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know a timber frame

  • 14-10-2011 2:50pm
    #1
    ANSI
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    How can you tell if your house is a timber frame house?


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  • #2
    Poor Uncle Tom
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    A few ways:

    From the outside: Check along just under the plinth plaster line and on any gables along just under the soffit on the wall for small rectangular or circular vents.

    From the Inside: Tap lightly on the outer wall, if it sounds hollow it could be TF, of course it could also be drylined so you are best to check in the attic space, if your house is gabled you will see a timber frame at the gable not blockwork, if your house is hipped you will need to crawl to the side and look at what the inner leaf is made from, if it's timber = TF, if it's block......


  • #3
    ANSI
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    Poor Uncle Tom wrote: »
    A few ways:

    From the outside: Check along just under the plinth plaster line and on any gables along just under the soffit on the wall for small rectangular or circular vents.

    From the Inside: Tap lightly on the outer wall, if it sounds hollow it could be TF, of course it could also be drylined so you are best to check in the attic space, if your house is gabled you will see a timber frame at the gable not blockwork, if your house is hipped you will need to crawl to the side and look at what the inner leaf is made from, if it's timber = TF, if it's block......

    Thanks. In the attic there is block at gable and the outerwall is more solid than drylined would sound I would say.

    I do not understand "plinth plaster line" or "hipped" or "inner leaf"


  • #4
    DOCARCH
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    Poor Uncle Tom wrote: »
    A few ways:
    Check along just under the plinth plaster line and on any gables along just under the soffit on the wall for small rectangular or circular vents.

    Don't bet on that one!

    I lived (rented) in a developer built timber frame house in an estate of timber frame houses and apartments in Dublin. No vents either at base or top of wall. About 2 years after the estate was built, builder had to come back and retro-fit vents to every house and apartment block.....after visit by DOE&LG inspectors! ;)

    I wonder is this query spurred by Joe Duffy's programme today?


  • #5
    ANSI
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    DOCARCH wrote: »
    Don't bet on that one!

    I lived (rented) in a developer built timber frame house in an estate of timber frame houses and apartments in Dublin. No vents either at base or top of wall. About 2 years after the estate was built, builder had to come back and retro-fit vents to every house and apartment block.....after visit by DOE&LG inspectors! ;)

    I wonder is this query spurred by Joe Duffy's programme today?
    Yes it is

    And concerns re fire compliancy/and the people who have to move out of their apartments in dublin also on JD.

    My house is 2 bed semi d local authority from 2005. how do i find if it is fire compliant?


  • #6
    DOCARCH
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    ANSI wrote: »
    And concerns re fire compliancy/and the people who have to move out of their apartments in dublin also on JD.

    No need to shout!

    At least you are in a semi-D house. This is far safer. One thing you can check is the party wall in the attic and make sure there are no gaps between the top of the wall and the underside of the roof.

    As to other areas of the construction, unfortuantley it is very hard to establish whether or not the construction is compliant without opening up the structure. There should be fire stopping within the cavity of the external walls along the party line - this, along with other measures to prevent fire spread, cannot be seen/checked with opening up the structure.

    One the major problems with Priory Hall is the lack of firestopping within the structure - its firestopping the stops fire spreading through cavities from house to house or apartment to apartment.


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  • #7
    ANSI
    Closed Accounts Posts: 384 ✭✭ANSI


    DOCARCH wrote: »
    No need to shout! .
    ?? I was not shouting clarifying what i was referring to. Shouting is CAPITALS, THAT IS SHOUTING!!!;)


  • #8
    DOCARCH
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    ANSI wrote: »
    ?? I was not shouting clarifying what i was referring to. Shouting is CAPITALS, THAT IS SHOUTING!!!;)

    Fair enough.


  • #9
    ANSI
    Closed Accounts Posts: 384 ✭✭ANSI


    DOCARCH wrote: »
    Fair enough.
    One thing you can check is the party wall in the attic and make sure there are no gaps between the top of the wall and the underside of the roof.
    yes have done that


  • #10
    Poor Uncle Tom
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    ANSI wrote: »
    In the attic there is block at gable.
    Yours is a block built house so. If it were TF you would only see timber studs and felt at the gable with the outer block outside the felt.
    DOCARCH wrote: »
    Don't bet on that one!

    I lived (rented) in a developer built timber frame house in an estate of timber frame houses and apartments in Dublin. No vents either at base or top of wall. About 2 years after the estate was built, builder had to come back and retro-fit vents to every house and apartment block.....after visit by DOE&LG inspectors! ;)

    I wonder is this query spurred by Joe Duffy's programme today?
    When descriding something to someone, I am assuming it is done correctly.


  • #11
    ANSI
    Closed Accounts Posts: 384 ✭✭ANSI


    Poor Uncle Tom wrote: »
    Yours is a block built house so. If it were TF you would only see timber studs and felt at the gable with the outer block outside the felt.
    OK thanks for your help


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  • #12
    DOCARCH
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    Poor Uncle Tom wrote: »
    When descriding something to someone, I am assuming it is done correctly.

    Of course. I appreciate that.


  • #13
    Poor Uncle Tom
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    I was going onto a site one day and I met a new frame assembler for a large TF outfit leaving at the same time. He stopped and introduced himself and said they had gotten two frames up in record time, they even had spare bits left over. I looked into the back of his truck only to see all the fire stop strips being brought away.....:D


  • #14
    ANSI
    Closed Accounts Posts: 384 ✭✭ANSI


    Poor Uncle Tom wrote: »
    I was going onto a site one day and I met a new frame assembler for a large TF outfit leaving at the same time. He stopped and introduced himself and said they had gotten two frames up in record time, they even had spare bits left over. I looked into the back of his truck only to see all the fire stop strips being brought away.....:D
    They are some ba****** to leave someone live in a house thinking they are protected


  • #15
    DOCARCH
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    That does not surprise me one little bit PUT!

    It's like the estate I lived in without the vents, the builders excuse was (with regard to timber frame)... 'its a new technology'! That was 2002. I wouldn't mind but the timber frame was being supplied by one of the largest TF companies at that time - you'd think somebody would have spotted it!


  • #16
    Poor Uncle Tom
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    ANSI wrote: »
    They are some ba****** to leave someone live in a house thinking they are protected
    Some people don't even know what they are leaving out. It might have been that fella's first day on the job, but it was also his last. I left him off and put the TF company on notice.


  • #17
    ANSI
    Closed Accounts Posts: 384 ✭✭ANSI


    DOCARCH wrote: »
    That does not surprise me one little bit PUT!

    It's like the estate I lived in without the vents, the builders excuse was (with regard to timber frame)... 'its a new technology'! That was 2002. I wouldn't mind but the timber frame was being supplied by one of the largest TF companies at that time - you'd think somebody would have spotted it!
    On JD it was said that cement bags were used where something else I cannot recal should have been and was not an error


  • #18
    Poor Uncle Tom
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    ANSI wrote: »
    On JD it was said that cement bags were used where something else I cannot recal should have been and was not an error

    You will get a lot of scare mongering and urban ledgends being regurgitated as well.

    One thing I will say though is that in general on a TF site, one thing there won't be many of is cement bags.


  • #19
    ANSI
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    Poor Uncle Tom wrote: »
    You will get a lot of scare mongering and urban ledgends being regurgitated as well.
    well it was from guys who had worked on sites not TF;s and they were saying that any hole left when plasters came was covered with cement bags and plastered
    One thing I will say though is that in general on a TF site, one thing there won't be many of is cement bags.
    that is true i guess


  • #20
    sas
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    ANSI wrote: »
    well it was from guys who had worked on sites not TF;s and they were saying that any hole left when plasters came was covered with cement bags and plastered

    that is true i guess

    In my first home, we replaced all the doors at one time. I removed the old door frames myself.

    In several places I pulled out old cement bags that were used as packers between the frame and some "lovely" block work. The plasterers had plastered it into the wall. So there's definitely truth that this particular item has been known to happen.

    Sadly, I'd imagine it's the least of peoples worries when it comes to what could be buried in our homes.


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