Credit card licenses coming - at last

Paulw

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/new-credit-card-style-driving-licence-to-replace-tattered-paper-version-2903035.html

Finally. Some good news, and something a bit more modern than our current paper license.

Mr Benevolent

Meh, they've been saying this for years now.

MetzgerMeister

At long last!

Does anyone else think €25 - €30 is a bit steep even though you don't HAVE to get one?

Paulw

To save the hassle, I'd pay it. Better to have something like that which is easy to carry and will last.

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/motors/2011/1012/1224305633672.html

robbie_998

einheisserschre wrote: »

At long last!

Does anyone else think €25 - €30 is a bit steep even though you don't HAVE to get one?

€25 is the price of the current one anyway fir 10 years i believe ?



anyway ... quite honestly i dont care.

they have being saying this since last year and im glad they are doing it and all but i got my 10 year license 2 years ago.... i have 8 years left on it and its condition since i had day one is pristine condition.

im not gonna bother getting the new one until

A) it expires

or

it some how falls apart soo badly it needs replacing

but honestly... i have bank cards in my wallet that are in worse shape than my drivers license !

MrDerp

About time. I often drive herself's car with my own license left in mine, and I'm terrified of going away and forgetting my license when I need a rental car - especially when travelling for work.

I could definitely see myself coughing up for this, even though I'll still have 5 years on my paper license.

biko

It's a bit more than what other countries charge but €30 euro for a 10 year plastic card isn't a big deal imo.
Now if you change from a foreign to an Irish licence the fee is 25.

Hopefully people will start putting the card in the wallet rather than leaving such personal info in the glovebox.

alias no.9

If you happen to be changing address, you get a replacement license for free

MetzgerMeister

Paulw wrote: »

To save the hassle, I'd pay it. Better to have something like that which is easy to carry and will last.

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/motors/2011/1012/1224305633672.html

My laser card which I've had for under a year has cracks (and it's my 2nd replacement for the same reason) on it so I wouldn't be expecting this licence to last long!

robbie_998 wrote: »

€25 is the price of the current one anyway fir 10 years i believe ?



anyway ... quite honestly i dont care.

they have being saying this since last year and im glad they are doing it and all but i got my 10 year license 2 years ago.... i have 8 years left on it and its condition since i had day one is pristine condition.

im not gonna bother getting the new one until

A) it expires

or

it some how falls apart soo badly it needs replacing

but honestly... i have bank cards in my wallet that are in worse shape than my drivers license !

Your point B reminds me of that thread about some guy who was told by the Gardai to get a new licence because his current one was chewed up by his dog haha

Paulw

einheisserschre wrote: »

My laser card which I've had for under a year has cracks (and it's my 2nd replacement for the same reason) on it so I wouldn't be expecting this licence to last long!

I guess it depends on your wallet and how often you take out your cards. Obviously the more you take it out to use, the quicker it will wear.

Also, some wallets bend more than others so cards break quicker.

I expect mine to last at least 5 years without any issues.

seamus

Due to be introduced "next year" in time for an EU initiative scheduled for 01/01/13

So 1st December 2012 I expect to see a formal announcement of this.

alias no.9

alias no.9 wrote: »

If you happen to be changing address, you get a replacement license for free

I doubt they'll facilitate free licences from paper to credit card type though tbh.

Just got a 10 year license this year, will be keeping it until expiry

PCPhoto

RoverJames wrote: »

I doubt they'll facilitate free licences from paper to credit card type though tbh.

Just got a 10 year license this year, will be keeping it until expiry

they will of course charge people for the privilage !! We are in debt as a nation need to scam money out of everyone.

it is amazing though that all of a sudden the country is FUBAR and they seem to want to spend money bringing in all the things that the general population have been calling for for years... we have clampdowns on social welfare, hard plastic card licences..... whats next - proper sentences for criminals ?

mikemac

seamus wrote: »

Due to be introduced "next year" in time for an EU initiative scheduled for 01/01/13

Gotta love Ireland

Wait until the last minute to do anything

And for other EU issues, it sometimes takes the threat of fines to shift us along

Paparazzo

alias no.9 wrote: »

If you happen to be changing address, you get a replacement license for free

Yeah, but they don't renew the date. Happened to me a few months ago, i had a year left and thought it would be handy getting a new licence. Got my nice new licence with a year left on it.

smash

"The minister also plans to tender for a service provider to centralise the issuing of driver’s licences rather than local authorities."

Good man Leo, spend a few hundred million and send jobs out of the country while you're at it.

Gumbo

Great to see.
Something that can be kept in your wallet andwith you no matter what car your driving!

I posted links about this about 2 years ago, as i seen the Tender documentation being issued for a company to examine the cost of replacing and providing credit card/euro style drivers licence's, so i knew it was coming, just didnt know when!

vetstu

No matter what wallet I have I always end up cracking bank cards and credit cards, usually across the black strip. Can't see a license lasting any better in a wallet. At least with the one now, you just feck it in the glovebox and forget about it. Been driving almost eight years and have never been asked for it.
I can't see what the big deal is over the credit card ones.

godtabh

smash wrote: »

"The minister also plans to tender for a service provider to centralise the issuing of driver’s licences rather than local authorities."

Good man Leo, spend a few hundred million and send jobs out of the country while you're at it.

thats what i was thinking

This is what LA are for. Use them rather than waste money on something we dont need as we already have it

D-Generate

Fun fact: France has the exact same license as us, it even gives the license to drive Tractors as a standard over there too.

FACT

iMax

OSI wrote: »

I'm intrigued as to how they will carry a record of penalty points.

Is this going to be on the chip, or printed?

Will the card have to be sent in every time you get points and every time they expire?

Or is it a case of the card will just link the garda to your records? Surely this can be done already.

AGS will have card readers & scan the card most probably. Points will be entered into the licence database & if they read your card they'll be able to see whats on it.

The same way the US Cops have been able to check for outstanding violations/tickets/points for about 20 years !!!

Berty

My license was sent off for a change of address(free) two weeks ago. I havent seen it come back yet. :rolleyes:

I cannot remember the last time other than renting a car or starting a new job that I needed to show my license to anybody. My is normally on the drivers visor thing and normally never ever leaves there.

My driving license is up for renewal next year so I will be getting one then by default I guess.

A Centralised private company should be given authority over producting the licenses because, with the new technology, the investment would be massive to have each of the 31(I believe) authorities doing their own.

seamus

The nerd in me loves thinking about sticking RFID in these cards and the abudant possibilities.

Car security for one. You can code your car to your licence and so the engine will only start when your licence and your key are present. Two-factor security.
Or a more general coding that only allows the car to start in the presence of a full licence. So provisional drivers can't go out on their own.

And then you've got more obvious things like insurance and offences and so forth where the Gardai only need to scan your licence to get the full info on you, rather than a call back to base.

the_syco

einheisserschre wrote: »

My laser card which I've had for under a year has cracks (and it's my 2nd replacement for the same reason) on it so I wouldn't be expecting this licence to last long!

Agreed. Current one is bendable. This new unbendable one will break in no time!

RoverJames wrote: »

Just got a 10 year license this year, will be keeping it until expiry

Likewise. I wonder will the "new" licenses still be used by then?

Berty

the_syco wrote: »

Agreed. Current one is bendable. This new unbendable one will break in no time!

If the Licenses are anything like the FAS Safe Pass or a persons general work ID then they should last quite a while. My father still has his work ID in daily use since 1993 or similar material.

HappyHouseWife

PCPhoto wrote: »

whats next - proper sentences for criminals ?

Don't be silly, that cost's waaaaay too much money.

Damien360

iMax wrote: »

AGS will have card readers & scan the card most probably. Points will be entered into the licence database & if they read your card they'll be able to see whats on it.

The same way the US Cops have been able to check for outstanding violations/tickets/points for about 20 years !!!

Do you really believe the AGS will get anything like that. That costs money, all of which we are giving away outside Ireland at the moment

pudzey101

Wont be paying for this anyway!:)

only got back my 10 year lisence which i payed 25quid for:)


cant see thiis happening anytime soon tbh its being said for yonks!:)

Stheno

My current licence is three years or thereabouts old.

It is in my wallet and is cracked, the plastic holder is in bits from being bent in two.

Compared to the cards in my wallet which are pristine, it's in bits.

Bring on the cards!

CiniO

It looks like plenty of licence document changes for me.

I had mine from 99, until I passed my bus test and had to get a new one in 2008.
Then again in 2008 I exchanged it for Irish licence.
In 2010, I changed the address, so I changed the licence as well, to have actual adress on it.
Now in 2012 I'm planning to pass truck test, so I'll get another licence (probably the old one as it will be most likely in the begining of the year), and then when they introduce new style licences, I'll get one as well.

So between 2008 and 2012 it will be 6 licences for me

FiresaleBuyer

seamus wrote: »

The nerd in me loves thinking about sticking RFID in these cards and the abudant possibilities.

Will the chip be RFID or smartcard (like a sim card)?

European companies own most smart card technologies, whereas american companies own most RFID patents.

RFID is not secure and allows the government to read your card without you knowing. Smartcard is better because it has to be inserted in a reader.

Owen

I'm only surprised we don't have RTDH in here with a well crafted conspiracy theory about what'll be on the chip inside! RTDH, where are you dude??

THall04

I've an American drivers license in my wallet for the past 9 years (it's out of date now....just keep it as a souvenir) and except for the signature having rubbed off on the back....it's as good as new.

My credit cards last about 18 months before they crack

RandomAccess

THall04 wrote: »

My credit cards last about 18 months before they crack

The latest cards have a smaller chip, it seems to make the cards less prone to splitting. Anyone else notice this?

Our man in Havana

Expect the usual "you will have to wait till your current licence expires" crap when people go looking for a card licence.

MetzgerMeister

Our man in Havana wrote: »

Expect the usual "you will have to wait till your current licence expires" crap when people go looking for a card licence.

You don't actually think that they'll turn down €25 - €30 do ya!?

Our man in Havana

They did before when I wanted a new licence.

fabsoul

about time

Senna

A lot handier if you drive two cars regularly.
I'll be "loosing" mine when they come out if they make you wait to renewal time.

L1011

Our man in Havana wrote: »

They did before when I wanted a new licence.

I got "that isn't damaged enough" from KCC, pointed out to them that a: a Guard had signed the form stating it was damaged and b: do their bloody job. Had the new one in the post two days later...

challengemaster

iMax wrote: »

AGS will have card readers & scan the card most probably. Points will be entered into the licence database & if they read your card they'll be able to see whats on it.

The same way the US Cops have been able to check for outstanding violations/tickets/points for about 20 years !!!

AGS from what I remember reading, doesn't even have enough breathalysers to go around, where exactly will they be getting these fancy new equipment that'll have to be made and coded specifically for reading of these licenses? And they're currently lacking funding...

I suppose with that, there's a possibility that it could mean on-the-spot penalty points... if they ever figured out how to do anything

Our man in Havana

There can never be on the spot points as you only get points when you pay a fine.

oceanman

seamus wrote: »

The nerd in me loves thinking about sticking RFID in these cards and the abudant possibilities.

Car security for one. You can code your car to your licence and so the engine will only start when your licence and your key are present. Two-factor security.
Or a more general coding that only allows the car to start in the presence of a full licence. So provisional drivers can't go out on their own.

And then you've got more obvious things like insurance and offences and so forth where the Gardai only need to scan your licence to get the full info on you, rather than a call back to base.

are you not worried about what other information they will encript on these new licences! at least with the old paper one the owner can read whats on their licence . food for thought...