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Family PC recommendation please

  • 19-10-2011 1:54pm
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,539 ✭✭✭


    Hi all,

    I've an 11 year old boy who's into all things gadget. He mastered my Android phone a couple of years ago (now has my old cast off android phone), loves messing around on the HP Touchpad I bought a few weeks ago for general browsing, watching movies and emailing etc on the move and is mad into Minecraft which he installed on my work laptop and is constantly adding mods to etc.

    I don't want my work laptop to be wrecked by him but I do want to encourage his interest in all things IT in a controlled manner so it's time to get a family PC which we can all use but it will probably be more important to and used by the 11 year old than anyone else.

    I definitely don't want to get a laptop as the temptation to bring it to his bedroom and play all night or surf onto the type of websites all (soon to be) teenagers will find their way onto will be too much and cause serious grief. I want the PC in our living room where we can control the amount of time he spends on it and the very location of the PC will act as somewhat of a deterent to inappropriate surfing. (Along with NetNAnny or similar ;) )

    Bearing the above in mind what PC would you recommend I get? Like everyone these days I'm looking to get the maximum bang for the minimum € outlay.

    These two Dell machines caught my eye but I can't really see much difference between them other than one is 3kg heavier than the other :eek:

    This Inspiron 620 http://www.dell.com/ie/p/inspiron-620/pd?oc=d006202&model_id=inspiron-620#TechSpec

    or this XPS 8300 http://www.dell.com/ie/p/xps-8300/pd?oc=d00x8301&model_id=xps-8300#TechSpec

    A Dell 24" monitor is €192 on top which would bring the total package to around €700.

    Are there better/more suitable machines out there???

    Ben


Comments

  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 301 ✭✭the_tractor


    If he's doing a bit of gaming it would be better with the Inspiron, as it has a separate graphics card, whereas the XPS only has a graphics chip integrated to the mother board.

    Plus the Insprion has more RAM too.


  • Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 11,017 Mod ✭✭✭✭yoyo


    If you want a new computer you are mostly always better of building the machine yourself, it will work out cheaper mostly and will be more upgradeable/modifyable down the road. Ask the lads here about what you want and they'll spec something up. You can even get the likes of Hardwareversand to build the machine for you if your not comfortable with the idea, but its quite easy to do yourself :) . If you want to see what it involves Youtube "Build computer" or something, loads of vid tutorials out there!
    As for the monitoring you can get K-9 Internet Security which allows you to specify internet time limits, it will also block 'dodgy' sites and you can add new ones to it's blacklist. I've played around with it before messing and its very hard to bypass, disabling it the usual ways cuts off the internet completely!

    Nick


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,367 ✭✭✭fionny




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,851 ✭✭✭massy086


    self build is your best way to go as in the future he can upgrade parts as he gets more into it its not that hard to do and would be great learning for you both if u need any help feel free to drop me a pm if you are Dublin based and bang for your buck you will save money big time


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,539 ✭✭✭BenEadir


    Self build is definitely not an option for me, it would end up being more like self break than self build - just not my thing!!

    I think the Inspiron 620 MT for €399 inc VAT and delivery (see attached spec sheet) + this 24" Acer monitor from Komplett for €149 http://www.komplett.ie/Komplett/product/ZKB_04RAND/16_MONITOR/01_MONITOR/productdetails/80003788/Acer_24_G245HQBID_LCD_2ms_VGA_DVI_HDMI/ET_UG5HE_019/default.aspx and these speakers for €39.99 http://www.komplett.ie/Komplett/product/ZKB_04RAND/23_SPEAKER/02_SPEAKER/productdetails/10017056/Creative_Inspire_T10_PC_multimedia_speakers_10/51MF1600AA000/default.aspx represents fairly good value at €590 all in and should do the trick for an all round family PC which is going to be used for Minecraft type gaming quite a bit?

    Or is this a better all in one option? http://www.harveynorman.ie/acer-dual-core-m3910.html

    Opinions or alternative suggestions anyone??

    Ben


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,789 ✭✭✭✭ScumLord


    BenEadir wrote: »
    Self build is definitely not an option for me, it would end up being more like self break than self build - just not my thing!!
    Putting a PC together is much easier than you'd think, it's almost at lego stage. If your getting the PC for the express purpose of keeping technology in a kids life it would be a much better lesson for the kid to be involved in building a PC.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,456 ✭✭✭FSL


    ScumLord wrote: »
    Putting a PC together is much easier than you'd think, it's almost at lego stage. If your getting the PC for the express purpose of keeping technology in a kids life it would be a much better lesson for the kid to be involved in building a PC.

    Six years ago I supervised a group of sixth class national school children whilst they built four machines. The parents had raised the funds and by building them they got four machines with a better specification for the same cost as two and a half off the shelf lower spec ones.

    It was a small rural school they worked in pairs and the machines are still running.

    The fact that they had actually built them boosted their confidence and the respect the machines were treated with.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,539 ✭✭✭BenEadir


    I appreciate and respect that you both want to promote self building of PC's guys but I'm simply not interested. I have never been into any sort of DIY or meccano type activities and I ain't starting now.

    I just want some advice on the best off the shelf solution for my requirements i.e. a decent desktop PC for the family which will crack through Minecraft and RPG type online gaming.

    Anyone got any comments on the machine I spec'd out above???

    Ben


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,851 ✭✭✭massy086


    none of the above pc,s will be any good for gaming at all .if you want rpg online games to play you will have to look at maybe this http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=FS-210-OK and then add a monitor


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,789 ✭✭✭✭ScumLord


    BenEadir wrote: »
    I appreciate and respect that you both want to promote self building of PC's guys but I'm simply not interested. I have never been into any sort of DIY or meccano type activities and I ain't starting now.
    I can appreciate that but at the same time if this is a computer for a kid then introducing them to something like the concept of building their own PC could be a good thing. I think it would help build an appreciation for the machine and just give them a much better understanding of what's happening.

    You may be afraid of condemning the child to a live of geekdom but it pays off in the long run. :D


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,539 ✭✭✭BenEadir


    ScumLord wrote: »
    You may be afraid of condemning the child to a live of geekdom :D
    You're dead right there ;)

    Thanks for the recommendation Massey, given his age and my budget (€600 max inc OS and monitor delivered) I'll just have to go with the Dell Inspiron I guess.

    In 3-4 years when he's 14/15 if he's into RPG's we can look at a game centric machine then but for now all I need is something which will play Minecraft. My old 3 year old laptop seems to handle that fine so I'm assuming a new i3 based desktop machine won't have any problems on that score.

    Ben


  • Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 11,017 Mod ✭✭✭✭yoyo


    BenEadir wrote: »
    You're dead right there ;)

    Thanks for the recommendation Massey, given his age and my budget (€600 max inc OS and monitor delivered) I'll just have to go with the Dell Inspiron I guess.

    In 3-4 years when he's 14/15 if he's into RPG's we can look at a game centric machine then but for now all I need is something which will play Minecraft. My old 3 year old laptop seems to handle that fine so I'm assuming a new i3 based desktop machine won't have any problems on that score.

    Ben

    That Inspiron you linked to would be useless for gaming (Only Onboard Video), it will play Minecraft ok, and Flash games ok, but good luck playing much else new games on it. Thats more of an Office PC spec, fast for using the net/applications etc but not for gaming.
    If fact looks like you may even have issues running Minecraft on that machine, source. If you did go for that machine you'd need to buy a dedicated video card, which would be a minimum of €40-€50, thats relying on the fact Dell include a PCIe port on that model lines motherboard (this is likely).
    You could get a decent PC specced up by Hardwareversand, for €30 they'll put it together for you, ask over here with your budget and requirements and people will help


    Nick


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