Another day, another disgrace

take everything

Just reading about that Priory Hall Apartment Complex fcuk up there.
Every day it's something else. Screw everyone else for a quick buck. Take no responsibility.
Makes my blood boil. :mad:

These constant stories of ineptitude, greed, waste.
The stupidity and greed of the financial sector, the hubris and greed of the property boom, the waste and ineptitude in the HSE, the overvaluing of everything, it goes on...
It's hard not to feel that there is something inherently irresponsible, dysfunctional and disorganised about this place and its people.
Does Ireland need to undergo some serious introspection.
Or is it much the same everywhere.

Bit of a rant.
Sorry.

Chris P. Bacon

Have you got nothing else better to do on a Friday night other than give out!

nicechick!

Rant away!

maygitchell

Well fúck them OP, fúck everyone.


Except that lad whos in london having his first pint in 4 years after having cared for his mother ever since, fair play to him, i wish i was with him

phasers

Take a night off OP. Watch a bit of telly, order a pizza or something.

drdeadlift

take everything wrote: »

Just reading about that Priory Hall Apartment Complex fcuk up there.
Every day it's something else. Screw everyone else for a quick buck. Take no responsibility.
Makes my blood boil. :mad:

These constant stories of ineptitude, greed, waste.
The stupidity and greed of the financial sector, the hubris and greed of the property boom, the waste and ineptitiude in the HSE, the overvaluing of everything, it goes on...
It's hard not to feel that there is something inherently irresponsible, dysfunctional and disorganised about this place and its people.
Does Ireland need to under some serious introspection.
Or is it much the same everywhere.

Bit of a rant.


Sorry.

your right to rant,this country is just bent as a unail !

cocoshovel

ah shur!

wingsof daun

The blame is misdirected in this country. "We got ourselves into the mess" this is largely false. We are not responsible for our woes. Rather, it is the bankers and the IMF who are raping and pillaging the Irish people who are mostly to blame. And when they have robbed us down to nothing, they will move on and won't be seen in Ireland. Or, they might come after our natural resources such as gas and zinc. Who can stop these people?

maygitchell

Fair fúcks to the Judge though, in all fairness hes making sure the residents are being sorted, and hopefully hell screw over the two directors of the company who didnt even bother showing up in court

Gummy Panda

**** sake thats horrible for the people who bought property in that building :mad:

gurramok

Ah, the legacy of a quick buck without caring for the people Bertie. Yeh the law only suits the privileged few who don't give a sh1t what they build as long as their pockets are lined.

And they encompasses the developer, planners, the architects, the councillors who approved the development and the financiers aka the banks, have I left anyone out?!

danjo-xx

aaah it's not all bad ~ were very good at this:- :mad:


http://www.independent.ie/national-news/esb-diggers-halted-on-jailed-womans-land-2889148.html

My name is URL

I agree with the sentiment regarding the developers.. but do people not check for these things before they spend huge money? If you were buying a car you'd have a mechanic check it over first.

maygitchell

gurramok wrote: »

Ah, the legacy of a quick buck without caring for the people Bertie. Yeh the law only suits the privileged few who don't give a sh1t what they build as long as their pockets are lined.

And they encompasses the developer, planners, the architects, the councillors who approved the development and the financiers aka the banks, have I left anyone out?!

That cúnt Seanie Fitz

Dotrel

Amazing how the two pricks involved in the Priory case fit the exact stereotypical image of the Celtic Fat cat.

http://www.rte.ie/news/2011/0404/prioryhall.html

Chorcai

Hang on....

Fire officer inspected this place in Dec '09 !!! So this is a grave matter, yet, took 2yrs to reach court ? Begs the question why aren't the architects and the planning board dragged up in front of the judge. The developers aren't the only ones to blame here

joe stodge

live just up the road from there, they look like they were transplanted out of thethird world.

i know of people who rented up there, the stories they told me were unreal. the car park is completely unusable due to the fact its constantly flooded.

the fire brigade are parked up there for the next 2 nights untill the complex is empty.

i feel so sorry for these people.

PauloMN

take everything wrote: »

Just reading about that Priory Hall Apartment Complex fcuk up there.
Every day it's something else. Screw everyone else for a quick buck. Take no responsibility.
Makes my blood boil. :mad:

These constant stories of ineptitude, greed, waste.
The stupidity and greed of the financial sector, the hubris and greed of the property boom, the waste and ineptitude in the HSE, the overvaluing of everything, it goes on...
It's hard not to feel that there is something inherently irresponsible, dysfunctional and disorganised about this place and its people.
Does Ireland need to under some serious introspection.
Or is it much the same everywhere.

Bit of a rant.
Sorry.

Completely, utterly and totally agree with you OP. This news really got to me today also, it's just the prime example of every thing that was wrong with the Celtic Tiger.

I know After Hours is probably the wrong place to express this :P but I genuinely really feel for the people in those apartments, probably already in big debt, and now told they can't live in, rent out or sell their homes because of some pricks who just wanted to screw as much money out of someone else as they possibly could. The ultimate "ahh sure, it'll do..." - even if it means putting peoples' lives at risk. :mad:

I'd love to help the apartment owners out in some way, they've got to try and make their case whilst trying to find somewhere to live and still pay a mortgage on a property that is effectively now worthless. Not sure what I can do to help, but I'd be happy to put a website together for them completely free-of-charge, if it would help in some way. Might help to publicise their plight, get people behind them etc.. If anyone is involved with them and thinks that would help, feel free to PM me.

mlumley

Jail the two directors till work is done on the place, mbet it will be done very fast then. F*ckers need teaching a lesson. God, this country is bad, emmigrating next year, cant waite.

Einhard

take everything wrote: »

Just reading about that Priory Hall Apartment Complex fcuk up there.
Every day it's something else. Screw everyone else for a quick buck. Take no responsibility.
Makes my blood boil. :mad:

These constant stories of ineptitude, greed, waste.
The stupidity and greed of the financial sector, the hubris and greed of the property boom, the waste and ineptitude in the HSE, the overvaluing of everything, it goes on...
It's hard not to feel that there is something inherently irresponsible, dysfunctional and disorganised about this place and its people.
Does Ireland need to under some serious introspection.
Or is it much the same everywhere.

Bit of a rant.
Sorry.

I agree with you for the most part OP. It's an absolute disgrace and the developers to have the book thrown at them. However, I don't think this can be taken as an indictment of Ireland. Everytime something sh!tty happens in this country, people react as if this is the only country in the world where sh!tty things happen. Well it's not. There are shoddy developments, douchebag developers and all the rest in every other nation. Be outraged alright, but let's put the whole "Only in Ireland :rolleyes:" to bed already...

wingsof daun wrote: »

The blame is misdirected in this country. "We got ourselves into the mess" this is largely false. We are not responsible for our woes. Rather, it is the bankers and the IMF who are raping and pillaging the Irish people who are mostly to blame. And when they have robbed us down to nothing, they will move on and won't be seen in Ireland. Or, they might come after our natural resources such as gas and zinc. Who can stop these people?

How exactly are the IMF responsible for our fiscal woes? This sounds like something from the Occupy Dame Street playbook- find someone to project the blame onto, and don't bother with the facts of the situation. The IMF didn't issue the blanket guarantee; the IMF didn't create the housing bubble; the IMF didn't spend money unsustainably- you might not agree with the bailout, but the IMF didn't force it on us. In other words, the IMF are not the reason we're in this mess.

gurramok wrote: »

Yeh the law only suits the privileged few who don't give a sh1t what they build as long as their pockets are lined.

How can you say this in relation to a situation where the developers have been prosecuted, and the case forwarded by the judge to the DPP?

PauloMN

Einhard wrote: »

I agree with you for the most part OP. It's an absolute disgrace and the developers to have the book thrown at them. However, I don't think this can be taken as an indictment of Ireland. Everytime something sh!tty happens in this country, people react as if this is the only country in the world where sh!tty things happen. Well it's not. There are shoddy developments, douchebag developers and all the rest in every other nation. Be outraged alright, but let's put the whole "Only in Ireland :rolleyes:" to bed already...

Yep, there's shoddy developments everywhere and greedy pricks also. Won't deny that. The difference is the sheer amount of them that all happened in a short space of time. I doubt you could think of another country similar in size to Ireland where these shoddy developments... actually not just shoddy, but unsafe developments were thrown together by developers just hungry for cash and driving the property market up at an extraordinary rate. I can't think of anywhere with a similar situation.

This is only the start of it also imo. There's literally hundreds of these types of developments, and we're going to see lots more of similar issues over the next few years I bet.

maygitchell

mlumley wrote: »

Jail the two directors till work is done on the place, mbet it will be done very fast then. F*ckers need teaching a lesson. God, this country is bad, emmigrating next year, cant waite.

I hope for your sake that theres no English language test on admission to whatever country you find yourself in

PauloMN

maygitchell wrote: »

I hope for your sake that theres no English language test on admission to whatever country you find yourself in

Do you reckon you would pass it?

stovelid

I say Tom McFeely is probably used to disregarding human life judging by his background anyway.

nomdeboardie

take everything wrote: »

Does Ireland need to undergo some serious introspection.

phasers wrote: »

Watch a bit of telly

It's called Primetime, Frontline et al., and it's cushy salaries are provided by, well, you know...

fran38

My name is URL wrote: »

I agree with the sentiment regarding the developers.. but do people not check for these things before they spend huge money? If you were buying a car you'd have a mechanic check it over first.

I'd assume the buyers needed a civil engineers 'snag list' before moneys were released from the banks? Now, that's no guarantee to prevent sub standard work. Believe me, I have personal experience of this.
My point being, if the owners did get 'snag lists', then they'd be forgiven in thinking that the apartments/complex was kosher...

PauloMN

fran38 wrote: »

I'd assume the buyers needed a civil engineers 'snag list' before moneys were released from the banks? Now, that's no guarantee to prevent sub standard work. Believe me, I have personal experience of this.
My point being, if the owners did get 'snag lists', then they'd be forgiven in thinking that the apartments/complex was kosher...

A snag list won't test for fire safety. Apartments should not be sold unless they are certified fire safe. I presume the documentation was in order and hence the buyers were unaware. A person buying an apartment should not have to do fire safety checks.

The way that fire safety regs are applied in Ireland is the problem. My understanding is that the developers get the approval based on plans and details of construction, and that the actual build might be inspected, but likely never is. So unless the builders are following the spec, the actual resulting building might not have adaquate fire safety measures.

All blocks of apartments should be inspected on a regular basis during construction to ensure fire safety regs are being met. Without that, the whole "ahhh sure it'll do" attitude can just fester, and someone will end up dead in a fire.

Captain Darling

The developer responsible for this has been 'ruined' by the property crash yet he can still afford to live down Ailesbury Road. This country is a tota fcuking joke!

Helium

Sorry seen the thread title , thought someone had the sh1ts again!!:p

fran oconnor

It was on prime time last night about the situation up there, it's very sad new's for the people involved. I don't think this is going to be the end of it though, i think there will be many more developments found to be build in the same ****e manner as this place. If it was me in those peoples situation there is no way i'd be moving back in, you could never be sure if the job is right and the value of the appartments has hit rock bottom.

Captain Darling

It would be interesting to know how many other developments were built to this 'standard.'

fran oconnor

Captain Darling wrote: »

It would be interesting to know how many other developments were built to this 'standard.'

I think at this stage, the governement should have all new housing projects that where built in the last ten years checked out..

wingsof daun

wingsof daun wrote: »

The blame is misdirected in this country. "We got ourselves into the mess" this is largely false. We are not responsible for our woes. Rather, it is the bankers and the IMF who are raping and pillaging the Irish people who are mostly to blame. And when they have robbed us down to nothing, they will move on and won't be seen in Ireland. Or, they might come after our natural resources such as gas and zinc. Who can stop these people?

Call me crazy but as of this moment in time, we've been given a lend by the IMF etc. So as of this moment, we're up money from them.. But we're still fuked. What's your logic? If we only got fuked in years to come when the interest + principle is paid back, then you'd have something resembling a point.

We did it to ourselves. The EU funded massive projects in this country and let us sell into Europe with no duties. And we still fuked up.
Now the "raping" by Europe is only beginning yet you blame it on getting us to this point.. You're very simply put, wrong.

gurramok

Einhard wrote: »

How can you say this in relation to a situation where the developers have been prosecuted, and the case forwarded by the judge to the DPP?

They were built 5 years ago. We were lucky the place didn't burn down since then.

Captain Darling

I'm surprised that people in AH havent more to say about it. Maybe the title isnt sensational enough or something.

homerjay2005

theres probably many more priory halls waiting to happen all over ireland.

AudreyHepburn

This is an awful situation for the people involved to be sure.

But come on, can we not get through on day without whinging about the state of the economy or the disgrace that is our government or greedy developers trying ruin us poor innocent little lambs.

We all play a part in the running of this country and we must apportion some of the blame. Fobbing the blame off on some-one else is not the answer.

People borrowed ridiculous amounts of money, brought more homes/cars etc than they could afford etc and now they are paying for it. Yes the government was corrupt and played its part but human greed has a lot to answer for too.

We do not suffer wars, famines, natural disasters. We are certainly not even close to poverty stricken.

Perhaps it is now time to drop the oh-woe-is-us malarky and actually concentrate on building ourselves up again.

Whinning and moaning will get no-one anywhere.