Education and Training

Aileen123

Does anyone know anything about this course? Basicaly is it worthwhile doing, is it difficult, what can you actually do afterwards?

py2006

You won't get work on the basis of it. You actually don't qualify to teach anything. If you are already in the teaching/instructing game already then it will qualify you to do what you are already doing.

If the job situation changes in the future, a teaching degree will be the very least you would need to secure a full time position.

andyman

Pointless course. Avoid it at all costs.

Moody_mona

What can someone just out of school do after completing this course? I did Science Education and we would have done a lot of lectures with the ETs but I never understood what they went on to do. I think they did a work experience while we were on teaching practice - what does the work experience entail?

biggerfamily

I have to disagree with Andyman. This degree is not pointless. Its a popular degree that is unique in Ireland. Its the only degree that embraces Education & Training in the country. Many of the graduates on onto teach in Primary and Secondary education. For primary a 18 month conversion course is required and for secondary CSPE is recognised as the subject to be used an a HDip (1 yr FT or 2 yrs PT). The Training aspect of the course should not be understated either. I have known a couple of graduates that have go on to HR or Training Masters and now work in the Training sector. I believe there is a part time version of the course in DCU too, which mainly has unqualified teachers trainers studying on the degree to gain recognition in the workplace or move careers mainly but not exclusively in the further education sector. In relation to Aileens question. I don't think its especially hard? And in terms of future careers, teaching seems to be the main outcomes, but the breadth of the programme makes it ore like a general Humanities degree opening up a range of vocational and non vocational options.

Moody_mona

biggerfamily wrote: »

I have to disagree with Andyman. This degree is not pointless. Its a popular degree that is unique in Ireland. Its the only degree that embraces Education & Training in the country. Many of the graduates on onto teach in Primary and Secondary education. For primary a 18 month conversion course is required and for secondary CSPE is recognised as the subject to be used an a HDip (1 yr FT or 2 yrs PT).

Please correct me if I'm mistaken, but you can do the primary post grad after any degree can you not? I dont think there's any advantage to doing this course initially. Also, I would strongly advise against doing it if your aim is to become a CSPE teacher because I dont think it would be worth it in terms of job prospects.

I dont think this is a good course for school leavers. I know its popular among mature students, and the training aspect is relevant to business etc, I just dont think it offers school leavers opportunities or prospects when competed on its own.

byrneg28

Sorry to dig up this thread, I was browsing for something on Google and this popped up, slightly annoying me, so I just had to reply.

I recently completed the course.

Ironically, all the comments you make about this course are subsequently argued within the degree for instance - only looking at a degree on the basis of it's professionalism and employability. Another comment that was made was the course being basically 'crap'. Every course runs a rigorous needs analysis in relation to societal change and economy, if the course was 'crap', it wouldn't exist, it's probably crap for your ambitions. I think the problem with the course is the title. I think the course should be renamed to Education and Training Management or something along those lines (the masters degree is entitled Education and Training Management). Yes you are right it doesn't qualify you to teach, but it does cover almost 25 modules of pure educational theory, educational psychology and educational policy as well as ICT. Making someone a specialist in the discipline of Education and Training.

With regards to employability, yes it's not the greatest degree to be flaunting around in Secondary Schools but that's not it's purpose. Funnily enough, everyone who looks at the degree (regards to school leavers) wants to be a teacher and a lot of people who do the course want to be a teacher with the intention of taking it as a stepping stone to doing a postgraduate degree (if a student was bad at Irish, or wanted to apply to England to teach primary, or simply didn't get the points for primary school teaching).

I kind of landed in this degree from a panic attack not getting the required points for the course I wanted to do (Multimedia) and ended up in Science (10th on my CAO). Yet, the guidance I was given to get back on to the track of what I originally wanted to do was unbelievable.

For me, the course is excellently run with some great academics (Dr. Brendan Walsh) and really encourages you to critically think.

The jobs I know people have got as a result of the degree are Programme Managers, Training in VECs (must have previous background in specialist subject area e.g. Engineering, Customer Service, Business etc.), Training Specialists (Human Resources), Youthreach Workers, Youth Officers etc.

I worked hard in retail gaining experience in the training departments within my job during my time in DCU, and this was one of the most important factors for me. As I recently was employed by a higher education college in Dublin working with distance learning and e-Learning programs (finally working with Multimedia as I had first hoped)

So the advice I give you all is, apply yourself, gain experience and work hard. Don't expect a degree just to get you instant employability.

Maggie007

byrneg28 wrote: »

Sorry to dig up this thread, I was browsing for something on Google and this popped up, slightly annoying me, so I just had to reply.

I recently completed the course.

Ironically, all the comments you make about this course are subsequently argued within the degree for instance - only looking at a degree on the basis of it's professionalism and employability. Another comment that was made was the course being basically 'crap'. Every course runs a rigorous needs analysis in relation to societal change and economy, if the course was 'crap', it wouldn't exist, it's probably crap for your ambitions. I think the problem with the course is the title. I think the course should be renamed to Education and Training Management or something along those lines (the masters degree is entitled Education and Training Management). Yes you are right it doesn't qualify you to teach, but it does cover almost 25 modules of pure educational theory, educational psychology and educational policy as well as ICT. Making someone a specialist in the discipline of Education and Training.

With regards to employability, yes it's not the greatest degree to be flaunting around in Secondary Schools but that's not it's purpose. Funnily enough, everyone who looks at the degree (regards to school leavers) wants to be a teacher and a lot of people who do the course want to be a teacher with the intention of taking it as a stepping stone to doing a postgraduate degree (if a student was bad at Irish, or wanted to apply to England to teach primary, or simply didn't get the points for primary school teaching).

I kind of landed in this degree from a panic attack not getting the required points for the course I wanted to do (Multimedia) and ended up in Science (10th on my CAO). Yet, the guidance I was given to get back on to the track of what I originally wanted to do was unbelievable.

For me, the course is excellently run with some great academics (Dr. Brendan Walsh) and really encourages you to critically think.

The jobs I know people have got as a result of the degree are Programme Managers, Training in VECs (must have previous background in specialist subject area e.g. Engineering, Customer Service, Business etc.), Training Specialists (Human Resources), Youthreach Workers, Youth Officers etc.

I worked hard in retail gaining experience in the training departments within my job during my time in DCU, and this was one of the most important factors for me. As I recently was employed by a higher education college in Dublin working with distance learning and e-Learning programs (finally working with Multimedia as I had first hoped)

So the advice I give you all is, apply yourself, gain experience and work hard. Don't expect a degree just to get you instant employability.

I was hoping I could get some advice from you. I completed this course a number of years ago and went into working in a different area, I now would like to try and start a career working with adults. I would like to go to youth reach or similar. I'm not sure where to begin.