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Conflicting advice

  • 13-10-2011 11:49am
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 273 ✭✭


    I've just completed my first novel (103K wordcount) and am in the process of proofing, editing, slashing, deleting etc. I have received conflicting advice though when it comes to preparing it for, in the event of someone saying the magical words "Yes, we'd like to see the first three chapters." Might as well dream huh?

    Anyway, I have been advised to make sure the paragraph indents are present and correct whilst at the same time being told by someone who's published, albeit a poet, "nah, don't worry about things like indents for now, let you're writing speak for itself first."

    Two extremes, any thoughts guys?

    P.S Thought I better edit this. My 'albeit a poet' remark is not meant to offend.


Comments

  • Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 35,739 Mod ✭✭✭✭pickarooney


    I think it should be well down the list of considerations. AFAIK publishers have varying standards as to what the paragraph layouts should look like so they're unlikely to reject a book just on that basis. I'd advise you to get a couple of pairs of eyes to read over what you have before you start editing just so you don't go down the track of moving commas about when the plot needs to be reworked.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 273 ✭✭Danpad


    Yes, I have several readers in place and trust me, the plot needs reworking! I can't believe how convoluted I made it. I have the first three chapters how I want them as I'm entering a comp which requires the first three. That's when a couple of my readers brought up the 'paragraph' suggestions.
    Thanks for the advice.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,746 ✭✭✭✭FewFew


    Most publishers will give you parameters to follow. Anyways, it's pretty easy to change all that jazz, just go into your formatting settings and change the various paragraph bits. Do it once and it should change your whole document.


  • Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 35,739 Mod ✭✭✭✭pickarooney


    Fewcifur wrote: »
    Most publishers will give you parameters to follow. Anyways, it's pretty easy to change all that jazz, just go into your formatting settings and change the various paragraph bits. Do it once and it should change your whole document.

    Sometimes even for the better :)

    Always keep at least 7 copies of your files before making any global changes.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,775 ✭✭✭EileenG


    Publishes often have formats that they expect their authors to use, but for submissions, they are not as strict. The big thing is that it is readable and professional looking.

    If it's a paper sub, make sure it's double spaced, one side of the paper only, in a standard font, and 12 point with all pages numbered. Indent paragraphs, but don't put spaces between them. The first paragraph of each new chapter starts a third of the way down the page.

    If it's an e-mail sub, keep it simple without weird formatting. Use a standard document type. .doc or .rtf are usually fine. Before you submit, go back and check for non-printing characters like tabs, extra spaces, etc which may muck up the layout on someone else's computer.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 273 ✭✭Danpad


    Really appreciate all the tips guys. On the zillion copies I made, I have it double spaced, font size 12, Times New Roman. I found the utility in MS word that lets you cancel out the spacing between paragraphs. Thing is though, when I want to start a new line of dialogue and hit the enter key it 'double spaces' the double space. Actually d'you know what, maybe this is turning into more of a techinical question so feel free to shift it elsewhere.
    Cheers.

    Sorry folks, just remembered the arrow keys, that solves the dialogue issue, can't see the wood for the trees sometimes!


  • Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 35,739 Mod ✭✭✭✭pickarooney


    Danpad wrote: »
    Really appreciate all the tips guys. On the zillion copies I made, I have it double spaced, font size 12, Times New Roman. I found the utility in MS word that lets you cancel out the spacing between paragraphs. Thing is though, when I want to start a new line of dialogue and hit the enter key it 'double spaces' the double space. Actually d'you know what, maybe this is turning into more of a techinical question so feel free to shift it elsewhere.

    Inadvertently answered your own question there :)
    Hold Shift and press Enter to make a soft carriage return without the extra line space.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 273 ✭✭Danpad


    Thanks, that's a better way than fiddling about with the arrows!

    Memo to self: In the next life take the ECDL before embarking on novel.


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