Computer Science and Business?

Emz93

Hey I'm not sure if this is a stupid question or not but was just wondering which would be a better degree, Computer Science or Computer Science and Business? I'm seriously considering putting Computer Science and Business on my CAO but amn't sure if that gives you a proper understanding of Software engineering and computer programming in general? And then i'm also wondering if the Business side to it counts for anything because in the first year you only do 3 business subjects compared to 7 computer science? Is anyone doing it at the moment that could fill me in coz i'm not sure what to do Considering BESS aswell if I discover Computer Science isn't my thing..

NSNO

Neither are better degrees. Though I'm sure some CS people will jump in with some "lol bizzkids" comment in a bit

How interested are you in CS is the real question? And I mean computer science here, not computers, facebook or gaming, there's a significant difference.
If you're really interested in CS and are only interested in the business side of things as a side thing or because you think it'll make you more employable then do CS.
If you're really interested in business, economics etc. and see computers/gaming as a hobby then do a business degree like BESS and get involved with the likes of Netsoc.
If you're genuinely interested in both equally then do CS&B.

One thing to note is that Computer Science is moving to a five year integrated masters programme that will lead to your BA (Mod) plus a Master in Computer Science qualification and chartered engineer status whereas CS&B will remain a four year programme. Also CS has significantly more maths related content (well, as far as I can tell a few weeks into first year) which might either attract you or put you off, depending.

tl;dr = Wanna be a software engineer/developer? Do CS

ED E

LOL Bizzkids, LOL BESS.


*ducks as DUCSS sec starts flinging stuff*


Disclaimer: I failed first year


Email Arthur Hughes(He lectures first year programming), he'll tell you which to do

Unregistered.

I like how they renamed "Business and Computing" to "Computer Science and Business" to scare off the Bizkids who think they'll be dicking about on Excel and PowerPoint for 4 years.

snappieT

Unregistered. wrote: »

I like how they renamed "Business and Computing" to "Computer Science and Business"

FYP

Amirani

You should consider MSISS too: http://www.scss.tcd.ie/undergraduate/bamsiss/

Dante

Jesus, the amount of grease in this thread is actually disgusting, I'm presuming its from all the computer scientists.

From my own experience Computer Science and Business, as the name suggests, is a roughly even mix between BESS and Computer Science with a small bit of MSISS thrown in. We did a number of CS modules in 1st and 2nd year such as Programming (Mainly Java/C++) and software engineering as well as a number of others that IMO do give you a general understanding of programming and basic software engineering. Obviously if you do CS you will have a much greater understanding than CS&B with regards to the computing side, however in 3rd and 4th year you get the option to concentrate on the computer science aspect of the course and subsequently reduce the business modules you do and vice versa so if you feel the course is too businessy, you can just choose more CS modules.

The main BESS modules we did in the first 3 years were economics, organisation and management, accounting, finance, organisational behaviour, marketing, Operations Management, and also a few other spoofy module choices in 3rd year such as human resource management and business in society. From what I gather, these are some of the main modules studied in BESS so you wouldn't be missing out THAT much by choosing CS&B over BESS (I'm open to correction there). CS isn't for everyone, so if you feel it might be a bit too computer oriented, or if you want to study some of the fundamentals computer science with a good degree of business know-how to back it up, CS&B is certainly a good option.

Dante

niallsparky wrote: »

You should consider MSISS too: http://www.scss.tcd.ie/undergraduate/bamsiss/

I heard a rumour from numerous people that they are getting rid of MSISS next year and instead increasing the intake into Computer Science and Business with a few course alterations. Dunno how true it is though, have you heard anything about it by any chance?

Jonathan

DaaaaaaaaaaN wrote: »

I heard a rumour from numerous people that they are getting rid of MSISS next year and instead increasing the intake into Computer Science and Business with a few course alterations. Dunno how true it is though, have you heard anything about it by any chance?

MSISS is quite a reputable degree. I couldn't see them getting rid of it.

mbiking123

Hello

Hard one to know as computer area changing so much. Just remember go with what interests you. Some computer systems(RDBMS) like Oracle E-Business Suite and SAP have alot of accounts in them, to do things like section management reporting needs a level of business/accounting know how. A big no no is suspence accounts but they also exist and need to be managed.

Certainly at the moment there appears to be a shift to automating systems and Oracle themselves have what is called autoconfig and when run it automatically configures the system to oracle default settings which is supposed to make updates simplier.

Certainly going down the road of knowing how to implement anew system into a business would be an advantage in the future and brings in 'project management' as a possible area for you to study. I have heard through the industry that alot of programmers are doing work in Poland and India so just cause you are a Java expert does not mean your guaranteed a job as alot of it appears to be outsourced. Then again managing a project is harder to outsource to a foreign country and you would need to understand the business and what exactly to implement from something like Oracle e-Business Suite or SAP.

Hope the info helps

NeuroCat

DaaaaaaaaaaN wrote: »

I heard a rumour from numerous people that they are getting rid of MSISS next year and instead increasing the intake into Computer Science and Business with a few course alterations. Dunno how true it is though, have you heard anything about it by any chance?

As Johnathon said, it is a very reputable degree. I can't see them doing away with it when they're currently boasting about the "96% graduate employment" rate.

Amirani

DaaaaaaaaaaN wrote: »

I heard a rumour from numerous people that they are getting rid of MSISS next year and instead increasing the intake into Computer Science and Business with a few course alterations. Dunno how true it is though, have you heard anything about it by any chance?

I've heard the rumours too but rumours is all they appear to be right now. I wouldn't be overly surprised however if they reduced MSISS admittance to previous levels and used the extra capacity to expand CS & B.

galwayjohn89

I'm doing the B&C this year and its definately more computer science orientated in Year 1. 6 modules for the first semester: Intro to computing, Intro to programming, statistical analysis, maths, business management & organisational structures and economics.

Its a good course, plenty are finding the programming tough but I think its just were getting used to how programmers work at the moment.

rocksw

I am halfway through first year of computer science and I think you'd miss out by doing business and computing. I think CS has a fair bit of variety in it, and you will still be learning business-y stuff. Just recently we had to pitch a technology related product for example. Business and computing seems to me very disorganized by comparison.