This generation can't do it

ScumLord

I think at this stage we the Irish people should admit our generation hasn't got the skills or ability to fix our own messes. We're to self centred, to argumentative and too ignorant to really improve our country.

I think our best hope for the future is to seriously invest in our education system in the hope we can breed much better people for the future that can just take the reigns off us and run this country properly.

Children should be taught productive politics from a young age, we don't teach them how to get their way or use PR to avoid any real work we teach them how to communicate and compromise productively so in 20 years we'll have politicians that can actually work in the best interests of the people and a populace that knows how to track what they're doing to keep them honest (as we can't rely on the media).

It could go on to focus on helping people deal with information and separate the useful from the fanciful more than just filling their heads up with lots of information that is irrelevant to them at that time. People have their whole lives to learn about the world and it seems going on past experience that it's a pointless waste of time and resources trying to force information on a person if they have no interest in it.

I think the knowledge to carry this off is already out there and can be easily applied, it could be the only saving grace of this hedonistic generation because I really don't see this generation mobilising.

Caveman1

Eh ok

super_furry

Blow it all up and start again.

stovelid

It were different in mah day, I tell yer.

All this has happened before, all this will happen again. Except next time it'll be down to a really fit blond cylon instead of people like Fingleton.

Nolanger

An entire generation educated in school by women teachers. Says it all.

cosmicfart

what about this generation though, what should we do in the meantime? Legalise weed and hooker to pass the time? Drop out of the Euro and tell Germany they aint getting their money back? and the big daddy of them all, use apes to fly us into space instead of AI?

fontanalis

ScumLord wrote: »

I think at this stage we the Irish people should admit our generation hasn't got the skills or ability to fix our own messes. We're to self centred, to argumentative and too ignorant to really improve our country.

I think our best hope for the future is to seriously invest in our education system in the hope we can breed much better people for the future that can just take the reigns off us and run this country properly.

Children should be taught productive politics from a young age, we don't teach them how to get their way or use PR to avoid any real work we teach them how to communicate and compromise productively so in 20 years we'll have politicians that can actually work in the best interests of the people and a populace that knows how to track what they're doing to keep them honest (as we can't rely on the media).

It could go on to focus on helping people deal with information and separate the useful from the fanciful more than just filling their heads up with lots of information that is irrelevant to them at that time. People have their whole lives to learn about the world and it seems going on past experience that it's a pointless waste of time and resources trying to force information on a person if they have no interest in it.

I think the knowledge to carry this off is already out there and can be easily applied, it could be the only saving grace of this hedonistic generation because I really don't see this generation mobilising.

Technically it was people from the older generation that caused the mess and didn't know how to deal with it.
I don't disagree that the current generation has a high population of muppets and psychos but it annoys me when the wise old elders tut tut about young people while the gombeen system they fed and fostered has got Ireland to where it is.

MrStuffins

Country is in the sh*t, invest in education eh?

Your ideas are revolutionary. Pure inspiration, how has nobody thought of this before!?!

Scumlord for President of the World or something!

meditraitor

I see no point in pursuing this course of action,

Plautus

Nolanger wrote: »

An entire generation educated in school by women teachers. Says it all.

... John Waters? Is that you?

Son Of A Vidic

ScumLord wrote: »

Children should be taught productive politics from a young age

Personally I'd start with the useless shower of kunts in the Dáil. They wouldn't know productive politics if it kicked them in the face. I see your point though OP, but we just can't afford to wait 20 - 30 years for these kids to be ready to manage competently.

super_furry

See what happens when we turn our backs on the church?

Tis God punishing up all!

mikemac

Is that you Bill Cullen?

fontanalis

super_furry wrote: »

See what happens when we turn our backs on the church?

Tis God punishing up all!

You're right; he loved us in the 1840's (and the 1940's, 1950's, 1960's etc).

amacca

Dónal wrote: »

All this has happened before, all this will happen again. Except next time it'll be down to a really fit blond cylon instead of people like Fingleton.

frack that in a tight red dress!

MrStuffins

mikemac wrote: »

Is that you Bill Cullen?

What this country needs is warriors!

4leto

Its not the young peoples fault the mess they are in and its hopeless for them, there is no work for them and there is no where to emigrate.

I feel sorry for them.

pavb2

In answer to the thread title

Yes we can

mikemac

ScumLord wrote: »

I think our best hope for the future is to seriously invest in our education system in the hope we can breed much better people for the future that can just take the reigns off us and run this country properly.

This sounds like the UK with public schoolboys going to Eton and other top places to be the elites and future leaders, army officers and politicans

Of course many of them end up as tax frauds and adulterers and definitely not people to look up to

Plautus

mikemac wrote: »

Is that you Bill Cullen?

Don't be silly. Bill never uses words like 'hedonistic'. That's for spoofers and intellectual types!

ScumLord

cosmicfart wrote: »

what about this generation though, what should we do in the meantime? Legalise weed and hooker to pass the time? Drop out of the Euro and tell Germany they aint getting their money back? and the big daddy of them all, use apes to fly us into space instead of AI?

We set up the education system to look out for the future and get our heads down and pay off our stupid debts so that next generation has a chance.

fontanalis wrote: »

Technically it was people from the older generation that caused the mess and didn't know how to deal with it.

The older generation is past it, we can't keep blaiming them when we do nothing better.

Corvus Maximus wrote: »

Personally I'd start with the useless shower of kunts in the Dáil.

But we won't, we've been saying that for years now and it's all the same. Some of us may think it but none of us will act.

fontanalis

Corvus Maximus wrote: »

Personally I'd start with the useless shower of kunts in the Dáil. They wouldn't know productive politics if it kicked them in the face. I see your point though OP, but we just can't afford to wait 20 - 30 years for these kids to be ready to manage competently.

They just didn't walk in there; there's also a good chance someone from the Soldiers of Bankruptcy might be president.

AhSureTisGrand

Plautus wrote: »

... John Waters? Is that you?

Tyler Duren by the looks of it

Temptamperu

pavb2 wrote: »

In answer to the thread title

Yes we can

But we would rather sit in where it is warm and eat crisps and drink coke/overpriced beer.

hooradiation

Nolanger wrote: »

An entire generation educated in school by women teachers. Says it all.

Women - is there anything that they can't be irrationally blamed for?

weemcd

I'm not sure what generation you are referring to OP, but the big problems that society are facing at present, in relation to economy, debt, unemployment etc. would be more the responsibility of those several generations older than myself (23), aka over-the-hill politicians and the like...

Ellis Dee

As the Portlaoise politician Joe "The Hesh" McCormack once said: "It's not the parents I blame, but the mothers and fathers.":D

3rdDegree

These things come on cycles. OP, some day YOU will be that older generation being blamed for some astronomical f-up!

Personally, I blame Dev and Collins. All this would never have happened if they had just let Pierce and the boys rest in peace. GOD SAVE HER MAJESTY!

ScumLord

3rdDegree wrote: »

These things come on cycles. OP, some day YOU will be that older generation being blamed for some astronomical f-up!

I am the middle aged generation I'm talking about, I'm including myself.

Adamantium

And how is education supposed to make me feel smarter? Besides, every time I learn something new, it pushes some old stuff out of my brain. Remember when I took that home winemaking course, and I forgot how to drive? --Homer Simpson

Chuck Stone

hooradiation wrote: »

Women - is there anything that they can't be irrationally blamed for?

Tornadoes.

Saila

get off my lawn! :mad:

amacachi

The current young generation? Maybe they should take their cue from the middle-aged generation who got us into this debt mess and voted FF in time after or time. Or maybe the older generation who in 1986 still had enough power to prevent divorce being legalised and even in 1995 almost blocked it again. Or maybe the older again generation who loved Dev so much and thought it was a good plan to piss off the only trading partner we had. Or maybe all the generations who up til about 20 years ago let the Church and State rape and beat kids without anything being done about it.


But yeah, these kids with their technology, they're the worst!

Mighty_Mouse

Today is where its at.
This generation whether you like it or not is the pinnacle of human evolution. We're currently at our most advance stage as a civilisation.
We know more about the world than ever before.
Our imagination & inventiveness has continued to break boundaries previously unimagined.

Is all about the tools we use.
From the donkey bone to the flint we're always been defined by what we use to create.

Old folks simply dont have the skills or understanding to appreciate whats been created by the generation behind them. So they piss & moan about the language & maths not realising that the generation behind them use's text messages & calculators facilitating instant world-wide communication & quantum physics.

foxyboxer

Nolanger wrote: »

An entire generation educated in school by women teachers. Says it all.

Delta Women Teachers * Delta Christian Brother teachers >= Secondary School Teachers who couldn't give a **** / 2

= me

mawk

Jesus rebalancing christ.. Why would we teach children to be polititians?
Thats a terrible idea.

The skills are by no means lacking to fix the countries woes, just the will to use them. years of industry have beaten truths and skills into us.
100 engineers, a six sigma book and 12 months would turn the country on its head and fix decades of poor decisions.
But people are not willing to have this happen. Not least because it would put a lot of people out of their own jobs.

I wouldn't make myself redundant.

Dotrel

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjBO8gCzhmY

starlit

Honestly, its the generation before us or a few generations ahead of us cannot do it by pulling back this country up together again. It's a case of Humpty Dumpty he never be the same and always be broken and couldn't be put back together again!

It's my generation and generation just before us and the generations after us are paying for this mess that older generations got us into. If anyone is to clean it up its the elder generations and they ain't doing a very good job!

I am coming close to half a thousand job applications and offered very few interviews though quiet a few in this economic climate but still can't get a god damn job that's suitable and that I am suitable candidate for role, not a happy bunny. Going abroad, leaving home right now or starting a business is not an option for me as I couldn't afford either and I have not got a full licence so limited with locations. Have tried to get into all types of employment and still can't find work. It's crazy. Just madness.

Have had three rejections already from the past two days for jobs I only applied for over the weekend not even an interview! I spend all my time filling out and sending out applications why do I bother and for what like. Time wasting more like. Its just endless and bleak and no sign of a yes its all no no no!

Kanoe

sometimes stuff skips a generation.

ScumLord

Adamantium wrote: »

And how is education supposed to make me feel smarter?

It's not, you like me are a lost cause.

amacachi wrote: »

The current young generation? Maybe they should take their cue from the middle-aged generation who got us into this debt mess a

See argumentative, instead of dealing with the problem we choose to attack and throw blame at others.

mawk wrote: »

Jesus rebalancing christ.. Why would we teach children to be polititians?

We're not teaching them to be politicians we're teaching them politics.

pavb2

Reading the posts it strikes me that there doesn,t seem to be any coherent 6 month, 18 month, 3 year, 5 year coherent plan.Everything seems to be a reaction to the next crisis.

We have the annual budget I think this should be shortened to every 6 months given the changes.Yes we had the jobs initiative in May and the recent conference but not sure how effective these are.

Surely some sort of goals specifically unemployment which to my mind is the one if not the biggest issue should be set and a strategy employed to achieve this. Unless there's stuff going on in the background that I'm unaware of.

goose2005

Nolanger wrote: »

An entire generation educated in school by women teachers. Says it all.

Virtually everyone who caused the recession was aged 50-70 and was educated by a fat Christian Brother who banged a hurley on the table.