Exchanging Irish Licence for UK - Keep Irish?

dioltas

Just wondering if anyone has gone through this process before and managed to hold on to the old Irish licence?

I've heard you can report your Irish one as lost and ask for a new one, but do the DVLA not send the Irish Licence back to Ireland?

I changed my license over and you have to surrender your Irish license to get a UK one. As far as I know its illegal to hold both at the same time anyway.

Why would you want to keep the Irish one anyway if you are getting a UK license?

Seth Brundle

One could presume to record UK points against

ballsymchugh

and a licence to record irish points on too.

the way the OP mentioned does work alright. not too sure about the legalities of it though.

dioltas

ballsymchugh wrote: »

and a licence to record irish points on too.

the way the OP mentioned does work alright. not too sure about the legalities of it though.

I'd imagine the DVLA would send the Irish Licence straight back to Ireland though? I suppose if you could say you lost it, get a new one, and then give the old one to the DVLA.

Seems like a lot of hassle though.

ballsymchugh

there is virtually no communication between the DVLA and irish authorities. i'm still getting letters from DVLA for car tax that i didn't pay over 2 years ago, because i had imported the car to ireland. i emailed the DVLA a scan of the irish registration cert but they replied saying that it wasn't their issue. didn't stop the letters though.
besides, who would they send the irish licence to? because there's no central motor tax/licencing authority in ireland, it'd just get lost.

a friend of mine was asked to bring his irish licence to the copshop to pay a speeding fine. the woman behind the counter hadn't a clue what to do with it. the 3 pages folded over just confused her.
then she said that they can still put points on it because ireland was still part of the british republic. i'd say they hate irish licences as much as the irish hate polish ones with what happened a few years ago!

cloneslad

ballsymchugh wrote: »

then she said that they can still put points on it because ireland was still part of the british republic.

:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek: at her lack of geographical / historical knowledge and also the fact that they have a royal family, so how could they be a republic?

unattendedbag

ballsymchugh wrote: »

a friend of mine was asked to bring his irish licence to the copshop to pay a speeding fine. the woman behind the counter hadn't a clue what to do with it. the 3 pages folded over just confused her.
then she said that they can still put points on it because ireland was still part of the british republic. i'd say they hate irish licences as much as the irish hate polish ones with what happened a few years ago!

Honestly there are plenty of ppl living in the UK that don't know where Ireland is or what lies beyond their border.

To answer op's question. The DVLA send the Irish licence to the issuing county council. It is then recorded by the council as being swapped/exchanged. If you then try to use your Irish licence for points in either Ireland or England then the council notify the local gardai who then have the nice job of trying to get your duplicate irish licence back off you. Not worth the risk.

Break all ties

They couldn't organise a pissup in a brewery.

I am still waiting for the irish govt to remove my old car that has been reregistered in Bulgaria from the system in Ireland. 12 months on and it is still there and NCT and tax are still sending reminders.

When I exchanged my Irish licence for a BG one, they simply took my pink licence and tore it up in front of me and then they handed me my BG photocard licence. I knows for a fact the Irish muppets don't know and I could easily obtain a duplicate if I ever returned to Ireland.

CiniO

ballsymchugh wrote: »

there is virtually no communication between the DVLA and irish authorities. i'm still getting letters from DVLA for car tax that i didn't pay over 2 years ago, because i had imported the car to ireland.

What address are you getting that letters to?
Irish or UK?
If Irish, how does DVLA know it?

i emailed the DVLA a scan of the irish registration cert but they replied saying that it wasn't their issue. didn't stop the letters though.

Did you send them a part from V5C about permanent export?

i'd say they hate irish licences as much as the irish hate polish ones with what happened a few years ago!

What was it?
Why would Irish people hate Polish licences?

CiniO

unattendedbag wrote: »

To answer op's question. The DVLA send the Irish licence to the issuing county council. It is then recorded by the council as being swapped/exchanged. If you then try to use your Irish licence for points in either Ireland or England then the council notify the local gardai who then have the nice job of trying to get your duplicate irish licence back off you. Not worth the risk.

The same when I swapped my Polish licence to Irish licence, they send the Polish one to Polish issuing authorities, so in Poland they know I have an Irish licence now.

CiniO

Break all ties wrote: »

They couldn't organise a pissup in a brewery.

I am still waiting for the irish govt to remove my old car that has been reregistered in Bulgaria from the system in Ireland. 12 months on and it is still there and NCT and tax are still sending reminders.

Where are they sending this reminders? To your Irish or Bulgarian address?
Besides, I don't really believe it, as they only send a tax remainder once after tax expires, and NCT doesn't send any remainders any more.
So your story doesn't seem to be real.

When I exchanged my Irish licence for a BG one, they simply took my pink licence and tore it up in front of me and then they handed me my BG photocard licence. I knows for a fact the Irish muppets don't know and I could easily obtain a duplicate if I ever returned to Ireland.

They had no power to tear it up.
What they should do was to send it to a relevant motor tax office in Ireland. They messed up their job.

Guy:Incognito

ballsymchugh wrote: »

the 3 pages folded over just confused her.!

I cant see why. The UK has paper licences too. Not everyone has the credit card style ones yet.

Break all ties wrote: »

I knows for a fact the Irish muppets don't know and I could easily obtain a duplicate if I ever returned to Ireland.

How is it the fault of the Irish authorities that the Bulgarians dont tell them someone has exchanged their licence?

ballsymchugh wrote: »

i'm still getting letters from DVLA for car tax that i didn't pay over 2 years ago, because i had imported the car to ireland. i emailed the DVLA a scan of the irish registration cert but they replied saying that it wasn't their issue. didn't stop the letters though.!

Did you not send them section 11 of the V5 when you brought it over here (notice of permenant export) Otherwise how woudl they know?

ballsymchugh

CiniO wrote: »

What address are you getting that letters to?
Irish or UK?
If Irish, how does DVLA know it?

Did you send them a part from V5C about permanent export?

What was it?
Why would Irish people hate Polish licences?

i lived in the uk for 7 years, then moved back to dublin. have moved back to the uk now. back to the same address with a big pile of post, including some from a debt collector acting for the DVLA. never heard from the DVLA in dublin.

i emailed them my registration cert which had the old uk reg on it.

there was a story about some polish fella a few years ago that got speeding fines all over the country. turns out the gardai were taking the polish for driving licence instead of the driver's name.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/7899171.stm

Stinicker

What would happen if an Irish person went through all the formalities of getting L plates and sitting his test in the UK? Wouldn't both licences be totally unlinked to each other then.

CiniO

Stinicker wrote: »

What would happen if an Irish person went through all the formalities of getting L plates and sitting his test in the UK? Wouldn't both licences be totally unlinked to each other then.

Is holding more than one licence withing EU against EU law?
I thought, that with application for licence in any EU country, you have to sign on a form that you don't hold a licence from any other member state.

Of course you could lie on the form, and this would probably never be checked, but you can't tell then that you have 2 licences legally.

CiniO

ballsymchugh wrote: »

i lived in the uk for 7 years, then moved back to dublin. have moved back to the uk now. back to the same address with a big pile of post, including some from a debt collector acting for the DVLA. never heard from the DVLA in dublin.

i emailed them my registration cert which had the old uk reg on it.

I assume they were waiting for a "permanent export part" of V5C. It's your fault if you didn't sent it.
I can't see why emailing them an Irish registration cert should solve the problem.

there was a story about some polish fella a few years ago that got speeding fines all over the country. turns out the gardai were taking the polish for driving licence instead of the driver's name.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/7899171.stm

All right. I heard about it.
But I don't get why you said that Irish hate Polish licences.
All that happened just to lack of knowledge of Gardai, who had no clue what was written on Polish licences, even though they should know.

ballsymchugh

CiniO wrote: »

I assume they were waiting for a "permanent export part" of V5C. It's your fault if you didn't sent it.
I can't see why emailing them an Irish registration cert should solve the problem.




All right. I heard about it.
But I don't get why you said that Irish hate Polish licences.
All that happened just to lack of knowledge of Gardai, who had no clue what was written on Polish licences, even though they should know.

if only you were there to tell me that a few years ago, instead of me following the guidelines from the revenue office. but that's for another thread.

when i said they, i meant people in licencing authority or gardai, not irish people in general. i'm outta this before i'm misunderstood again!!

dioltas

cloneslad wrote: »

:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek: at her lack of geographical / historical knowledge and also the fact that they have a royal family, so how could they be a republic?

Not too surprised at that to be honest.

Have spoken to people who were surprised that I wasn't voting, as they thought I was a British citizen. Or were surprised that there was different phone networks in Ireland etc.

Yeah, as far as the licence situation goes, looks like it can be done but it's a bit of hassle.

Might be better off holding on to the Irish for now.

si_guru

dioltas wrote: »

Have spoken to people who were surprised that I wasn't voting, as they thought I was a British citizen. Or were surprised that there was different .

You don't have to be a British citizen to vote in the UK, just a resident.

dioltas

Didn't know that, my mistake!