Monarchy: worth the potential economic benefits?

The King of Moo

One argument I here from English people I know in favour of the British royal family is that they generate lots of money for the economy due to tourism, and give lots to charity.

So hypothetical: if we installed a monarchy tomorrow (with heirs being installed by primogeniture) which was guaranteed to give us a substantial and permanent economic boost, should we do it?

Personally, I'd say no. I think it'd be too much of a loss of dignity to make the money worthwhile.

I just can't stand the idea that I would be a subject of another person who is officially deemed to be better than me for arbitrary reasons. I'd always prefer to be a citizen.

And I could never stand knowing that I could never become the head of state just because I didn't happen to have been born into the "right" family.

Ash.J.Williams

It would work if they lived where the former kings of ireland lived, and that would mean renovating historical sites, providing them with sewerage, running water and electricity, and an actual building to live in...so i would say no...

mikemac

The King of Moo wrote: »

I just can't stand the idea that I would be a subject of another person who is officially deemed to be better than me for arbitrary reasons. I'd always prefer to be a citizen.

The UK changed that nearly two decades ago. They are citizens, not subjects

Oh and Brian Boru ruled from Cashel, UP MUNSTER
Tipperary will be new capital of Ireland:cool:

who the fug

You can't create a new Royal brand overnight and expect it to draw tourists; you need some history of adultery, madness, beheadings & queens

So the idea is a non-starter

Seachmall

I think the whole monarchy thing is a bit ridiculous. Why should the tax-payer pay for a bunch of people who did nothing more than be born into the right family?

I don't know what sort of income is received from tourism but the cost of keeping them in the the lifestyle they didn't earn is pretty damn expensive, and I just don't like the idea of making some imbecile head of state just because they were born.

We live in a society where people more-or-less earn what they have and it's generally a good system, the monarchy is a reflection of worse times where blood meant more than perseverance and dedication.

orourkeda

Whats wrong with Pariamentary Democracy?

mikemac

Didn't Patrick Pearse want to invite over a Prussian Prince as head of state.
Joachim, son of Kaiser William

Pearse held up as a Republican but was he realy? A debate for History forum I reckon
But then Arthur Griffith's Sinn Féin was a monarchist party too at one stage, at least dual monarchy

Jimoslimos

Why do American tourists go to Britain? - Royal Family
Why do American tourists go to Ireland? - Leprechauns

We have our own tourism draw that works well enough thank you.

who the fug

orourkeda wrote: »

Whats wrong with Pariamentary Democracy?

We could have ended up with Tony Blair as President

Kasabian

Jimoslimos wrote: »

Why do American tourists go to Britain? - Royal Family
Why do American tourists go to Ireland? - Leprechauns

We have our own tourism draw that works well enough thank you.

A royal family of Leprechauns, $$$$$$$$$

I have a mate , he is 4ft 2, he said he would be King. He also owns a hat and pipel.

The King of Moo

mikemac wrote: »

The UK changed that nearly two decades ago. They are citizens, not subjects

Oh and Brian Boru ruled from Cashel, UP MUNSTER
Tipperary will be new capital of Ireland:cool:

I've just looked up the citizenship/subject law from 1983. I knew the Queen had lost the power to execute anyone she fancied a long time ago, and that people in Britain have effectively had citizens' rights anyway, though I hadn't known about the citizenship/subject issue they brought up in 83.

I'd still hate to have the head of state chosen due to their family, even if they're just a figurehead.

who the fug wrote: »

You can't create a new Royal brand overnight and expect it to draw tourists; you need some history of adultery, madness, beheadings & queens

So the idea is a non-starter

Of course, hence it's quite hypothetical.

Though I'm sure we've got plenty of dynasties with such a history who could settle into the role pretty quickly.

My name is URL

lol.. if the main benefit is that it brings in tourists then it's probably not a great idea.

And besides, we already have King Sheamus

mikemac

The King of Moo wrote: »

And I could never stand knowing that I could never become the head of state just because I didn't happen to have been born into the "right" family.

Is your name Cosgrave, Lemass, Haughey or Spring? You'll do alright

And if you are in the Lenihan family you come from a long line of achievers

Duckworth_Luas

mikemac wrote: »

Didn't Patrick Pearse want to invite over a Prussian Prince as head of state.
Joachim, son of Kaiser William

Pearse held up as a Republican but was he realy? A debate for History forum I reckon
But then Arthur Griffith's Sinn Féin was a monarchist party too at one stage, at least dual monarchy

An early incarnation of Arthur Griffith's Sinn Fein party did toy with the idea of an independent Ireland having it's own monarchy. This, as well as other ideas like a dual monarchy with the UK, were later discarded in favour of a full republic. A republic that was declared in 1916 buy P Pearse.

Pearse was a member of the IRB, Irish Republican Brotherhood. He didn't want to invite over any prince as head of state. That's just nonsense.

mikemac

Happy to be corrected Duckworth Luas

The story of Pearse and the Prussian Prince was doing the rounds a couple of years ago

May have been Eoghan Harris who discussed it too

Lord Trollington

Can't wait for KeithAFC to come riding in on his horse and derail this thread big style.

R P McMurphy

There are already two kings in the country: the king of Tory Island and the king of the travellers. We should just co-opt one of these to become king of the country, then maybe the world

mikemac

Also that goat the Kerry folk appoint as King at the Puc Fair

Fratton Fred

The current Irish presidential race is probably the best advert for monarchy I've ever seen.

From what I can see, monarchy means you have an irrelevant head of state who is there by right of birth, but knows full well that if they step out of line they will lose that right.

Having a president means you get to choose between a terrorist, a paedophile apologist, an ex and somewhat delusional eurovision song contest winner, a serial Quango hopper and a man who, judging by his election posters, is a children's entertainer/magician.

Nah, at least with monarchy you get the day off when they marry or die.

Fratton Fred

R P McMurphy wrote: »

There are already two kings in the country: the king of Tory Island and the king of the travellers. We should just co-opt one of these to become king of the country, then maybe the world

Dalkey has a King as well.

R P McMurphy

mikemac wrote: »

Also that goat the Kerry folk appoint as King at the Puc Fair

That is probably the best option so far, I will side with the goat in the vaccum caused by the power struggle between the other two

The King of Moo

Fratton Fred wrote: »

Dalkey has a King as well.

Bono? :pac:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4MhLS2q24RQ

getz

i dont know about ecconomic benefits for ireland,but it certainly has a large charitable benefit for ireland,for inst, RNLI,leonard cheshire homes,RBL,ect,the queen is patron of them

Saila

who the fug wrote: »

You can't create a new Royal brand overnight and expect it to draw tourists; you need some history of adultery, madness, beheadings & queens

So the idea is a non-starter

not to mention inbreeding.

getz

Saila wrote: »

not to mention inbreeding.

what ever you do,dont goggle inbreeding in ireland

Lady Chuckles

The King of Moo wrote: »

One argument I here from English people I know in favour of the British royal family is that they generate lots of money for the economy due to tourism, and give lots to charity.

So hypothetical: if we installed a monarchy tomorrow (with heirs being installed by primogeniture) which was guaranteed to give us a substantial and permanent economic boost, should we do it?

Pick me! Pick me! Pick me!!! :pac:
Lady Chuckles for the Royal family of Ireland!! Oh, please pick me!

The King of Moo wrote: »

Personally, I'd say no. I think it'd be too much of a loss of dignity to make the money worthwhile.

Awwwwww...

paddyandy

Dig up brian boru get the dna ...find fit and able descendants... ..would create great intrest and act as a heat shield for fine gaels herculean efforts... bring in loadza bewildered plastic paddies all eager for their own lineage better than 100 all ireland finals going at once.We'd stagger with the weight of tourism with money washing around like surging waters towards noah's ark.What a spectacle with our economic woes over for a while anyway.There would be so much drinking and drugging we would'nt know who we are or where we are but wait now...... that IS where we are NOW???????????? FORGET IT.

Peep O'Day

Fratton Fred wrote: »

The current Irish presidential race is probably the best advert for monarchy I've ever seen.

From what I can see, monarchy means you have an irrelevant head of state who is there by right of birth, but knows full well that if they step out of line they will lose that right.

Having a president means you get to choose between a terrorist, a paedophile apologist, an ex and somewhat delusional eurovision song contest winner, a serial Quango hopper and a man who, judging by his election posters, is a children's entertainer/magician.

Nah, at least with monarchy you get the day off when they marry or die.

:eek: Who is this person who currently uses violence in pursuit of political aims??

also i think someone here needs to learn the difference between paedophilia and pederasty :rolleyes:

Unique User Name

because it's worked in developing economic powerhouses such as Papua New Guinea?

fontanalis

Ireland already has a king; Patsy Dan Rodgers of Tory Island. Up the fomor!

The King of Moo

Lady Chuckles wrote: »

Pick me! Pick me! Pick me!!! :pac:
Lady Chuckles for the Royal family of Ireland!! Oh, please pick me!



Awwwwww...

I could live with having an Empress if that'd do. :pac:

Lady Chuckles

The King of Moo wrote: »

I could live with having an Empress if that'd do. :pac:

If you'd pick me, I'm fine with it

The King of Moo

Lady Chuckles wrote: »

If you'd pick me, I'm fine with it

It's all yours, Your Majesty.

mikemac

Will traitors and usurpers be sent to the Joy?

Beheadings in College Green?

ejmaztec

Seachmall wrote: »

I think the whole monarchy thing is a bit ridiculous. Why should the tax-payer pay for a bunch of people who did nothing more than be born into the right family?

I think there's been quite a bit of that going on here since the founding of the State anyway.:eek: