Winter Gym work.

Bogieman

Hi,
Planning to do some gym work over the winter.
Anyone got any advice for what gym work would benifit my golf game?

Thanks

sodbuster77

Bogieman wrote: »

Hi,
Planning to do some gym work over the winter.
Anyone got any advice for what gym work would benifit my golf game?

Thanks

http://www.mytpi.com/default.asp

bigguy086

Get a screening with a proper golf fitness professional. otherwise you might do more worse than good.

irish bloke

bigguy086 wrote: »

Get a screening with a proper golf fitness professional. otherwise you might do more worse than good.

Can you elaborate on this?

What do you mean a full screening??

bigguy086

a full body screening is a series of tests to find any limitations or weaknesses in your body. after which a corrective exercise program can be developed. i had one last winter and have been back on a regular basis to make sure i keep progressing and am now much stronger! i went the gym for years doing the wrong stuff and it took me ages to get a balanced body again.

irish bloke

bigguy086 wrote: »

a full body screening is a series of tests to find any limitations or weaknesses in your body. after which a corrective exercise program can be developed. i had one last winter and have been back on a regular basis to make sure i keep progressing and am now much stronger! i went the gym for years doing the wrong stuff and it took me ages to get a balanced body again.

Interseting. Is this specifically targeted at golf?
Is it to test your flexibility/joints and work on those areas as opposed to mass building?
Where did you get this done and is it expensive?

Thanks..

bigguy086

yeah he is a top golfer himself so he is totally golf specific. first couple of months was mobility work and some bodyweight stuff like squats and lunges for legs then went i was ready we started on some muscle building in the legs and back as i was too developed in chest. Robbie Cannon is his name and he seems to be working with a lot of top guys so obv knows his stuff. i used to suffer badly with golfers elbow and lowerback pain and he got rid of that for me within a month,. he is very reasonable and great after service

stringy

if you want to get better, maybe forget the gym and practice your putting stroke at home. Pick up a few bob rotella books and pick your most comfortable chair.

go to the gym too, but don't be too preoccupied with golf fitness (unless you're planning on playing 4 times a week and/or hoping to go on tour)

conno16

follow poults on twitter
he gives daily updates on his new fitness approach

like many golfers he suddently realised that hes missing a trick and has hired a personal trainer. lucky for us he tweets loads of updates re what hes doing, weekly targets etc (so therefore we dont need to hire a personal trainer)

just last week he challenged mcilroy to a sit-ups competition
poults racked up 63 to mcilroys 55 in one minute
this has to be a sign that poults has turned a fitness corner and in my book makes him a contender for big comps next year. the confidence attained from defeating mcilroy so convincingly will also be extremely good for his game

k.p.h

Building and golf do not go together anyway, thats for sure. Being too bulky slows you down and dose not lend itself to swing speed. Do lifting weights beyond a certain point is not the way to go. I'v done a good bit of googling in regard to this and the Titliest performance stuff is very good. The best things to work on are probably core, cardio and flexibility with a bit of emphasis on leg strength. If you go to any gym and ask any good trainer about these they could get you going in the right direction no problem.

BoardsMember

conno16 wrote: »

follow poults on twitter
he gives daily updates on his new fitness approach

like many golfers he suddently realised that hes missing a trick and has hired a personal trainer. lucky for us he tweets loads of updates re what hes doing, weekly targets etc (so therefore we dont need to hire a personal trainer)

just last week he challenged mcilroy to a sit-ups competition
poults racked up 63 to mcilroys 55 in one minute
this has to be a sign that poults has turned a fitness corner and in my book makes him a contender for big comps next year. the confidence attained from defeating mcilroy so convincingly will also be extremely good for his game

Classic, gave me a great laugh

Deco1983

conno16 wrote: »

follow poults on twitter
he gives daily updates on his new fitness approach

like many golfers he suddently realised that hes missing a trick and has hired a personal trainer. lucky for us he tweets loads of updates re what hes doing, weekly targets etc (so therefore we dont need to hire a personal trainer)

just last week he challenged mcilroy to a sit-ups competition
poults racked up 63 to mcilroys 55 in one minute
this has to be a sign that poults has turned a fitness corner and in my book makes him a contender for big comps next year. the confidence attained from defeating mcilroy so convincingly will also be extremely good for his game

Was Burgers involved in this?Interested to see how many reps the big man completed...

Bogieman

sodbuster77 wrote: »

http://www.mytpi.com/default.asp

Thanks sodbuster77.
I tried the advanced pushups http://www.mytpi.com/mytpi05/Fitness/article.asp?id=345# ..ouch!
They are tough.

bigguy086

k.p.h wrote: »

Building and golf do not go together anyway, thats for sure. Being too bulky slows you down and dose not lend itself to swing speed. Do lifting weights beyond a certain point is not the way to go. I'v done a good bit of googling in regard to this and the Titliest performance stuff is very good. The best things to work on are probably core, cardio and flexibility with a bit of emphasis on leg strength. If you go to any gym and ask any good trainer about these they could get you going in the right direction no problem.

being bulky does NOT sloq you down. losing mobility slows you down.

k.p.h

bigguy086 wrote: »

being bulky does NOT sloq you down. losing mobility slows you down.

Ah yeah I was referring to building muscle to such a stage where pecs and biceps get a little too big and then they don't land themselves to a golf swing. Also their is a certain stage where flexibility becomes an issue too. I'v seen plenty of guys work around this and play well but speed in a golf swing is built around flexibility so building muscle beyond a certain point will make it harder.

Hacker111

stringy wrote: »

if you want to get better, maybe forget the gym and practice your putting stroke at home. Pick up a few bob rotella books and pick your most comfortable chair.

go to the gym too, but don't be too preoccupied with golf fitness (unless you're planning on playing 4 times a week and/or hoping to go on tour)

dont agree... read books, practice short game for sure.. but flexibility, core and timing are critical

stringy

Hacker111 wrote: »

dont agree... read books, practice short game for sure.. but flexibility, core and timing are critical

timing is critical obviously, but that comes predominantly from technique.

maybe I take being naturally fit/athletic for granted so don't work on gym for golf but in my experience more shots will be saved around the green than hitting the ball 10 yards further or 5-10 yards straighter on average

k.p.h

stringy wrote: »

timing is critical obviously, but that comes predominantly from technique.

maybe I take being naturally fit/athletic for granted so don't work on gym for golf but in my experience more shots will be saved around the green than hitting the ball 10 yards further or 5-10 yards straighter on average

Every shot counts though .. So if being fitter/stronger/flexible saved you 1 shot a round would it be worth it ..? Well that depends on the individual and what they are hoping to achieve. No .? This also applies to many other aspects of the game too clubs/ball etc.. If each little improvement saved you a shot every round or even a shot every two rounds would it be worth it.. It's a hard game so every little improvement counts IMO

Also in your experience more shots will be saved around the green, which might be true in your experience but on average higher handicaps loose most shots from 100y+. The common advice of work on your short game is futile, well maybe not futile but it dose not get to the root problem.
Loose the shots off the tee and then try to make them up at the green (which you missed by 30y) ..??

stringy

k.p.h wrote: »

Also in your experience more shots will be saved around the green, which might be true in your experience but on average higher handicaps loose most shots from 100y+. The common advice of work on your short game is futile, well maybe not futile but it dose not get to the root problem.
Loose the shots off the tee and then try to make them up at the green (which you missed by 30y) ..??

I guess what I mean is that you'll get a greater return from time spent on practicing putting/short game than you'll get from time in the gym (in terms of golf). Although time in the gym is obviously not a waste! Healthy body healthy mind, does wonders for your overall health

Hacker111

stringy wrote: »

I guess what I mean is that you'll get a greater return from time spent on practicing putting/short game than you'll get from time in the gym (in terms of golf). Although time in the gym is obviously not a waste! Healthy body healthy mind, does wonders for your overall health

So I'm clear.. i practice my putting a lot anyway, I have all the books;) I just think at this stage I need the gym/flexibility work to really see a difference.... my technique is not good enough and my distance is average off tee... however, I shoot lower than most of the guys that out drive me!

Hacker111

bigguy086 wrote: »

yeah he is a top golfer himself so he is totally golf specific. first couple of months was mobility work and some bodyweight stuff like squats and lunges for legs then went i was ready we started on some muscle building in the legs and back as i was too developed in chest. Robbie Cannon is his name and he seems to be working with a lot of top guys so obv knows his stuff. i used to suffer badly with golfers elbow and lowerback pain and he got rid of that for me within a month,. he is very reasonable and great after service

hey, where is he based.... what price range are we looking at?

kyleman

There is a TPI instructor in portlaoise who not only deals with injuries but makes out golf specific training programmes for golfers .A lot of flexibility and core exercises that can be easily carried out at home and has achieved a lot of success through his clients

dvemail

stringy wrote: »

I guess what I mean is that you'll get a greater return from time spent on practicing putting/short game than you'll get from time in the gym (in terms of golf). Although time in the gym is obviously not a waste! Healthy body healthy mind, does wonders for your overall health

Totally agree with this, doing the right exercises and weights in the gym will not just help your golf game, it will make you healthier and more proactive. Better stamina to help keep your body and mind in top shape from the 1st tee to the 18th green.

bigguy086

Hacker111 wrote: »

hey, where is he based.... what price range are we looking at?

based in dublin and his price range depends on how many sessions. gives me deals for several sessions etc.

bigguy086

dvemail wrote: »

Totally agree with this, doing the right exercises and weights in the gym will not just help your golf game, it will make you healthier and more proactive. Better stamina to help keep your body and mind in top shape from the 1st tee to the 18th green.

knowing that you are in great shape come the start of the new season can only be great for your game physically and mentally.

FixdePitchmark

bigguy086 wrote: »

knowing that you are in great shape come the start of the new season can only be great for your game physically and mentally.

I know this is great in theory and I would be changing my own gym work. But how do you explain D Clarke, A Cabbera, C Monty, S Lowry, I Woosnam, M A Jimenez,

To answer my own question, very few Majors I guess.

bigguy086

FixdePitchmark wrote: »

I know this is great in theory and I would be changing my own gym work. But how do you explain D Clarke, A Cabbera, C Monty, S Lowry, I Woosnam, M A Jimenez,

To answer my own question, very few Majors I guess.

you can count the overweight golfers on both tours on one hand. says a lot really. I think you can gain an advantage from being in good shape. Great for the self confidence as well which cant be a bad thing on and off the course

Whyner

sodbuster77 wrote: »

Bogieman wrote: »

Hi,
Planning to do some gym work over the winter.
Anyone got any advice for what gym work would benifit my golf game?

Thanks

http://www.mytpi.com/default.asp

Is this GOY material?

Hacker111

FixdePitchmark wrote: »

I know this is great in theory and I would be changing my own gym work. But how do you explain D Clarke, A Cabbera, C Monty, S Lowry, I Woosnam, M A Jimenez,

To answer my own question, very few Majors I guess.

Clarke, Caberra (x2), Woosnam all won majors... Monty blew a few... Jimenez solid tour pro..Lowry only starting out.. bit of a ridiculous statement mate.. a lot of super fit, athletic guys who won diddly on tour.... these guys are just hard workers and/or very talented players....

Hacker111

bigguy086 wrote: »

based in dublin and his price range depends on how many sessions. gives me deals for several sessions etc.

roughly.. say 3/4 sessions?

FixdePitchmark

Hacker111 wrote: »

Clarke, Caberra (x2), Woosnam all won majors... Monty blew a few... Jimenez solid tour pro..Lowry only starting out.. bit of a ridiculous statement mate.. a lot of super fit, athletic guys who won diddly on tour.... these guys are just hard workers and/or very talented players....

Ok , we will drop Lowry, I just used him as he should be way up from where he is. IMO. Great talent.

So the 5 others are 5 of the top pros who have played the game for the last twenty years and have 5 Majors between them, terrible return . Something not right.

I'll even take Caberra out , he was a late peaker.

So the other 4 have 3 majors over twenty years.

P Harrington 3 Majors.

It just all does not add up.


It could be drinking, fitness , practice, concentration who knows , but it does not add up.

Woosnam , Clarke, Monty.

Should have had over ten Majors between them IMO.

irish bloke

Hacker111 wrote: »

Clarke, Caberra (x2), Woosnam all won majors... Monty blew a few... Jimenez solid tour pro..Lowry only starting out.. bit of a ridiculous statement mate.. a lot of super fit, athletic guys who won diddly on tour.... these guys are just hard workers and/or very talented players....

I think its a fair enough statement to make in fairness. Lets be honest, these guys are not what you would call in great shape, yet they are super golfers.

To be a really top footballer you would need to be about 50% talent/technique and about 50% fit/conditioned

To be a really top golfer you would need to be about 90% talent/technique and about 10% fit/conditioned.

bigguy086

Hacker111 wrote: »

roughly.. say 3/4 sessions?

i got 5 sessions for price of 4 €200. After service/workout plans etc. He really helped me with my diet as well which according to him is 50% of the process of putting on muscle and losing fat. he was right!

fullstop

Deco1983 wrote: »

Was Burgers involved in this?Interested to see how many reps the big man completed...

He scored -1, he just did a sit down rather than sit ups

BoardsMember

irish bloke wrote: »

To be a really top footballer you would need to be about 50% talent/technique and about 50% fit/conditioned

To be a really top golfer you would need to be about 90% talent/technique and about 10% fit/conditioned.

The golf one is missing the most important thing - mental strength. Playing at their best in non-competitive golf most top 100 ranked golfers would shoot similar numbers. Its what's in the head that really divides people, is the difference between the serial winners and the almost rans, or those that consistently respond well to pressure in tournament golf.