Getting dog neutered: advise but please no nagging about unwanted pups

JustAThought

Hi. My dog is almost 3 and to date I have managed her heats. Mostly for work reasons I am now considering having her neutered; something to be honest I personally really don't want to do for various reasons; including an adverse reaction to anaesthetic which once nearly killed her. I'm asking please; people who have had their female dogs neutered, has anyone had the new ovaries only keyhole surgery, if so where did you have it done. And I'd be grateful for info on if your dog had side effects, mood changes, or any issues you had following the op. Please no ranting about unwanted litters/rescues etc. Many thanks.

Cherry Blossom

There is a thread here about keyhole surgery, if you are in or near Dublin, one of the vets that carry out the procedure will be available at pet expo to talk to people about it. I would gather as much info as you can, do you know what aesthetic was used on your dog before? Some breeds can't tolerate certain types of anaesthetic (Boxers spring to mind) so if you know this sort of information yourself, you will be better equiped to make a judgement call on different vets etc.

Kali_Kalika

Thanks adrenalinjunkie for throwing that thread straight up

To the OP - I can highly highly highly recommend the vet I mention in my posts on that thread Even call him or call in for a chat about the procedure, you will have all the info you need and see for yourself how talented he is. He comes with my 200% recommendation

TooManyDogs

I've had 6 female dogs spayed and haven't had any side effects at all, I don't think the side effects are all that frequently occuring.

westies4ever

JustAThought wrote: »

Hi. My dog is almost 3 and to date I have managed her heats. Mostly for work reasons I am now considering having her neutered; something to be honest I personally really don't want to do for various reasons; including an adverse reaction to anaesthetic which once nearly killed her. I'm asking please; people who have had their female dogs neutered, has anyone had the new ovaries only keyhole surgery, if so where did you have it done. And I'd be grateful for info on if your dog had side effects, mood changes, or any issues you had following the op. Please no ranting about unwanted litters/rescues etc. Many thanks.

I hadnt even heard of 'keyhole' before - interesting. Next time I'm spaying a dog will def look into. I got my female neutered at 12 months in the normal way - yes I know it is the responsible thing to do - but she was in agony and completely out of it for 3 days afterwards - not nice having to put a dog through that.

Cherry Blossom

I know of at least one vet performing 'keyhole spays' that involves just making an incision and cutting the fallopian tubes or just removing the ovaries. This is not the same thing as the proper laser surgery and my own vet has advised me that the possibility of leaving 'bits' behind can be risky and cause complications down the line, so make sure it's the proper laser surgery and not this, which cures the issue of unwanted puppies but not other issues involved with leaving a dog intact (mammary cancer etc.).

Zapperzy

Do you know what anaesthetic they used and what sort of a reaction she had? Was it actually a reaction or just a bad anaesthetic? Tell them this when your booking her in. They may use a different anaesthetic and monitor her more closely. You can opt for pre op bloods to check liver and kidney function but at 3 she shouldn't have any problems.

Lizard_Moon

adrenalinjunkie wrote: »

I know of at least one vet performing 'keyhole spays' that involves just making an incision and cutting the fallopian tubes or just removing the ovaries. This is not the same thing as the proper laser surgery and my own vet has advised me that the possibility of leaving 'bits' behind can be risky and cause complications down the line, so make sure it's the proper laser surgery and not this, which cures the issue of unwanted puppies but not other issues involved with leaving a dog intact (mammary cancer etc.).

Not laser surgery but laproscopic keyhole surgery :-) Tobyvet in cork uses endoscope (video camera) to visualise and make sure all bits removed as far as I know. Great video links on his web site explaining it.

Vets only making small spay holes not true 'Keyhole' surgery IMHO.
Ask to see the equipment they use, and I think you dog ends up with a few little holes for camera and equipment to fit in but not what we do and I have never seen it!

Cherry Blossom

Lizard_Moon wrote: »

Not laser surgery but laproscopic keyhole surgery :-)

I was under the impression that laser was used as this makes the whole procedure much more clean and aids the quick recovery time, perhaps wrongly so since I don't really know all that much about it

JustAThought

adrenalinjunkie wrote: »

Lizard_Moon wrote: »

Not laser surgery but laproscopic keyhole surgery :-)

I was under the impression that laser was used as this makes the whole procedure much more clean and aids the quick recovery time, perhaps wrongly so since I don't really know all that much about it

Thanks for the link in the second post to the other thread; lots of really interesting ( & some totally off) stuff there: rang one of the vets involved Tom Kelly who along with the other vet from Cork will be at the pet expo today (sat Oct 2011!) so I am heading in to talk with them. Tom Kelly was extremely superhelpful and very generous with his time so I was very impressed seeing as I was a random
Stranger taking up his busy surgery time.
Can't believe my timing was for once perfect. Many thanks to all for your help and comments/ feedback; looking forward to having the chance to dispel fears and myths and get to talk to the vets today .Many thanks to all : )

emmaroddy

JustAThought wrote: »

Thanks for the link in the second post to the other thread; lots of really interesting ( & some totally off) stuff there: rang one of the vets involved Tom Kelly who along with the other vet from Cork will be at the pet expo today (sat Oct 2011!) so I am heading in to talk with them. Tom Kelly was extremely superhelpful and very generous with his time so I was very impressed seeing as I was a random
Stranger taking up his busy surgery time.
Can't believe my timing was for once perfect. Many thanks to all for your help and comments/ feedback; looking forward to having the chance to dispel fears and myths and get to talk to the vets today .Many thanks to all : )

Hi JustAThought ..I dropped into Pet Expo at the RDS on Sunday with a friend (9th October) and went over to the Ask The Vet section (Vets Direct) and the two Keyhole Specialist Vets (in Ireland) were there.. Paul Kelly Vet (Ratoath Co. Meath) - I think you said Tom... but I believe you meant Paul... and the other Vet was Eamon Walsh (Toby Vet Cork)..two wonderfully helpful guys .... I've had a couple of cats and dogs neutered with Paul Kelly using the Laparoscopic Keyhole Bitch Spaying and indeed his Micro Spaying technique on two cats...who were up and running around in hours.(no elizabethan collar required). At Pet Expo both vets had separate lap-tops with their own videos which were shot while they performed the laparoscopic procedure in their own surgeries - they also had the equipment there for us to see ... I actually brought a friend along with me to prove to her that both Micro & Laparoscopic Keyhole Neutering exists here in Ireland and are both very effective procedures because she had read so much ill informed posts here on boards by one individual who seemed to hold some sort of bizarre grudge against one of the vets in particular and I felt it was very irresponsible of this individual not to have done his research before he made his potentially libel comments (one; which the moderator removed) - my friend was also very impressed with both vets and has booked her pouch in for the procedure on friday - as she lives in Dublin she'll be travelling to Ratoath. If you live in the South or Cork region I can highly recommend The Toby Vet Clinic. Hope this helps anyone considering Laparoscopic or Micro Keyhole spaying.

JustAThought

emmaroddy wrote: »

JustAThought wrote: »

Thanks for the link in the second post to the other thread; lots of really interesting ( & some totally off) stuff there: rang one of the vets involved Tom Kelly who along with the other vet from Cork will be at the pet expo today (sat Oct 2011!) so I am heading in to talk with them. Tom Kelly was extremely superhelpful and very generous with his time so I was very impressed seeing as I was a random
Stranger taking up his busy surgery time.
Can't believe my timing was for once perfect. Many thanks to all for your help and comments/ feedback; looking forward to having the chance to dispel fears and myths and get to talk to the vets today .Many thanks to all : )

Hi JustAThought ..I dropped into Pet Expo at the RDS on Sunday with a friend (9th October) and went over to the Ask The Vet section (Vets Direct) and the two Keyhole Specialist Vets (in Ireland) were there.. Paul Kelly Vet (Ratoath Co. Meath) - I think you said Tom... but I believe you meant Paul... I've had a couple of cats and dogs neutered with Paul Kelly using the Laparoscopic Keyhole Bitch Spaying and indeed his Micro Spaying technique on two cats...who were up and running around in hours.(no elizabethan collar required). At Pet Expo both vets had separate lap-tops with their own videos which were shot while they performed the laparoscopic procedure in their own surgeries - they also had the equipment there for us to see ... I actually brought a friend along with me to prove to her that both Micro & Laparoscopic Keyhole Neutering exists here in Ireland and are both very effective procedures because she had read so much ill informed posts here on boards here.

.... Yes I did mean vet Paul ( not Tom) Kelly!!!! I'm a bit dire at names so thanks; the same vet that was there at the Expo doing free talks and personalised Q&A sessions on the micro & laparoscopic spaying. extremely helpful and professional; and as you say seeing the equipment and videos and talking to both vets who were so professional and patient really put my mind at rest. Thanks for your positive words re the surgeries also; much appreciated. Apparently Paul Kelly vet used to work for another vet in rathaoth but has since set up his own practice in rathaoth which is NOT called Rathoat vets; I got him initially by doing a directory inquiry on his residence ; i have his business card now but just so that others don't make the same mistake!!!

crally

hi i dont know where you live but i have been told about a female vet in the Railway Vet in Loughrea, i think she is australian, who is very good and non invasive.