Iron Play

jaggiebunnet

Hi

Just looking for some views n tips on irons. Have been watching some youtube stuff and trying to implement it and it does seem to work for my driving - much more consistent and straight.

Problem is when practising for irons - don't seem to be getting nearly as consistent (varying slice/hook/straight, distance all over the shop). Also the distance I am seeing in the range between clubs seems to be really relatively small - ie 6 I will hit 150, 7, 140-145, 8, 125-135, 9 125-130. This is what really leads me to believe that I could make a change that will improve my iron play all round and increase distance? Also I do think a lot of it is still to do with practise, I have only been playing for around 3/4 months and have seen leaps and bounds of improvement. It is the problem in my game just now - last time I was out I hit very good (for me) drives and should have been on the greens in 2 and ended up taking 3 or 4 due to poor iron play.

I suppose any good links and tips would be appreciated. Also considering a couple of lessons - any good recommendations in the Cork area?

conno16

a lesson or tips over the internet?
not the way to go.

wander down to a local pro as soon as you get a chance.
it'll be the best 500 quid you part with in life
think of the glory and respect you'll command in the clubhouse

what i would say tho is consider investing in new clubs also
the probs you describe sound like you might be using inferior equipment

jaggiebunnet

conno16 wrote: »

a lesson or tips over the internet?
not the way to go.

Not sure what you are poiint is tbh. I was looking for any tips that I could have a look at and see if they work for me. I did say I was looking at a couple of lessons also and was looking for any recommendations.

conno16 wrote: »

think of the glory and respect you'll command in the clubhouse

Could not care less about the clubhouse tbh, not that I am a member of anywhere and I don't really intend to become one in the short term anyway.

conno16 wrote: »

what i would say tho is consider investing in new clubs also
the probs you describe sound like you might be using inferior equipment

Very much doubt my problems lie with the equipment, but thanks anyway.

conno16

just my two cents old boy
no need for the tone

jaggiebunnet

conno16 wrote: »

just my two cents old boy
no need for the tone

no tone intended

L.O.F.T

Too easy for you Conno

Mr. Larson

Rickrolled!

conno16

if theres one thing that we must be consistent about here on the golf forum, is that golf tips / suggested changes to ones swing etc should be left to the pros
these guys have to earn a living and simply cant compete with the internet
poor auld arnold up in elm green has seen a big decrease this year - you'd prob get an hr of his time for around 30 quid now
granted the top pros will always thrive but the not-so-top pros also need to earn a living

blokes coming on here looking for quick fixes need to be directed swiftly to the driving range - not to a youtube video

Corkblowin

conno16 wrote: »

if theres one thing that we must be consistent about here on the golf forum, is that golf tips / suggested changes to ones swing etc should be left to the pros
these guys have to earn a living and simply cant compete with the internet
poor auld arnold up in elm green has seen a big decrease this year - you'd prob get an hr of his time for around 30 quid now
granted the top pros will always thrive but the not-so-top pros also need to earn a living

blokes coming on here looking for quick fixes need to be directed swiftly to the driving range - not to a youtube video

Thats a considered thought out post with a serious message........what have you done with the real conno you monster!!!!!!

jaggiebunnet

I see the fabled knobs I have seen mentioned previously are indeed still alive.

:rolleyes:

but seriously, really - do people still waste their time thinking this is funny? wow, what sad lives there still are out there. obviously playing too many strokes with a club substitution.

so conno and all his little groupies, keep stroking each other fellas.....

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If anyone, who is anyway remotely intelligent, has any advice, tips, links, recommendations, I would still welcome them.

Corkblowin

Look, I've said this on countless other similar posts - its impossible to diagnose a swing from someones description of it. You say yourself you aren't hitting the same poor shot each time - so that points to an inconsistent swing (which is not surprising as you're only playing a short while). At this stage of your development you're past the absolute beginner stage and are ready for a pro to look at you and give you a few pointers to get to the next stage.

Having said that your distances are all quite short - if you're not 15 then you should be getting your 8 iron up & around the 150 yard mark. That, together with the mix of hooks/slices and straights suggests to me your wrists are too involved in the swing - leading to open/shut/delofted/over-lofted clubface angles and inconsistent strikes.

However your swingpath also has an impact - too out to in will often give high, short shots with no penetration. If you release the clubhead with an out to in swingpath you get a pull/hook - hang on and its a slice.

But there are a multitude of other considerations - ball position, swing speed, grip. Seriously - if you're keen on getting this right - take a lesson or 2. Its worth it.

bustercherry

Corkblowin wrote: »

Look, I've said this on countless other similar posts - its impossible to diagnose a swing from someones description of it. You say yourself you aren't hitting the same poor shot each time - so that points to an inconsistent swing (which is not surprising as you're only playing a short while). At this stage of your development you're past the absolute beginner stage and are ready for a pro to look at you and give you a few pointers to get to the next stage.

Having said that your distances are all quite short - if you're not 15 then you should be getting your 8 iron up & around the 150 yard mark. That, together with the mix of hooks/slices and straights suggests to me your wrists are too involved in the swing - leading to open/shut/delofted/over-lofted clubface angles and inconsistent strikes. However your swingpath also has an impact - too out to in will often give high, short shots with no penetration.

But there are a multitude of other considerations - ball position, swing speed, grip. Seriously - if you're keen on getting this right - take a lesson or 2. Its worth it.

Again complete misinformation. His distances I would say are average enough but then again I forgot this board is full of the longest hitters in Ireland :rolleyes:

Forget about the distance, if you need to hit it longer then take a longer club.
Work on hitting it consistently rather than focusing on distance as it is clear from your post it's not the distance that is stopping you from hit the greens.

Corkblowin

Without getting hung up on distance I'm absolutely average for the level I play at - but the point I was trying to make was that a 20-25 yard spread from 6-9 iron is pointing to an issue with the swing that no-one can diagnose on here.

Tones69

Corkblowin wrote: »

Without getting hung up on distance I'm absolutely average for the level I play at - but the point I was trying to make was that a 20-25 yard spread from 6-9 iron is pointing to an issue with the swing that no-one can diagnose on here.

True to be fair, but then again the op was maybe just guessing the distance between his 6 and 9, most people only see 10-15 yds between each club

stockdam

jaggiebunnet wrote: »

6 I will hit 150, 7, 140-145, 8, 125-135, 9 125-130.

It's hard to tell what's going on from your yardages but if I try to average them.

9 iron - 120 yards
8 iron - 130 yards
7 iron - 140 yards
6 iron - 150 yards


The above yardages are pretty good for a beginner and you'll add some yardage with time. It also depends on the lofts of your clubs so don't get too hung up about people who hit an 8 iron 150 yards (I can do that in the summer but I am more comfortable with 140).

Are all your irons the same make - it looks like you hit your 9 iron a bit further than I'd expect from the other clubs.

It will take a lot of practice before you start to hit your irons well and even more before you master the long irons and fairway woods. You've only been playing 3 to 4 months so don't expect that you will be consistent for a while. You need to learn how to groove your swing and the best way to do that is to take lessons now otherwise the learning process will be much longer.

jaggiebunnet

Corkblowin wrote: »

Look, I've said this on countless other similar posts - its impossible to diagnose a swing from someones description of it. You say yourself you aren't hitting the same poor shot each time - so that points to an inconsistent swing (which is not surprising as you're only playing a short while). At this stage of your development you're past the absolute beginner stage and are ready for a pro to look at you and give you a few pointers to get to the next stage.

Sorry - my mistake I wasn't intending the original post to look for diagnosis I guess I was looking for a feel of differences normally hit between different clubs and any links to swing lessons and pointers. I am thinking of getting lessons as I said and was looking for recommendations there too. Thanks for the info though.

bustercherry wrote:

Forget about the distance, if you need to hit it longer then take a longer club.
Work on hitting it consistently rather than focusing on distance as it is clear from your post it's not the distance that is stopping you from hit the greens.

totally agree, it is not the distance I am hitting that I am worried about, more the consistency and the question of what, I dunno, ratio should be between each club.

stockdam wrote:

Are all your irons the same make - it looks like you hit your 9 iron a bit further than I'd expect from the other clubs.

It will take a lot of practice before you start to hit your irons well and even more before you master the long irons and fairway woods. You've only been playing 3 to 4 months so don't expect that you will be consistent for a while. You need to learn how to groove your swing and the best way to do that is to take lessons now otherwise the learning process will be much longer.

yeah my 7 and 8 are different from my 6 and 9. I don't really hit any iron longer than the 6, can't get any distance to really merit it, can hit the 5 wood on the fairway around 165 or so but again, consistency is the key.

Thanks lads - again if has got lessons from someone in Cork I would interested in hearing their thoughts.

stockdam

jaggiebunnet wrote: »

Sorry - my mistake I wasn't intending the original post to look for diagnosis I guess I was looking for a feel of differences normally hit between different clubs.

Distance between irons is normally about 10 yards. However your 7 and 8 irons are different to your 6 and 9; lofts vary between sets of irons - if you want a nice progression then your lofts (and shaft lengths) should be "matched".

I do think it's a bit early to start to worry - it is normal to be all over the place at the start but slowly it will come.

mikeunt

you should try to play as much golf with superior golfers as much as possible
you will pick up valuable tips on how they strike the ball
and also you will pick up on the proper attire to be worn and etiquette around the course and clubhouse
its a no brainer