different types of springers

pheasntstalker

well lads and lassies just wandering how many different types of springers there are?,im new to springers i got my first pup last nov, she is now 1yrs old and flyin, so im learning about them, loving them,the reason im asking is i was out with her the other evening an an old timer i met coming,down the field got horrid excited when he seen her, sayin itd great to see a proper english springer, i asked why is that he replied that most people that have springers in ireland here automaticly think and call them ess,s but they are not,he explained that proper ess,s are heavier and bigger and bred that way to hunt and flush in heavy cover, most springers here are ordernary springers, then there is welsh sringers, i will post pics of mine when i get the new laptop,as this one is on last legs, so have any of you got any other type of springers

deeksofdoom

These are my springers I would class them as being more traditional style of springer.e. thick set, heavy boned, big strong looking heads.

They are mother and daughter, mother on the left and daughter on the right.

kermitpwee

This is one of my springers, I dunno would you class him as big or small maybe medium. I personally have yet to see a bigger dog in the flesh. He is just gone 6 and is a very experienced dog. I have even shot grouse over him. Hope yee like him, his name is Reload.

Hibrion

This would be my choice of springer
http://www.bikez.com/motorcycles/harley-davidson_heritage_springer_1999.php

pheasntstalker

deeks they are smashing looking dogs:D,thats the type springer im used to seeing in the field, even before i got one,and kermit your dogs a beut:) i hope to have a new laptop soon so i can start postin up pics,of jessy soon ,she is black and white ,paws like shovels and very broad and heavier than just bigger,now i seen a pic of a springer matching my one ,on here but i cant remember whose it was:mad:

dev110

I wouldn't have a clue of different types of springers as this is my first and never shot over them before.

Here he is with his first snipe:



And Duck:

EastTyrone

My view of springers is the big boned and muscly dogs, I've had two over the past 2 years (the 1st one unfortunnately getting run over by a lorry right in front of my eyes :mad:) and every one says they are the biggest theyve seen,

landkeeper

'its not the size of the dog in the fight is the size of the fight in the dog'

is an old saying that rings true in this case

kermitpwee

landkeeper wrote: »

'its not the size of the dog in the fight is the size of the fight in the dog'

is an old saying that rings true in this case

I have a small springer that will back up your statement no problem:D will get pics in the next day or so.

tfox

Here is my ESS springer as a 9 mth old pup, this will be his first season, all 100% so far, just little wary of a barrage of shots

EastTyrone

just a matter of interest, my dog has bent front legs as you can probably see in one of the pics, it gives him no bother at all, has any one seen that in springers?

kermitpwee

EastTyrone wrote: »

just a matter of interest, my dog has bent front legs as you can probably see in one of the pics, it gives him no bother at all, has any one seen that in springers?

Ya have seen it in a good few and also in cockers, nothing to worry about imo.

pheasntstalker

fox ,man he,s a credit to ya!;) smashing looking pup happy hunting to you, yeh my one is simalier in coulors to your lad,but much broader head wise,(wish thebro comes home with new laptop the better so i can post pics:mad::mad:) smashing wee pup tho:):):D

stevoman

Lovely looking dogs there lads! I have two of the smaller type springers. a lot lighter at the bone but leggy. i want to get into the old type springers myself. id love a pair of ould bruisers. lol

heres a picture of my two bitches.

kermitpwee

@Stevoman, fine looking bitches there

stevoman

Cheers. looking forward to gettin out on the 1st with them. itl be the liver and white bitchs first season. i have the week off work so il hunt them both on the 1st day and then rotate them for the rest of the week.

Tawny Owl

stevoman wrote: »

Lovely looking dogs there lads! I have two of the smaller type springers. a lot lighter at the bone but leggy. i want to get into the old type springers myself. id love a pair of ould bruisers. lol

heres a picture of my two bitches.

Brill photo like a post card very nice lovely dogs

alan86

hear are my 2 the one on the left is molly she is 8 months she i kinda stocky and the one on the right is belle she is a year and a half she is a lot slimer build.

stevoman

Lovely pair of bitchs you have there alan.

Feidhlim Dignan

I have a real light springer bitch, smallest i have ever seen. she finds heavy cover hard not great in it, but shes good in a bog or along a hedge. I would like a big strong dog

snipeface

Hi lads, i'm new here so be gentle.

I'v been reading a bit about the different looking springers lately and as far as i can make out it's down to breeders or kennels introducing new blood to their lines.
My own dog has a narrow face and would be fairly light,apparently this would indicate Poodle blood or something likewise somewhere in her ancestry, whereas dogs with a big face and heavy body would indicate Labrador blood or something likewise in their ancestry.
So you can have a big dog or a smaller dog but they're all the one type,=Springers.

stevoman

Big springers i think are going to come back again. it was in vogue for all the trialing lads to have them for style etc but i think here and in the uk they have finally realised its not good for the breed to be so light and small. look at all the big traling names in dogs. they are all throwing out small dogs. that butlerstown buddy was only a scut of a dog. My next bitch il buy will probobly be without papers from lads i know are breeding dogs big dogs to hack cover and hunt hard. thats not saying im not happy with my own, i just think sometimes registered papers with fancy names arent worth the paper they are wrote on.

ClarkyTrd

Here is my 2 year old springer, will hunt anywhere and is not afraid of very thick cover.

Retrieve's from land and water no problem, first picture he is about 4 months old and the second picture, his first retrieve at 6 months old and the last one he is just over a year old!

snipeface

ClarkyTrd, that's a good lookin lad.
My young bitch looks kinda like him only she's a tricolour.

ClarkyTrd

He has his moments, getting a bit out of hand lately disobeying commands, etc...

But when he is on form, he is a good dog. Springer's just never stop working, they would work all day for ya!

pheasntstalker

smashing dogs all round lads,amazing the difference in them all ,i.e small,narrow,heavy build etc,alan 86,your molly is a ringer for my bitch jessy, :D she is same build down to a tee,except mine is just a bit blacker in face,a beuts of dogs you all have hopefuuly il get a pic up soon of mine,as other op said there all springers ,and we love em,:):) roll on the first and god hunting to u all, regards p.s:D:D

pheasntstalker

time for the leaba now me spelling is gone to pot:o:o

snipeface

Tell me about it .
MY eldest is five years old and she still pushes her luck every now and then, ( brazen tramp ) but i cant find it in me to fault her, she's been such a great dog for me.

ClarkyTrd

My lad tends to keep running out too far, not coming back when called, and when he retrieves he likes to play around with it rather than give it to me haha! Do feel like shooting him at times never mind the birds

Must get more recent pictures of him up!

snipeface

ClarkyTrd wrote: »

My lad tends to keep running out too far, not coming back when called, and when he retrieves he likes to play around with it rather than give it to me haha! Do feel like shooting him at times never mind the birds

Must get more recent pictures of him up!

He's only a chap yet. The thing with springers is to never be complacent, you have to keep reinforcing the rules. Never relax with a springer or you'll end up with an edjit.
That lad of yours at two years old still has a lot to learn, be patient and you'll end up with a dog to be proud of.

snipeface

stevoman wrote: »

Big springers i think are going to come back again. it was in vogue for all the trialing lads to have them for style etc but i think here and in the uk they have finally realised its not good for the breed to be so light and small. look at all the big traling names in dogs. they are all throwing out small dogs. that butlerstown buddy was only a scut of a dog. My next bitch il buy will probobly be without papers from lads i know are breeding dogs big dogs to hack cover and hunt hard. thats not saying im not happy with my own, i just think sometimes registered papers with fancy names arent worth the paper they are wrote on.

Regarding the papers, i couldn't agree more.
If the dog is going to be used for rough shooting you'd be mad to pay big money for a dog just because it has a bit of paper with it. If you're into trials or tests then that's another story.
Most Springers will hunt and it's up to the owner/trainer to put the brakes/training on them. PS paper wont help or make them hunt any better.

landkeeper

snipeface wrote: »

Regarding the papers, i couldn't agree more.
If the dog is going to be used for rough shooting you'd be mad to pay big money for a dog just because it has a bit of paper with it. If you're into trials or tests then that's another story.
Most Springers will hunt and it's up to the owner/trainer to put the brakes/training on them. PS paper wont help or make them hunt any better.

no but it increases the chances that the dog will actually do what it's supposed too,;) you are right though if your not going to trial or test your dog there is no need for a registered pup , although i have seen lads go off buy a pup from working parents make a brilliant job of the dog then wish he was registered so they could trial him
the fact remains that a modern trailing type dog is a vastly different animal from the monster bog hunting irish type spaniel , but they both do a job but like all things it's personal choice
i had a cocker sized springer dog for 13 years he would out work out, last and out class 99% of other dogs ,they say you get one dog in a lifetime i'd give every penny i have to have him back again brilliant dogs are born not made and it dosn't matter what size it is

snipeface

"i had a cocker sized springer dog for 13 years he would out work out, last and out class 99% of other dogs ,they say you get one dog in a lifetime i'd give every penny i have to have him back again brilliant dogs are born not made and it dosn't matter what size it is".

Did you never get any offspring from him?
I'm hoping that saying about one dog in a lifetime isn't true as i'v a five month old pup at the minute and if she turns out anything like her mother she'll be a miller.

muckyprawn

Yeah, I have seen springers with "queen anne legs" before...

landkeeper

snipeface wrote: »

"i had a cocker sized springer dog for 13 years he would out work out, last and out class 99% of other dogs ,they say you get one dog in a lifetime i'd give every penny i have to have him back again brilliant dogs are born not made and it dosn't matter what size it is".

Did you never get any offspring from him?
I'm hoping that saying about one dog in a lifetime isn't true as i'v a five month old pup at the minute and if she turns out anything like her mother she'll be a miller.

no i bought him as a 14wk old pup and i didn't bother when i bought him transferring all the paperwork/joining the kennel club etc etc there were lots of lads who would have used him but in those days papers mattered
that was 25 +years ago and some of them still talk about him he was an amazing dog with the best nose i have ever seen in any dog
even when he was old and fecked he wiped the eye of a couple of labs we were shooting geese and there was one that planed down a couple of hundred yards away the labs failed to pick it i drove 30 miles home got him and came back he picked it in 5 minutes
jordieland bloodlines more known for cockers these days than springers

snipeface

Landkeeper thats unfortunate that you didn't get to keep the line going, especially with a dog that you would have known so well.
Thats what i'm trying to do with my bitch, and the sire is my hunting buddys dog. A real go through a wall kinda dog but he also has a great nose. Hopefully the pups will be as good as the parents.

kermitpwee

landkeeper wrote: »

jordieland bloodlines more known for cockers these days than springers

You pm'd me before about those jordieland bloodlines but I couldn't find much about them on line. At the time I never got back to you due to an embarrasment and plain ignorance on my part as I had been spouting some crap about springers/cockers on boards and you set me right! I want to apologise to you now for been so ignorant.

Would you be willing to shed some more light on these jordieland bloodlines?
Regards
Kermitpwee

landkeeper

no bother kermit don't sweat it he's a long time dead but still missed he was some dog for one dog i actually pulled his pedigree out last time i was back at the olds
he was the first dog of my own i got when i was working in scotland i went to see a litter of 14 :eek: and just picked him cos he was a bold bugger i
did everything wrong lol was shooting over him when he was six months old everything from rabbits to geese
what do you want to know about jordieland bloodlines it's all along time ago he was born in 1984 that's along time on in dog time

kermitpwee

landkeeper wrote: »

no bother kermit don't sweat it he's a long time dead but still missed he was some dog for one dog i actually pulled his pedigree out last time i was back at the olds
he was the first dog of my own i got when i was working in scotland i went to see a litter of 14 :eek: and just picked him cos he was a bold bugger i
did everything wrong lol was shooting over him when he was six months old everything from rabbits to geese
what do you want to know about jordieland bloodlines it's all along time ago he was born in 1984 that's along time on in dog time

I had a look on line again and it was said that out of a litter of jordieland pups all would be good dogs, some would be exceptional but even the worst would be well above your average good working spaniel. This is not the norm for litters and it has been said a few times in different places as far as i can see.
From what I can gather the breeder is now dead but there are some jordieland blood still going and it is very sought after, from what I can see there is a search on in Britain for more Jordieland blood in some pocket somewhere if you get my drift.
Just wondering if you knew anymore, is there a line of jordieland springers for example?

EPointer=Birdss

landkeeper wrote: »

no bother kermit don't sweat it he's a long time dead but still missed he was some dog for one dog i actually pulled his pedigree out last time i was back at the olds
he was the first dog of my own i got when i was working in scotland i went to see a litter of 14 :eek: and just picked him cos he was a bold bugger i
did everything wrong lol was shooting over him when he was six months old everything from rabbits to geese
what do you want to know about jordieland bloodlines it's all along time ago he was born in 1984 that's along time on in dog time

Is it possible that the exposure to varied game at a young age as much as bloodlines resulted in such a good dog...

landkeeper

no i don't, kermit my brother has one with a lot of jordieland blood but he's an old dog now and he never registered him
i think a lot of it was breeding but i was young, mad keen wasn't the word i was out with him 7 days a week you could teach him anything but he was one of those dogs you meet once or twice in a lifetime
the bloody problem is once you have one like it it's very hard to go back to a mediocre beast you need something with drive intelligence and fire in it's belly they are hard to handle but the rewards far out weigh the negatives in my book

dicky82

these are my two, i've put this picture up before. anywas the liver and white one is a bitch and is very small and slender the black and white one is a male and is only 8 months (i think) in that picture, he's a year now and is quite a bruiser, looking forward to his first season this year.

Spunk84

Very nice dicky!