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heat detection aids for cows

  • 16-10-2011 7:58pm
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31


    Just wondering is anyone familiar with the Heat Seeker detection aid for cows? Im thinking of using it next year in order to detect cows for the AI.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 91 ✭✭Joe the Plumber


    FORD 4000 wrote: »
    Just wondering is anyone familiar with the Heat Seeker detection aid for cows? Im thinking of using it next year in order to detect cows for the AI.


    Heat Seekers, I think they are called. A kind of a blister you stick on the cows back down near the tail. when others jump on her it turns red.

    TBH the way is a teaser, he's has em picked up two days in advance.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 609 ✭✭✭flatout11


    but a tin of tail paint - or 2 different colours if you want (change colour ofter first ai) works out cheaper than a lot ofg the aids - patches are ok though


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,489 ✭✭✭sh1tstirrer


    I get them to mix whatever colour I want at co op. Works out at 14 euro a tin compared to 26 euro for tail paint.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,329 ✭✭✭redzerologhlen


    Tail paint is grand if your milking. Tried it here with sucklers and its a pure nuisance having to keep it done every couple of days.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 609 ✭✭✭flatout11


    Tail paint is grand if your milking. Tried it here with sucklers and its a pure nuisance having to keep it done every couple of days.
    ai with sucklers is a bit of a nuisance!!!! - when there indoors i top it up once a when just walk behind them in the pens


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,329 ✭✭✭redzerologhlen


    flatout11 wrote: »
    ai with sucklers is a bit of a nuisance!!!! - when there indoors i top it up once a when just walk behind them in the pens

    Ya I spose it would be alright when they are inside, I was trying it when they were out in the spring.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 609 ✭✭✭flatout11


    Ya I spose it would be alright when they are inside, I was trying it when they were out in the spring.
    tis not simple - time for a teaser and chinball


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,438 ✭✭✭5live


    flatout11 wrote: »
    tis not simple - time for a teaser and chinball
    A winner alright. I cant imagine not having a teaser now. A yearling bull can be snipped for about 60 euros and sold when the bull is left in so little danger of cows getting hurt with a big bull or cow jumping on her. But do it about a month before he is needed to let the sperm die off first


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 11,786 ✭✭✭✭whelan1


    i have heat time, find it great


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,933 ✭✭✭keith_d99


    Yeah My uncle hasn't stop talking about moominder.ie , seemingly it does alot more than heat detection .... reckons it will be bigger that the electric fence ... i think its a 100% irish also


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,083 ✭✭✭bogman_bass


    but thats the price per tag. how much will the reader cost?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 733 ✭✭✭jeff greene


    Certainly looks interesting and reasonably priced. Tags seem to have an antenna and are quite bulky, its difficult enough to keep ordinary tags on, may be a weak point? Will need more info on trials and the practicalities of it .I will make contact about the meeting in Killarney.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,933 ✭✭✭keith_d99


    but thats the price per tag. how much will the reader cost?

    the sensors will be 30 euro approx , base station is 1000 (uncle is going for solar conversion kit + 300)
    and it costs 20 euro per month to run (this covers the cost for data upload, text messages and web servers)
    For 100 cows it works out something like 90 cents per cow per month.....

    This is from d'uncle so don't take this as gospel


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 116 ✭✭bt12


    wounder what is the accuracy like, are the tags and base station being made in ireland?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 733 ✭✭✭jeff greene


    Thats not an antenna, thats the thermometer that goes in the ear canal.
    I read about this before Teagasc did a study on this technique for measuring temperature .... MooMinder.ie sent me a small video there where they had attached the tag to an old wellington and went to town on it with a hammer .... The tag is made from the same material as police riot gear so is able for abuse .... The trick is the 2 prongs i think, the ear would come off first. I wish the yellow tags would adopt a similiar idea

    The manager, albert told me that they had to take the phone number off the website as they were getting alot of calls , especially from overseas. He prefers to answers all initial contacts himself and can only do this via email.

    Hammer_toys_sledge_hammer_toys_plastic_hammer.jpg

    :pac:

    Best of luck with it anyway!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13 BBNightmares


    how much should it cost to scan 30 cows?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 633 ✭✭✭PMU


    moominder takes body temp. how does that relate to oesterus


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13 BBNightmares


    her temp might go up aswell


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13 BBNightmares


    was charged 180 to scan 31 cows. ..... was that fair price?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 11,786 ✭✭✭✭whelan1


    was charged 180 to scan 31 cows. ..... was that fair price?
    €380 to scan 127


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13 BBNightmares


    hmmm u worked out at under 3 euro.... u have a lot bigger herd though


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,034 ✭✭✭Bizzum


    was charged 180 to scan 31 cows. ..... was that fair price?

    Nightmares indeed:)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 11,786 ✭✭✭✭whelan1


    hmmm u worked out at under 3 euro.... u have a lot bigger herd though
    was 2 visits:)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13 BBNightmares


    new to farming. ... wondering would rvp be suitable for grazing?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13 BBNightmares


    whelan1 wrote: »
    hmmm u worked out at under 3 euro.... u have a lot bigger herd though
    was 2 visits:)

    just did a bit of searching there. ... theres scanning and theres scanning. .. my guy was relaxed and professional. .. alot of u guys had bad readings, deaths etc.... rather pay the few euros etc for a good job


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13 BBNightmares


    Bizzum wrote: »
    was charged 180 to scan 31 cows. ..... was that fair price?

    Nightmares indeed:)

    did a bit searching there. .. u guys had bad readings, deaths etc.... rather pay a few bob extra and have a relaxed professional service and know where i stand...... penny wise ;)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 11,786 ✭✭✭✭whelan1


    have had vet scanning, he messed up , had an ai techician scanning he messed up, have this guy about 2years now and i am very happy with him, he is a sucklerfarmer with no airs and graces:)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,034 ✭✭✭Bizzum


    did a bit searching there. .. u guys had bad readings, deaths etc.... rather pay a few bob extra and have a relaxed professional service and know where i stand...... penny wise ;)

    Nope. No bad readings (wharever they are), no deaths, no hassle.........Very relaxed.
    Handling big incalf cows should always be relaxed, it is important the the scanner takes his time. The buck stops with the owner though, as an owner a nice steady throughput of stock is the way to go!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13 BBNightmares


    ha think i have found out where one of the moominder field trial sites are being carried out. .... really want to see it without the marketing frills


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1 BeaconHD


    FORD 4000 wrote: »
    Just wondering is anyone familiar with the Heat Seeker detection aid for cows? Im thinking of using it next year in order to detect cows for the AI.

    Apologies for reviving an old thread, but to any farmers interested in Heat Seeker, may I offer the following info (in the interests of disclosure, I represent Beacon Heat Detectors, the manufacturers of this product):

    Heat Seeker is a self adhesive heat detector, that is activated by the pressure of a mounting cow, forcing dye to be squeezed out of a tube inside the detector. Unlike older style pressure detectors like Kamar, the dye in a Heat Seeker will spread initially through the central bubble, but then with further mountings, the dye spreads eventually throughout the entire patch. The fact they are self-adhesive has seen them become very popular, particularly in Australia and NZ, because farmers dislike the messiness and inconvenience of having to manually apply an aggressive glue to the cow before placing the detector. Often, farmers worry that self-adhesive detectors will not stick as well - however, provided moulting cows have their loose hair removed prior to application, and provided Heat Seeker isn't applied in the wet (the company sells cartridges of glue separately in case required for wet weather conditions at time of application) or very cold (they can be heated up with a fan heater, hot water bottle, electric frying pan etc etc for a wee while prior to use) weather, then they have been proven to stick remarkably well. They have been on the market for a few years now and are rapidly gaining popularity.
    Available in different colours, some farmers like to use different colours for 2nd heats, returns, etc.
    Heat Seeker requires a few seconds of pressure in order to activate. This means if the cow does not stand to be ridden (ie isn't on heat) then the detector will not show a false positive. Farmers often like to use detectors such as this if they employ relatively inexperienced workers who may not be skilled in spotting secondary signs of heat - these detectors take the guesswork out of heat detection.
    With the global dairy industry becoming increasingly competitive, productivity is crucial and reducing missed heats (and false positives) means an increase in profit. Beacon Heat Detectors offers not only Heat Seekers, but also Bulling Beacon for farmers who still prefer to use manual adhesive, as well as ScratchE, a self-adhesive sticker that works like a lottery ticket. The mounting cow will rub off the silver lining revealing a vivid colour beneath.

    In summary, products like Heat Seeker, Bulling Beacon and ScratchE are worth a try during your breeding season. For further information, feel free to contact me or check the BHD website (beaconhd.com.au).

    Happy farming! :)


    Angus.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,087 ✭✭✭vanderbadger


    BeaconHD wrote: »
    Apologies for reviving an old thread, but to any farmers interested in Heat Seeker, may I offer the following info (in the interests of disclosure, I represent Beacon Heat Detectors, the manufacturers of this product):

    Heat Seeker is a self adhesive heat detector, that is activated by the pressure of a mounting cow, forcing dye to be squeezed out of a tube inside the detector. Unlike older style pressure detectors like Kamar, the dye in a Heat Seeker will spread initially through the central bubble, but then with further mountings, the dye spreads eventually throughout the entire patch. The fact they are self-adhesive has seen them become very popular, particularly in Australia and NZ, because farmers dislike the messiness and inconvenience of having to manually apply an aggressive glue to the cow before placing the detector. Often, farmers worry that self-adhesive detectors will not stick as well - however, provided moulting cows have their loose hair removed prior to application, and provided Heat Seeker isn't applied in the wet (the company sells cartridges of glue separately in case required for wet weather conditions at time of application) or very cold (they can be heated up with a fan heater, hot water bottle, electric frying pan etc etc for a wee while prior to use) weather, then they have been proven to stick remarkably well. They have been on the market for a few years now and are rapidly gaining popularity.
    Available in different colours, some farmers like to use different colours for 2nd heats, returns, etc.
    Heat Seeker requires a few seconds of pressure in order to activate. This means if the cow does not stand to be ridden (ie isn't on heat) then the detector will not show a false positive. Farmers often like to use detectors such as this if they employ relatively inexperienced workers who may not be skilled in spotting secondary signs of heat - these detectors take the guesswork out of heat detection.
    With the global dairy industry becoming increasingly competitive, productivity is crucial and reducing missed heats (and false positives) means an increase in profit. Beacon Heat Detectors offers not only Heat Seekers, but also Bulling Beacon for farmers who still prefer to use manual adhesive, as well as ScratchE, a self-adhesive sticker that works like a lottery ticket. The mounting cow will rub off the silver lining revealing a vivid colour beneath.

    In summary, products like Heat Seeker, Bulling Beacon and ScratchE are worth a try during your breeding season. For further information, feel free to contact me or check the BHD website (beaconhd.com.au).

    Happy farming! :)


    Angus.

    who sells them in Ireland?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 962 ✭✭✭john mayo 10


    most local co ops sell them. used heatseeker this year 50 eurs for 20 but well worth the money


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,087 ✭✭✭vanderbadger


    most local co ops sell them. used heatseeker this year 50 eurs for 20 but well worth the money

    not mine, check ed this morning..they have the kamars which are a bit messy


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,920 ✭✭✭freedominacup


    TBH the way is a teaser, he's has em picked up two days in advance.

    Mark one vasectomised teaser all the way. 100% reliable, always on the lookout this four times a day observation is only for softies he's there 24/7. Best of all he's really happy at his work.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 11,786 ✭✭✭✭whelan1


    Mark one vasectomised teaser all the way. 100% reliable, always on the lookout this four times a day observation is only for softies he's there 24/7. Best of all he's really happy at his work.
    do they get wicked?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,920 ✭✭✭freedominacup


    whelan1 wrote: »
    do they get wicked?

    Can do but keep them with the cows and they'll be in good condition plus you're only looking to get a season/year from them. You haven't a lot of cash tied up in them unlike a pedigree so little temptation to hold onto them.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 50 ✭✭rayzorsharpest


    Heat detectors work well on sucklers. But i find the scratchcards the best on sucklers. But a viscetimised bull is V.Good too


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 50 ✭✭rayzorsharpest


    Munster AI & Progessive Genetics sell these as well


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 349 ✭✭dungfly


    where on line can i buy scratchE cards? i find them very good?


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