't need a summit to increase taxes now, or cut them when an election is looming, so this will be a talking shop and will produce little or nothing at the end.

As for people suggesting that our energy/fuel bills would be lower if we were more self sufficient, we produce turf and peat briquettes as well as some of the natural gas we use, but turf/briquette prices are related to coal/oil prices and our natural gas prices are based on the international price of natural gas, by producing locally we just pay any fuel price increases to a different company/supplier. The same applies to renewables, if we had extensive wind/tidal power stations supplying the national grid, they would still expect to be paid per unit, a price related to the unit price paid to the major source of generation(namely oil or gas). If the renewables ever produce for much less than that, they will just make greater profits.

Unique User Name

On average per month over the course of the year my esb bill is maybe -100 euro then for petrol another 200 euro which is 300 a month. If the 10% is from your income after tax then it's just over 10% of mine.

4leto

jester77 wrote: »

Does the 10% also include transport fuel, ie petrol/diesel/etc? As I can see how it would be easy to hit 10% if it did.

Yes it does, but that is the British figure I was unable to find the Irish one, but I imagine its similar.

Everyone has central heating now, I remember when it was just a coal or turf fire. I some times wonder do we need every room in the house heated. Would you really freeze to death going to make a cup of tea if your hall was cold.

Also fine failure really and truly missed an opportunity during the building boom. They really should have set the highest building standards for insulation and triple glazing. But they didn't because they were Fianna Fail.

Absurdum

moceri wrote: »

Padraig mc Manus needs all of his 750K so that he can continue to live the lifestyle to which he is accustomed.

what do you know about the man's lifestyle?

4leto

smash wrote: »

And we all know he's a cúnt... prices must be near 200% of what they were 2 years ago.

Its kind of complex, it was the greens. He set the price high so the ESB could pay for the extra grid and the stupid wind mills. Also he allowed the competition lower prices so they could increase market share and we would have competitiveness in the market, he succeeded, now what he should do is step back and allow market forces take over.

Its bizarre I don't think there is another country in the world in the same situation. ESB is selling the power to Bord Gais, they are selling it on the the consumer at a cheaper rate. Now the ESB have entered the gas market.

But the funny thing both of these are state companies and very inefficient ones at that.

Ellis Dee

admiralofthefleet wrote: »

UK prime minister david cameron called an energy summit the other day to discuss why prices are so high
why arent we doing the same?

Cameron knows bloody well why prices are too high: the capitalist interests that he and his party support (and which helped put him in power) are being allowed to rip the people off.:rolleyes::rolleyes:

We in Ireland don't need a summit to know that.:mad:

smash

4leto wrote: »

But the funny thing both of these are state companies and very inefficient ones at that.

And when there was talks about selling the ESB shares, or part of them. The unions went nuts... god forbid their members should be forced to become efficient at their jobs.

4leto

Ellis Dee wrote: »

Cameron knows bloody well why prices are too high: the capitalist interests that he and his party support (and which helped put him in power) are being allowed to rip the people off.:rolleyes::rolleyes:

We in Ireland don't need a summit to know that.:mad:

I wish that was true, but it isn't, its supply and demand, there just simply isn't an over capacity of supply, it is been used almost the instant it comes out of the ground and more is needed.

tfitzgerald

smash wrote: »

And when there was talks about selling the ESB shares, or part of them. The unions went nuts... god forbid their members should be forced to become efficient at their jobs.

I agree the avarage wage in the esb is 75000

Tazz T

Why don't we dig up all that oil and gas off the coast? Could provide valuable jobs too.

Oh, that's right, someone in the government gave it away for free.

Absurdum

Tazz T wrote: »

Why don't we dig up all that oil and gas off the coast? Could provide valuable jobs too.

Oh, that's right, someone in the government gave it away for free.

ya like all we need is a few lads with shovels and we'd be rich again

galah

as much as I think the energy prices are way too high, and that we could use natural resources to generate cheaper energy - I also think people should look at the way they use their electricity/gas/etc before they start p*ssing and moaning about high energy bills...

I know people who frequently run a full wash for (I am not making this up) a towel and a pair of socks. And then proceed to dry these in the clothes dryer on full whack. Leave the house fully illuminated, all lights, all rooms. Tele on and no ones in the room to watch it. Immersion running constantly (cause it's nice to have hot water on tap ALL the time). Dishwasher on for a couple of plates and a fork. And then complain/are horrenduously outraged about their ESB bills.

That also goes for unnecessary car trips (driving to the shops if you could walk), heating rooms that don't need to be heated, or heating rooms to a high temperature so one can sit in shorts and T-shirt - rather than turning it down and putting a jumper on, the list is endless...


so before you call yourself "fuel poor", look at your behaviour...

ejmaztec

Absurdum wrote: »

ya like all we need is a few lads with shovels and we'd be rich again

They might be able to get a bit of oil on a shovel, but the gas might be a problem.:(

Heroditas

admiralofthefleet wrote: »

its set by the energy regulator

Energy regulator doesn't set oil prices or coal prices or even turf prices.
The only regulated energy price in the Irish market is the gas prices charged by Bord Gáis on certain tariffs.
All other prices are set by the suppliers.

4leto

galah wrote: »

as much as I think the energy prices are way too high, and that we could use natural resources to generate cheaper energy - I also think people should look at the way they use their electricity/gas/etc before they start p*ssing and moaning about high energy bills...

I know people who frequently run a full wash for (I am not making this up) a towel and a pair of socks. And then proceed to dry these in the clothes dryer on full whack. Leave the house fully illuminated, all lights, all rooms. Tele on and no ones in the room to watch it. Immersion running constantly (cause it's nice to have hot water on tap ALL the time). Dishwasher on for a couple of plates and a fork. And then complain/are horrenduously outraged about their ESB bills.

That also goes for unnecessary car trips (driving to the shops if you could walk), heating rooms that don't need to be heated, or heating rooms to a high temperature so one can sit in shorts and T-shirt - rather than turning it down and putting a jumper on, the list is endless...


so before you call yourself "fuel poor", look at your behaviour...

I know people like that to, its nice been able to afford to be able to behave like that.

Honey-ec

4leto wrote: »

I some times wonder do we need every room in the house heated. Would you really freeze to death going to make a cup of tea if your hall was cold.

Zoned heating ftw. Turn off the radiators in any rooms that aren't used and keep the doors closed. We have the radiators turned off in the two spare bedrooms, the main bathroom (it's not used) and under the stairs. Why the builders thought it was even necessary to install a radiator there, I'm not entirely sure, but there you go.

If I had my way, I'd ban tumble-dryers outright.

bonzodog2

PITY THE FUEL !

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtccYv0BJSs

Honey-ec

Honey-ec wrote: »

Zoned heating ftw. Turn off the radiators in any rooms that aren't used and keep the doors closed. We have the radiators turned off in the two spare bedrooms, the main bathroom (it's not used) and under the stairs. Why the builders thought it was even necessary to install a radiator there, I'm not entirely sure, but there you go.

If I had my way, I'd ban tumble-dryers outright.

Zoned heating is great! Each room has its own 'stat I set the temperature then the missus comes along and ups it! And then wonders why the fuel bill is high in a well insulated house! :mad: