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No trade papers! How do I get to Oz?

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  • 08-10-2011 6:43pm
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    my475visaquest
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    I have been self employed for 12 years as a painter. I am excellent at my trade, but I dont have any papers. I understand that I need to prove myself to get a visa.
    I think the 475 skilled migrant visa is the one for my needs, as its very tough to get sponsored by a company from here for the 457 sponsorship visa.
    I think that I should be able to accumulate the points necessary with state sponsorship, though I am not sure of the exact procedure for my case.
    If anybody is going through, or has gone through this process, I would love to hear how they are getting on, or I am open to correctiion if anything here is incorrect....

    I think the process I need to go through is as follows
    1. Apply for trade assessment.
    Is this necessary for an uncertified painter to get a 475 visa, as I can prove that I have been in the business for years?
    What type of assessment is it?
    Who does the correct assessments?
    How much do they cost?
    2. Apply for State sponsorship.
    How long does this take?
    3. Send application for visa and await approval.
    How long should visa approval take?

    I want to make the application myself, as I just dont have the cash to take on a visa specialist company, but as I go through the process, I will let you know how things are going. I will be delighted to benefit from your experiences, and share mine with you all!
    Mark.
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    Zambia
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,333 ✭✭✭Zambia


    http://www.immi.gov.au/skilled/general-skilled-migration/475/

    Are you sure Painter is on the regional Skill list?


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    Dreaming???
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4 ✭Dreaming???


    my475visaquest wrote: »
    If anybody is going through, or has gone through this process, I would love to hear how they are getting on, or I am open to correctiion if anything here is incorrect....

    I think the process I need to go through is as follows
    1. Apply for trade assessment.
    Is this necessary for an uncertified painter to get a 475 visa, as I can prove that I have been in the business for years?
    What type of assessment is it?
    Who does the correct assessments?
    How much do they cost?
    2. Apply for State sponsorship.
    How long does this take?
    3. Send application for visa and await approval.
    How long should visa approval take?

    I want to make the application myself, as I just dont have the cash to take on a visa specialist company, but as I go through the process, I will let you know how things are going. I will be delighted to benefit from your experiences, and share mine with you all!
    Mark.


    Hi Mark,
    This is similar position we find ourselves...40yr old electrician for 23 yrs, 8 yrs selfemployed , wife not on skilled list, 3 kids under 9...having gone through the various visa, the Business longstay (subclass 457) visa is the route i think we might be taking..

    here is the link for the details on the skill assessment...a huge amt of paperwork and very old files being asked for..did
    http://www.deewr.gov.au/Skills/Programs/SkillsAssess/TRA/residenceVisa/Skilled/Documents/MigrationSkillsGuidelines.pdf


    we don't have much spare, make that any spare cash but i am will to spend the €95 to get the first consultation with a visa specialist to see about the correct route and what we have to do.....
    on the visa we are looking at we need a job to go to and it doesn't have to be my trade job, and its temporary...which suits as we're not sure about permanently leaving...my problem is where do you get info on available jobs

    I will be watching to see what guidance others who have been down the route or are on the route can give.

    Best of luck with your journey!
    D


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    mandrake04
    Registered Users Posts: 4,435 ✭✭✭mandrake04


    Hi Dreaming your best bet would be to look for a job on www.seek.com.au and ask them if they would be willing to sponsor.

    I have been down the 457 route myself and the thing you have to remember is that although it is temporary if you lose or quit your job you have 28 days to find a new sponsor or you will have to leave Australia.

    Also in some states you have to pay Kids school fee's etc.


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    my475visaquest
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34 ✭my475visaquest


    Zambia wrote: »
    http://www.immi.gov.au/skilled/general-skilled-migration/475/

    Are you sure Painter is on the regional Skill list?

    I have seen it on the SOL list. ref 332211 (painting trades worker). Found it here http://www.immi.gov.au/skilled/_pdf/sol-schedule1-2.pdf
    Ya gave me a surprise there :eek::)


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    my475visaquest
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34 ✭my475visaquest


    Dreaming??? wrote: »
    Hi Mark,
    This is similar position we find ourselves...40yr old electrician for 23 yrs, 8 yrs selfemployed , wife not on skilled list, 3 kids under 9...having gone through the various visa, the Business longstay (subclass 457) visa is the route i think we might be taking..

    here is the link for the details on the skill assessment...a huge amt of paperwork and very old files being asked for..did
    http://www.deewr.gov.au/Skills/Programs/SkillsAssess/TRA/residenceVisa/Skilled/Documents/MigrationSkillsGuidelines.pdf


    we don't have much spare, make that any spare cash but i am will to spend the €95 to get the first consultation with a visa specialist to see about the correct route and what we have to do.....
    on the visa we are looking at we need a job to go to and it doesn't have to be my trade job, and its temporary...which suits as we're not sure about permanently leaving...my problem is where do you get info on available jobs

    I will be watching to see what guidance others who have been down the route or are on the route can give.

    Best of luck with your journey!
    D
    nice one, that could be a wise move to visit a visa specialist. Will the visa specialist help you if you dont intend using them in the future? It certainly would be handy if they can help!


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    Zambia
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,333 ✭✭✭Zambia


    my475visaquest wrote: »
    I have seen it on the SOL list. ref 332211 (painting trades worker). Found it here http://www.immi.gov.au/skilled/_pdf/sol-schedule1-2.pdf
    Ya gave me a surprise there :eek::)
    Sorry my bad I looked up Painter.

    What States are Sponsoring Painting Trades Workers?


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    my475visaquest
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34 ✭my475visaquest


    Zambia wrote: »
    Sorry my bad I looked up Painter.

    What States are Sponsoring Painting Trades Workers?

    The two I am looking at are NT and WA. Both are sponsoring.......


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    my475visaquest
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34 ✭my475visaquest


    Here is the info re: trade assessments for 475 visa.......... now to get in touch with Canberra!http://www.deewr.gov.au/Skills/Programs/SkillsAssess/TRA/OffshoreAssessment/Documents/OSAPGuidelines.pdf


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    Dreaming???
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    my475visaquest wrote: »
    The two I am looking at are NT and WA. Both are sponsoring.......


    Here is the info re: trade assessments for 475 visa.......... now to get in touch with Canberra!http://www.deewr.gov.au/Skills/Programs/SkillsAssess/TRA/OffshoreAssessment/Documents/OSAPGuidelines.pdf

    How do you find out what states are sponsoring what trades????

    Thanks for the trade assessments... plenty of reading to do!!


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    my475visaquest
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34 ✭my475visaquest


    Dreaming??? wrote: »
    How do you find out what states are sponsoring what trades????

    Thanks for the trade assessments... plenty of reading to do!!

    I just googled the term 'Western Australian skilled migration occupation list' the same for northern territory, and I found the lists of trades that are sponsored!


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    my475visaquest
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34 ✭my475visaquest


    here is some information about IELTS test in dublin if you need it to gain more points. http://alcexams.ucd.ie/ielts/


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    my475visaquest
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34 ✭my475visaquest


    heres some good info re skills assessment!
    http://www.pomsinadelaide.com/forum/adelaide-migration-issues/27197-help-information-migrating-uk-painters-decorators-tradesmen.html

    also you can get the assessment done from www.australianskillsassessments.com
    Its about $2950 au., but I suppose its an investment........


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    my475visaquest
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34 ✭my475visaquest


    Initial application for trade assessment approved! I have now sent second stage through and I am now awaiting an interview........


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    jank
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 13,018 ✭✭✭✭jank


    Good man on following through with it, Most people come on here asking about an "easy way" into OZ. when the reality is that they have to apply for a visa and fork out some money first, then wait some more before they even think about leaving arrives. Most dont post again!

    So good luck in your visa application, hope you get it.


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    sponge_bob
    Registered Users Posts: 665 ✭✭✭sponge_bob


    my475visaquest wrote: »
    Initial application for trade assessment approved! I have now sent second stage through and I am now awaiting an interview........


    do you have to go and do physical exam, or is that it after the interview?


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    my475visaquest
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34 ✭my475visaquest


    jank wrote: »
    Good man on following through with it, Most people come on here asking about an "easy way" into OZ. when the reality is that they have to apply for a visa and fork out some money first, then wait some more before they even think about leaving arrives. Most dont post again!

    So good luck in your visa application, hope you get it.
    Thanks mate!
    sponge_bob wrote: »
    do you have to go and do physical exam, or is that it after the interview?
    Its after the interview, but its only at the disgression of the interviewer.


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    Mellor
    Registered Users Posts: 39,083 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    Dreaming??? wrote: »
    on the visa we are looking at we need a job to go to and it doesn't have to be my trade job, and its temporary...which suits as we're not sure about permanently leaving...my problem is where do you get info on available jobs
    I think you need to check again.
    457 isn't just having any old job to go to.

    You need a willing sponsor, they need to nominate YOU for a paticular position, that needs to be approved and then you can apply/be assessed for the visa.

    Very little chance of you getting sponsored in a job outside your trade


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    mandrake04
    Registered Users Posts: 4,435 ✭✭✭mandrake04


    Didn't really know where to post this but this thread is as good as any I suppose.

    Found this information posted by a migration agent on another Forum, which might be of interest to some.
    What are the likely changes to the skilled occupation list?

    Skills Australia does publish a list of "flagged" occupations which does indicate some insecurity for people in some occupations, see

    http://www.skillsaustralia.gov.au/PDFs_RTFs/FlaggedOccupations.pdf


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    my475visaquest
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34 ✭my475visaquest


    Hi mate, I cant seem to get the link to work.... can you help?


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    Zambia
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,333 ✭✭✭Zambia


    Recommend change from 2010?
    2211 Accountants
    2241 Actuaries, Mathematicians and Statisticians
    2245 Land Economists and Valuers  Flag
    2322 Cartographers and Surveyors  Flag
    2332 Civil Engineering Professionals  Flag
    2334 Electronics Engineers  Flag
    2335 Industrial, Mechanical and Production Engineers  Flag
    2339 Other Engineering Professionals  Flag
    234211 Chemist  Flag
    2527 Speech Professionals and Audiologists  Flag
    2611 ICT Business and Systems Analysts  Flag
    2613 Software and Applications Programmers  Flag
    3211 Automotive Electricians  Flag
    3212 Motor Mechanics  Flag
    3222 Sheet Metal Trades Workers  Flag
    3231 Aircraft Maintenance Engineers  Flag
    3311 Bricklayers and Stonemasons  Flag
    3312 Carpenters and Joiners  Flag
    3322 Painting Trades Workers  Flag
    3332 Plasterers  Flag
    3334 Wall and Floor Tilers  Flag
    3991 Boat Builders and Shipwrights No


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    my475visaquest
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34 ✭my475visaquest


    So it time for everyone thats on the list to get a move on!


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    nager
    Registered Users Posts: 129 ✭✭nager


    This was at the top of the page:

    Flagged occupations
    Skills Australia has also flagged a number of occupations which were borderline in terms of their inclusion on the 2011 SOL. These occupations may be removed in future years subject to monitoring of the labour market, education and migration data and evidence from stakeholders in relation to future oversupply issues, migration outcomes and areas of specific need.
    The occupations are:


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    my475visaquest
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34 ✭my475visaquest


    I think that since then there has been the earthquake in christchurch, floods is brisbane and the cyclone in QL. That should hopefully keep the demand strong for tradespeople!


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    mandrake04
    Registered Users Posts: 4,435 ✭✭✭mandrake04


    my475visaquest wrote: »
    I think that since then there has been the earthquake in christchurch, floods is brisbane and the cyclone in QL. That should hopefully keep the demand strong for tradespeople!

    Christchurch is in New Zealand and has nothing to do with Australian immigration.


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    my475visaquest
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34 ✭my475visaquest


    mandrake04 wrote: »
    Christchurch is in New Zealand and has nothing to do with Australian immigration.
    Your 100 % right Mandrake, but I think it puts a demand on the tradespeople heading down under!


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    mandrake04
    Registered Users Posts: 4,435 ✭✭✭mandrake04


    my475visaquest wrote: »
    Your 100 % right Mandrake, but I think it puts a demand on the tradespeople heading down under!

    Yeah but down under to New Zealand.


    Although its worth mentioning that the above changes in the SOL are not written is stone it was George Lombard who posted it and he would not have did so unless he was hearing stuff on the grapevine. Its not to say that all occupations will be removed but more of an indication of those that have been flagged as borderline for removal. But like similar information in Oct/Nov/Dec 2008 it is writing on the wall and we all know what happened then.

    QLD flood & cyclone is old news and was near a year ago and is only really a short term problem that has already been nutted out with offer of fast priority 457 & specified work for 2nd WHV, short term fixes for short term problem.

    The General skills migration changes to the SOL above is looking at the big picture in the long term, they might remove some trades for 3-5 years and put them back on again when there is an increased demand.


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    my475visaquest
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34 ✭my475visaquest


    Valid point there Mandrake.....


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    my475visaquest
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34 ✭my475visaquest


    my475visaquest wrote: »
    heres some good info re skills assessment!
    http://www.pomsinadelaide.com/forum/adelaide-migration-issues/27197-help-information-migrating-uk-painters-decorators-tradesmen.html

    also you can get the assessment done from www.australianskillsassessments.com
    Its about $2950 au., but I suppose its an investment........

    Well I applied for the skills assessment, as I had no papers, and after about 5/6 weeks I now have qualified for my AQF 3 papers! I should receive them shortly..:D
    I now want to organise my TRA assessment, but I am not 100% sure whether I need to do 'TRA points test advice' prior to the actual assessment.
    It appears that it is compulsory to do 'points test advice' if you want to claim points for work experience............ ANYBODY???????


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