Rebodied Range Rover Classic

jizzyboner

Hi guys
Not sure if this is the right forum so apologies if it should be in 4x4.

Anyway, I've seen this guy advertise on Donedeal for a good while now, but only recently started seriously thinking about getting a RR Classic. I was wondering if anyone here knew who this guy is and had any dealings with him. He seems to do a lot with both Discoverys and RRC. Just wondering really if it's a good idea to be buying something that's been mixed and matched.

http://cars.donedeal.ie/for-sale/vintagecars/2454157

http://cars.donedeal.ie/for-sale/cars/2300749

On Cartell the 2 discovery reg numbers, 764URI and ZV53101, are coming up as a Rover Unknown, petrol and gas (764URI), and the other one is coming up as Land Rover, Series III, Rover Range TDi, Diesel.

I have also seen the 764URI reg on a different blue RRC like in the 2nd link.

Really I was hoping that someone here knows who is selling these and if they're legit. Or there maybe other people in Ireland doing the same with old chassis and newer bodies.

Many thanks.

Pat

Justjens

Nothing illegal with what he is doing, once the chassis is over 30 years old, it does not seem to matter what's on top.

Opinions are divided on whether what he is doing is having a detrimental effect on the cheap tax we as classic car drivers benefit from.

goochy

remember tracey motors in churchtown and john stanley in ballyknocken use to do this in 90s, however classic range rovers in decent nick are worth more tan discos n the uk anyway

jizzyboner

Justjens wrote: »

Nothing illegal with what he is doing, once the chassis is over 30 years old, it does not seem to matter what's on top.

Opinions are divided on whether what he is doing is having a detrimental effect on the cheap tax we as classic car drivers benefit from.

Thanks

I was really just wondering if anyone has had any dealings with this guy as he seems to be advertising on donedeal for a long time.

Would rather deal with someone recommended when buying a used vehicle, especially anything from Land Rover.

jizzyboner

goochy wrote: »

remember tracey motors in churchtown and john stanley in ballyknocken use to do this in 90s, however classic range rovers in decent nick are worth more tan discos n the uk anyway

Yeah have seen some crazy priced RR Classics lately. Crazy as in priced more than some 02-04 L322 Range Rovers.

Thanks

101sean

I'd be very wary. There are genuine rebuilds on early chassis, all RR classic (except LSE and late soft dash) and Disco 1 are fundamentally the same chassis and at least one guy is doing it properly with a back order list. However I've seen a 94ish Range Rover LSE on ZV plates, something that's impossible to rechassis.

Personally, I wouldn't buy any of those.

hi5

Ask for photographic evidence of the old body being lifted and seperated from the chassis.
Anyone genuine would want to remove all doubt.

jizzyboner

101sean wrote: »

I'd be very wary. There are genuine rebuilds on early chassis, all RR classic (except LSE and late soft dash) and Disco 1 are fundamentally the same chassis and at least one guy is doing it properly with a back order list. However I've seen a 94ish Range Rover LSE on ZV plates, something that's impossible to rechassis.

Personally, I wouldn't buy any of those.

Thanks Sean

Just out of curiosity, what was the difference with the chassis of the late soft dash? i understand it with the LSE as it had a longer wheelbase, but I always assumed that all others were the same since day 1.

Am I allowed to ask who is the guy who is doing it properly? Maybe you can PM me his details.

Thanks again.

jizzyboner

hi5 wrote: »

Ask for photographic evidence of the old body being lifted and seperated from the chassis.
Anyone genuine would want to remove all doubt.

Good thinking. I never thought of that. Glad one of us is awake.

si_guru

You cannot galvanise an old chassis... It is not economically viable. If he fits a new chassis then it is still the new vehicle not the old one. It's like claiming a Mondeo could be vintage because you fitted some hubcaps that would also fit a Cortina.

I am guessing those are uk/jap imports probably with IDs from scrapped vehicles. ..they might even be stolen to make it even more profitable.

Two of those motors have odd and cheap tyres.. would you not fit new tyres given all the other work he has allegedly done?

Given the fuel costs of a Land Rover - saving the the tax means very little! and avoiding the NCT... well that's like avoiding the dentist.

All IMHO - no doubt the "sure we're not a Police state and the local Gard's grand" brigade will shoot me down now.

101sean

It's not worth galvanising a modern chassis and there's a couple of suppliers doing new ones anyway for a grand or so. You can galvanise an older chassis, lot of 101 owners do it but it isn't cheap due to the amount of prep work. We may do it on the 59 Series 2 we've just got.

Not sure on the chassis differences on late RR, may be to do with air suspension.

I don't have details of the guy doing it legally, it's a word of mouth thing and I can't even remember his name, sorry.

carchaeologist

si_guru wrote: »

You cannot galvanise an old chassis... It is not economically viable..

But it is possible to do, if you are sadistic enough?

Anan1

si_guru wrote: »

and avoiding the NCT... well that's like avoiding the dentist.

Great analogy!

Basil Fawlty

Plenty of the Land Rover lads get chassis's galvinised. Its not that expensive and if your building your own vehicle and going to that much trouble its exactly what you would do. Also nobody sells 100 inch chassis new so thats why no one buys them.

Please do not assume that just because you would not or can not do the work that someone else has not.

Basil Fawlty

si_guru wrote: »

I am guessing those are uk/jap imports probably with IDs from scrapped vehicles. ..they might even be stolen to make it even more profitable.

I really dont think its fair to be making that sort of allegation. I have no association but thats a guys business your talking about.

mb1725

That's a wild looking yoke!! I had to do a double take at the pic.

101sean

There was a spate of them in the 70's and early 80s, most are 6x4, rear axle isn't driven but there were some 6x6s. Many went to the Middle East where a lot of custom Rangies were sold.

The largest production was Carmichael Commando and Gloster Saro crash rescue tenders for the RAF and civilian airfield operators. Think I posted something on another thread somewhere on here a couple of weeks ago.

Ford4000

si_guru and 101sean thats just plain rubbish, there are loads of landy men up my way that galvanise chassis, off road men, serious vintage men, even farmers that want their landys to last, ive prepped 2 for fellas that just wouldnt have the time to do so or a shed to work in, its not that much work, laziness and overpricing of work would be the biggest factor.....

101sean

I never said it wasn't possible to galvanise a chassis, indeed I know several 101 owners who have done it. You do need to consider whether it's worth it when you can buy almost any chassis to the correct pattern and galvanised for around £1000 - 1500 (inc 100"). It's the route a lot of owners are going down, there's a couple of guys bringing new chassis over here regularly.

It's definitely worth repairing and galvanising the bulkhead and all the other steel components, they are silly money to buy already done from Samara and Ashtree

mk1esc

best thing to do is go and view, bring someone with you who knows about these cars....no prices are advertised so god only knows what he is asking for them......

there is a guy on the aughrim to rathdrum road that sells landrovers, no idea of his number but he has a few models over there....im sure he knows his stuff