ex-military stuff

franksm

Hi folks

Have fancied an ex-UDR or ex-RUC Land Rover for a long while, finally getting closer to get one.

If I were to reregister one here (say a 1984 soft-top/pickup Land Rover) what tax rule would it come under ? Standard car, commercial, or something else ?

dutchcat

protestant tractor:P

101sean

If it's 1984, it will be private motor tax until 2014 (unless you have a business and can justify commercial tax) and be €948 pa! You'll also have to pay VRT, not sure whether it will be €200 or 13.3%.

There's a fair number of ex military Series 3 Land Rovers around but they were built up to 1984 and most for sale are late ones, I have come across several that have had chassis plates swapped or on dodgy ZV plates to get classic motor tax. There's subtle differences on post 1980 ones that only a total Land Rover geek like me will spot!

If you want to save a lot of bother there are always pre 1980 ones around in the UK if you look in the LR comics or at www.milweb.net

There's a couple of 101s for sale here if you want the best Land Rover ever built, will set you back €5-6000 though.

acmatman

I hope its not "verbotten" but this is my 101 for sale and its well before 1980 http://www.milweb.net/webverts/58756/

101sean

It left the factory on 2nd Feb 1976

Hermy

Morning or afternoon?

Run_to_da_hills

Is there any foreward controlls left in the country?

Not sure if the Defense forces here had them but these were the real LandRovers.

101sean

No, the Defence forces bought French built Acmats to do the same job :rolleyes:

There's probably 6 or 7 101's in the country but I think I'm the only one dumb enough to get out a lot in one (V8 petrol = 12mpg :eek:)

People often tell me they remember them as fire engines but they are confusing them with civvy 2A/2B Forward Control Land Rovers. 101s were only built for the British Army and for a few others mostly in 75/76 and there were only 2668 built.

Hermy

Sean, while you're there you might know the answer to this.
Back when I worked with my Dad who was a haulier operating out of Dublin Port the Port & Docks Authority had a Land Rover fire tender.
Would you happen to know if this vehicle has survived?

franksm

...speaking of which, Milweb.net has this beauty for sale at the mo:

Hermy

The port tender had an open back kinda like a pick-up as far as I know.

Hermy

Also, don't think I've posted this machine before:

unkel

101sean wrote: »

No, the Defence forces bought French built Acmats to do the same job :rolleyes:

There's probably 6 or 7 101's in the country but I think I'm the only one dumb enough to get out a lot in one (V8 petrol = 12mpg :eek:)

People often tell me they remember them as fire engines but they are confusing them with civvy 2A/2B Forward Control Land Rovers. 101s were only built for the British Army and for a few others mostly in 75/76 and there were only 2668 built.

A very cool machine! I'd never heard about them until I googled it based on your sig a few months ago

One question that stuck in my mind, can you drive one on a normal B driving license?

101sean

Hermy, I haven't come across it but know a couple of lads who may. Most likely it got scrapped or all the gear removed and civillianised.

There were a fair number of Land Rover fire engines converted by a whole host of companies, there are guys who are seriously in to them! I just bore anyone who will listen on military ones :rolleyes:

The last picture is of a Steyr Puch Pinzgauer, that looks like a petrol 70s one, probably ex Swiss army (give yourself a shock and see how much one is worth). The latest version has replaced the 101 in British service as gun tractors, production was moved to Guildford on the old Dennis site but they are now owned by US Stewart and Stevenson.

The godawful RB44 was supposed replace the 101 but they were hopeless as gun tractors (political interference to keep Reynolds Boughton quiet when they didn't win a major contract was responsible :rolleyes:)

You can all wake up now, lecture over

Hermy

Wide awake Sean.:)

Ah, the fire tender is just one of those distant memories from school holidays in the truck [Hino 336] and it would be nice to know it was still on the go although that seems unlikely..

101sean

Unkel, it depends!

Design gross weight was 3164kg with one tonne capacity. However the MOD upped them to 3664kg and 1.5t and put in another weight plate. This isn't a problem for older license holders in the UK, you can drive up to 7.5t but it's a different class of MOT.

Most owners (me included) remove the supplementary plate and leave the original VIN/weight plate, as long as you don't run over 3.5t you'll be fine.

I got off a speeding ticket recently when they tried to do me for doing over 80 in a goods vehicle, proved they were wrong

Empty it weighs less than 2t and is so low geared you can beat a lot of cars off the lights :cool:

unkel

Interesting stuff!

So essentially it's a car the size of a truck

101sean wrote: »

However the MOD upped them to 3664kg and 1.5t and put in another weight plate.

Without making modifications to the brake system, etc.? Could they just do that? LOL. You say it can only carry a tonne, we say a tonne and a half will be grand.

101sean

Yep, smaller footprint than a Range Rover.

Weight wise they are typically over engineered and properly set up the brakes are capable of stopping it. The military used to not worry about C&U regs but obey them all these days :rolleyes:

There's a picture of a fully laden Aussie Rapier tractor on a brake test with it's back wheels lifting off the ground, was in the days of proper Asbestos brake shoes though :rolleyes:

Conversely, the towing weight on the VIN plate is only 1.75t which is the weight of a L118 Light Gun or Rapier launcher. This does cause a few problems as most other Land Rovers can tow 3.5t

Think_then_talk

Dublin Port Land Rover (Fire Protection)

http://fire-service-trust.com/phy/clim/83839/11-8-2010-006a.jpg

quietsailor

I've seen a Range Rover tri-axle fire engine, was this a common conversion or has anyone seen one before?

101sean

There are several types but the most common is the ex RAF TACR2 and TACR2a airfield crash tender. They were all 6x4, last axle was a tag axle, some other versions were 6x6. The CAA changed the rules a while back, all airfield fire engines have to be all wheel drive so all the TACR2s that private airfields bought from the MOD have been sold on.

There's a whole group dedicated to 6wheel Rangies http://www.thesixappealwheelgroup.org/
Hundreds of pics http://album.sixappealwheel.org/

peasant

Hermy wrote: »

Also, don't think I've posted this machine before:

The Pinzgauer is a totally different kettle of fish from a Landy though.

It has a tubular chassis with a central "backbone" with integrated differentials and portal axles with reduction gears in the hubs.



http://members.westnet.com.au/profpinz/pinnyinfo/pinnyinfo_aircooled_files/pinnyinfo.htm


also comes in 6 x 6



http://www.difflock.com/diffmag/issue14/pinzgauer/technical.shtml

101sean

Tatra Kolos trucks are built on the same principal.