Good deal or not? 2011 Ford Focus ex-Showroom - €16950

sean.casaidhe

Hi all,

I'm buying my first car. Being a family man these days, I decided on a Ford Focus for a bunch of reasons, and was looking at an '08 or 09 as being within budget.

However the Ford showroom is offering 2011 ex-showroom models, with circa 30,000k on the clock, for €16950 (and I'm assuming I can get more off that for cash).

But I don't know if this is a good deal or not? Currently, 2010 models are around the 15-18k price range (autozone.ie) so it seems good value to me... I'm assuming servicing etc. etc. is all bang on, being ex-showroom models sold by Ford.

any opinions from people more experienced than I?
thanks!
sean.

That's a decent lash of miles for a 2011 car, presume they are diesel? Price seems ok though in fairness, of course there is a new Focus now, 'tis a manky looking thing though.

Soarer

Must be some size of a showroom to clock up 30K in less than 12 months!
You sure they're not ex fleet/hire cars that're being returned?

Padraig Mor

Soarer wrote: »

Must be some size of a showroom to clock up 30K in less than 12 months!
You sure they're not ex fleet/hire cars that're being returned?

That's more like it I'd say!

The Tyre Dude

That mileage would be way to high for me, I'd say that engine has had the life caned out of it.

R.O.R

sean.casaidhe wrote: »

Hi all,

I'm buying my first car. Being a family man these days, I decided on a Ford Focus for a bunch of reasons, and was looking at an '08 or 09 as being within budget.

However the Ford showroom is offering 2011 ex-showroom models, with circa 30,000k on the clock, for €16950 (and I'm assuming I can get more off that for cash).

But I don't know if this is a good deal or not? Currently, 2010 models are around the 15-18k price range (autozone.ie) so it seems good value to me... I'm assuming servicing etc. etc. is all bang on, being ex-showroom models sold by Ford.

any opinions from people more experienced than I?
thanks!
sean.

They will be definately be ex. rental vehicles, back to the dealers after the summer season on rent.

Doubt that much damage can have been done to a Focus in 30,000km. As long as the history is showing 1 service, and you get a decent warranty, there is no reason not to go for one.

They can take a lot of abuse, and still keep on going with no problems.

The Tyre Dude

R.O.R wrote: »

Doubt that much damage can have been done to a Focus in 30,000km. As long as the history is showing 1 service, and you get a decent warranty, there is no reason not to go for one.

They can take a lot of abuse, and still keep on going with no problems.

Well there is not a hope I would consider a rental car with that kind of mileage, we all know how they get abused, and if it is a TDCi do you think that engine has been cooled down properly, so the turbo has had a very hard life. Warranty is good thing but I would be looking elsewhere.

Berty

Is it a 2011 though or a 2009/2010 model with a 2011 registration plate?

Completely different vehicles.

SimonF

price seems decent although if they're saying its an ex showroom model I'd be asking about the mileage and why its so high. once its serviced on time and is covered with a warranty whats on the clock wouldn't bother me.
Does the spec show ex demo or more bog standard fleet car?

R.O.R

The Tyre Dude wrote: »

Well there is not a hope I would consider a rental car with that kind of mileage, we all know how they get abused, and if it is a TDCi do you think that engine has been cooled down properly, so the turbo has had a very hard life. Warranty is good thing but I would be looking elsewhere.

Meh -we've had 60+ Focus 1.6Tdci's out with a construction company, and very few of them gave any major issues. I can't image rental drivers can be any harder on the cars than these guys.

Most of them came back with well over 200,000km, and were still going.

The Tyre Dude

Well it least it won't have any DPF issues.

sean.casaidhe

Hi all,

thanks for the feedback. So looks like a reasonable deal for a Ford Focus? The reliability of the car is exactly why we wanted a Focus in the first place.

I did ask about why the cars are returned, thinking maybe ex-rentals or re-possessesion, but I've been assured that they are brand new models which have been used for test drives. I would obviously have to check the logs books etc. to see who the previous owners were - no-one, or the garage, I suppose. I also suppose - again I'd check - that at LEAST the required servicing has been done.

If I understood correctly (and will have to question this closely with the dealer) it's a MAX of 30k kilometers but probably under, depending on the car. I think the idea is that Ford flog their ex-showroom models before the average mileage for the car is exceeded, which afaik is about 30,000 kilometers, right?

I also read somewhere that Ford offer extended warranties if you service the car at Ford centres - will have to check up on that.

Now - how much of a discount should I ask for as a cash buyer??
thanks again guys!
sean.

EPM

Ford don't have ex-showroom models. Dealers have demos that they use for testdrives. It could be the case it's a member of Fords staff that had use of it but tbh it sounds like its a rental/fleet car.

Henry Ford III

RoverJames wrote: »

.....of course there is a new Focus now, 'tis a manky looking thing though.

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder RJ. This presumably is more appealing to your unarguable sense of taste?

sean.casaidhe

EPM wrote: »

Ford don't have ex-showroom models. Dealers have demos that they use for testdrives. It could be the case it's a member of Fords staff that had use of it but tbh it sounds like its a rental/fleet car.

Hmm... thanks for that! I'll definately have to question the salesman a great deal harder and look at the paperwork - I'm pressed him about why they're flogging 2011 cars at a cut price, and he did say several times that they're ex-showroom models "and we're getting a good price from Ford".

Gophur

sean.casaidhe wrote: »

Hmm... thanks for that! I'll definately have to question the salesman a great deal harder and look at the paperwork - I'm pressed him about why they're flogging 2011 cars at a cut price, and he did say several times that they're ex-showroom models "and we're getting a good price from Ford".

You are being lied to. These cars are not demo cars, they are ex-rentals.

"ex-showroom" doesn't mean anything.

The Tyre Dude

sean.casaidhe wrote: »

Hmm... thanks for that! I'll definately have to question the salesman a great deal harder and look at the paperwork - I'm pressed him about why they're flogging 2011 cars at a cut price, and he did say several times that they're ex-showroom models "and we're getting a good price from Ford".

Don't question him, make it known that you are taking your business elsewhere and that it is BS like this that gives the motor trade a bad name. I'd share your experience with Ford Ireland too.

turbodiesel

The Tyre Dude wrote: »

Don't question him, make it known that you are taking your business elsewhere and that it is BS like this that gives the motor trade a bad name. I'd share your experience with Ford Ireland too.

I agree, even if you allow for a staff member using is as a runaround there should be more than about 12k miles on it.

15k max for cash, but i reckon he's telling porkie pies about the mileage........

VolvoMan

Henry Ford III wrote: »

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder RJ. This presumably is more appealing to your unarguable sense of taste?

That colour is called Primrose and is very rare and desirable on a 75.

CianRyan

VolvoMan wrote: »

Henry Ford III wrote: »

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder RJ. This presumably is more appealing to your unarguable sense of taste?

That colour is called Primrose and is very rare and desirable on a 75.

It can be rare all it likes, it's still ugly as sin.

ShadowHearth

Bull ****.

30000km in 10 months ( 30x10 = 300 days )

so it was showing off 7 days per week 100km daily?! 10xtrips per day of 10km everyday including weekends and bank holidays...


It's a rental. Dealer already bull****ing you. I would take my business elsewhere op. It's a rental car.

cadaliac

Log book should tell if it was a rental or not.
OP ask for the Log book before you make any decisions, and the service history too.

R.O.R

There are 46 2011 Focus's on Carzone, between €16k & €17k, with more than 10,000 miles.

One is in an independant dealer in Cork, one is in an independant dealer in Galway, and 44 are split between 2 Dublin Ford dealers that are part of the same group.

If they aren't ex. rentals, I'll buy a hat to eat.

The Tyre Dude

R.O.R wrote: »

If they aren't ex. rentals, I'll buy a hat to eat.

Just don't buy it from the OP's dealer, you'd never know where it had been.

mullingar

I just looked at carzone for all 2011 Focus's (Focii??) over 10kmiles. They are nearly all the poverty spec Style model :pac:

Sounds like a bulk buy by the rental companies! It would be interesting to see how many of the reg's are sequential!

Hell, the same car picture appears several times for different ads! White, Black, Blue, Red

The Tyre Dude

OP, those cars are underspecced and over priced, you'll pick up a UK 2011 Ford Focus 1.6 Tdci Zetec 110 with Com + Sport Pack, less than 10,000 miles for around €16,000 including VRT.

Soarer

ShadowHearth wrote: »

Bull ****.

30000km in 10 months ( 30x10 = 300 days )

so it was showing off 7 days per week 100km daily?! 10xtrips per day of 10km everyday including weekends and bank holidays...


It's a rental. Dealer already bull****ing you. I would take my business elsewhere op. It's a rental car.

And that's only if it was first on the road in January! Figures get more scary when you think if it was first registered in February, March, April...

mullingar

The Tyre Dude wrote: »

OP, those cars are underspecced and over priced, you'll pick up a UK 2011 Ford Focus 1.6 Tdci Zetec 110 with Com + Sport Pack, less than 10,000 miles for around €16,000 including VRT.

I just looked up the UK prices and you are correct.

VRT is around €2,500 for a 2011 diesel focus.

You will land a nice UK Titanium spec (with ALL the goodies) with LESS than 10kmiles for around 18k.

Doesn't Ford UK offer a European 3yr warranty compared to a 2yr warranty here?

corktina

its possible this one is UK import. If its an early 2011 it would be on a 60 plate in the UK rather than the more sought after 11 plate. , so importing it here elevates it to the latest plate. Same goes for the other 40 odd mentioned too I guess.
Check if the speedo is in miles, of course it would be easy for Ford to swap that anyway.

Henry Ford III

Henry Ford III wrote: »

........... This presumably is more appealing to your unarguable sense of taste?

..........

That's a rotten looking 75, I'd sooner pick my arse with barbed wire than drive one like that to be honest

Most definitely more appealing than the new Focus though

Henry Ford III

RoverJames wrote: »

...Most definitely more appealing than the new Focus though

Only to a tiny insignificant minority thankfully

sean.casaidhe

Thanks for all the replies. I'm not interested in importing from the UK, I want a local dealer where I can get my hands around someone's neck if there's any probs with the car.

I thought it sounded too good to be true - will definately scrutinise the logbook and mileage and stay well clear if it's an ex-rental. And give the sales guy a bollocking for misleading. And yes, the dealer is one of those ford dealerships.

I don't really care about getting a high-spec car, it's be nice, but I fully intend to drive it into the ground so resale value isn't a huge consideration. Good reliability and warrenty are!

So it looks like it'll be an 08/09 model after all, if the dealer is BS'ing me.
thanks again
Sean

bazz26

What kind of annual mileage are you doing? If it is low then it makes more sense to buy a petrol model. They still only cost €156 to tax, less likely to give trouble over it's life compared to a more complex diesel engine and since you are driving it into the ground you don't have to be concerned with trying to sell it on.

This one is brand new and I'm sure there is bargining on the price too:
http://www.driving.ie/usedcars/index.cfm?fuseaction=car&carID=201140204857593

or these low mileage ones:
http://www.driving.ie/usedcars/index.cfm?fuseaction=car&carID=201117202214081
http://www.driving.ie/usedcars/index.cfm?fuseaction=car&carID=201139204680895
http://www.driving.ie/usedcars/index.cfm?fuseaction=car&carID=201115201984494

gazmc18

Op this Focus your talking about is a hire drive. Saying that if it has 10 - 15K on it there cant be a whole pile wrong with it, 30K would probaly put me off though. Its still under warranty and you can extend it up to 5 years if you like.

The style model in 2011 has alloys, fogs, heated front screen and bluetooth so it has a few bits on it.
a lot of the 2011 reg models will be 115ps too.

bazz26

gazmc18 wrote: »

Op this Focus your talking about is a hire drive. Saying that if it has 10 - 15K on it there cant be a whole pile wrong with it, 30K would probaly put me off though. Its still under warranty and you can extend it up to 5 years if you like.

The style model in 2011 has alloys, fogs, heated front screen and bluetooth so it has a few bits on it.
a lot of the 2011 reg models will be 115ps too.

The new model Focus Style doesn't have that high spec anymore. The old model Focus Style does alright and is 110bhp but at €17k I would assume it is the new model. Also warranty isn't much good if the car had the nuts driven out of it. The manufacturer will only cover parts that have worn prematurely or have a design defect, they will not cover parts that need replacing due to excessive wear and tear.

R.O.R

bazz26 wrote: »

The new model Focus Style doesn't have that high spec anymore.

Are you thinking of the new model Focus Edge there bazz?

bazz26

R.O.R wrote: »

Are you thinking of the new model Focus Edge there bazz?

Yes, just seen that the new model Edge replaced the old model Style as the entry model of the range. €17k would be expensive for a 2011 old model Style even with 30k km imo.

gazmc18

my bad was thinking of the 1.8TDCI at 115ps, the 2011 styles were mostly 109ps alright. this defo isnt the new model
I think 17K is the value of it tbh they will sell for that all day long.
Of course the wearable parts wont be covered, personally id still pay for the 5yr warranty it could end up saving you a few quid.
The Edge isnt the entry spec model either, believe it or not there is a spec with even less on it.

Henry Ford III

bazz26 wrote: »

Yes, just seen that the new model Edge replaced the old model Style as the entry model of the range. €17k would be expensive for a 2011 old model Style even with 30k km imo.

At launch I think there was a low spec. entry model called simply Focus. After that you had Edge, Zetec and Titanium.

Looks like the Titanium is not available now.

R.O.R

Henry Ford III wrote: »

At launch I think there was a low spec. entry model called simply Focus. After that you had Edge, Zetec and Titanium.

Looks like the Titanium is not available now.

Think the Titanium is still available, and now at a lower price. My dealer was trying to upsell a Zetec I have on order.

johnos1984

Henry Ford III wrote: »

Looks like the Titanium is not available now.

MADNESS if it's true.

It's the only one I'd have IF I had to get a Focus hatch.......then again I do like the saloon a lot for some reason.

But I'm still waiting for the Kia Optima to come along

unkel

ShadowHearth wrote: »

Dealer already bull****ing you. I would take my business elsewhere op. It's a rental car.

+1

I know lying is rampant in car sales, but if a dealer told me a blatant lie about a car of that value, I'd walk away

And perhaps send the MD of the dealership an email a few days later questioning the history of the car. If he is stupid enough to lie in the reply email, ring Joe Duffy and hang the dealer out to dry

If he tells the truth then tell him his salesperson lied to you

lifer_sean

cadaliac wrote: »

Log book should tell if it was a rental or not.
OP ask for the Log book before you make any decisions, and the service history too.

In lots of cases hire cars will not have the name of the hire company. Enterprise car hire will have ERAC (Ireland) Ltd on tax book, Hertz will have the name of a holding company on the tax book.

In some cases the dealers lease the cars to the hire drive companies, so the dealer name could well be on the tax book.

@OP, I'd have to agree with the others on here that the car is almost certainly a hire car. I wouldn't worry too much about that, but I'm not impressed by the dealer trying to mislead. Good deal from Ford Ireland? Yeah, right !

gazmc18

Titanium is still available. Personally if i was getting the hatch i would get it in Zetec, it looks more sporty imo.
In fairness sometimes the dealers will get certain discounts from the manufacturer off certain models for a said period of time.

Henry Ford III

gazmc18 wrote: »

Titanium is still available. Personally if i was getting the hatch i would get it in Zetec, it looks more sporty imo.
In fairness sometimes the dealers will get certain discounts from the manufacturer off certain models for a said period of time.

It's not an option on www.ford.ie car configurator anymore.

bazz26

Titanium is probably a Special Order now. Ford Titanium spec models are normally crazy money when new which limits their demand here.

gazmc18

They might be updating the site or something iam not sure, its definintly available though trust me

mullingar

Ford UK have 5 spec options!

Studio
Edge
Zetec
Titanium
Titanium X

and 11 engine/gearbox combos! :mad::mad:


1.6 85 PS S5, 5 Speed
1.6 105 PS S5, 5 Speed
1.6 125 PS S5, 5 Speed
1.6 125 PS S5, PowerShift
1.6T 150 PS EcoBoost S5, 6 Speed
1.6 TDCi 095 PS (DPF) S5, 6 Speed
1.6 TDCi 115 PS (DPF) S5, 6 Speed
2.0 TDCi 140 PS (DPF) S5, 6 Speed
2.0 TDCi 140 PS (DPF) S5, PowerShift
2.0 TDCi 163 PS (DPF) S5, 6 Speed
2.0 TDCi 163 PS (DPF) S5, PowerShift



Edit; for comparision:

Ford IE:

Focus
Edge
Zetec



1.6 VCT 105, 5 Speed
1.6 VCT 125, 5 Speed
1.6 TDCI 95, 6 Speed
1.6 TDCI 115, 6 Speed
2.0 TDCI 115, Powershift


Also Ford UK dont offer the saloon Focus

Marcusm

corktina wrote: »

its possible this one is UK import. If its an early 2011 it would be on a 60 plate in the UK rather than the more sought after 11 plate. , so importing it here elevates it to the latest plate. Same goes for the other 40 odd mentioned too I guess.
Check if the speedo is in miles, of course it would be easy for Ford to swap that anyway.

Or the more desirable 61 plate which has applied for 6 weeks now - some in Uk would see this as more than a year old although it could be less than 8 months.