UPC availability in Tramore, Waterford

Shazer01

Hi all,
Quick question, Does anyone know when UPC will be available in Tramore, Waterford? I have been told it will be in the New Year by a rep from UPC but maybe someone else has an eta? Ill be so glad to get rid of the crappy phone lines and get a prope rbroadband service.:D

Kristopherus

Is Tramore being cabled by UPC?

Shazer01

Kristopherus wrote: »

Is Tramore being cabled by UPC?

Hi. That is what I was told. UPC hope to have Tramore cabled by at the latest end of the 1st quarter. Happy days.

Kristopherus

Happy days indeed. Enjoy, when you get it !!!

nw2010

There is no cable in Tramore, Only Mmds. There will never be a cablle system built from scratch. where there is none at all

Shazer01

The info I was given was from UPC themselves. So hopefully there not telling fibs. They have no reason to.

nw2010

Trust me I know! There is no cable system in Tramore and the never will be, as like any other town without a infrastructure it would require wayleaves over the entire town that would never be given, and there is no underground ducting in any part of Tramore either, It has been provided with MMDS from two alternate transmitters that cover most of the town, Perhaps whoever you were speaking to as referring to The Old Tramore Road area of Waterford, which does have cable and triple play and an estate in that area that has been MMDS and can be cabled, or indeed it could be just wishful thinking on the p[art of a salesperson

Freddie59

nw2010 wrote: »

Trust me I know! There is no cable system in Tramore and the never will be, as like any other town without a infrastructure it would require wayleaves over the entire town that would never be given, and there is no underground ducting in any part of Tramore either, It has been provided with MMDS from two alternate transmitters that cover most of the town, Perhaps whoever you were speaking to as referring to The Old Tramore Road area of Waterford, which does have cable and triple play and an estate in that area that has been MMDS and can be cabled, or indeed it could be just wishful thinking on the p[art of a salesperson

Indeed. Towns like Tramore, Carrigaline, etc are now out in the technological cold because of not being cabled. Unfortunately.:(

nw2010

Unfortunately true, Both NTL and Chorus took the easier option and went for MMDS but there was a time when the analogue service and line up of both systems were broadly the same, and its only in recent years the cable has really passed out MMDS completly, however it is technically possible to offer something similar over MMDS if the will was there to do it, not to mention the licence, it is hard to take that obviously uban places like Tramore and dozens of other towns and suburbs dont have access to Triple play, , and if UPC were in a position to offer such a service by MMDS they would really have a total winner, as well as the possibility of a real rural broadband system as long as subscribers had line of sight to a transmitter (easier said than done)

Freddie59

nw2010 wrote: »

Unfortunately true, Both NTL and Chorus took the easier option and went for MMDS

There's a bit more to it than that.;)

lucernarian

Freddie59 wrote: »

There's a bit more to it than that.;)

Really?? I thought they were too poor to replace the cable networks with something that might have 2 way amplification and could carry signals over 550 MHz. Princes Holdings never showed any appetite for the necessary investment back then.

Freddie59

To_be_confirmed wrote: »

Really?? I thought they were too poor to replace the cable networks with something that might have 2 way amplification and could carry signals over 550 MHz. Princes Holdings never showed any appetite for the necessary investment back then.

Tramore and Carrigaline were NEVER completely cabled (I think a tiny part of Carrigaline might be - I stand corrected if not). One housing estate in Tramore was cabled in 1973.

nw2010

I stand corrected, Sweet Briar Lawn i think, some evidence is still visable (This sounds like people tracing long since railway lines, mind you, you can find that in Tramore as well!) This is totally off topic,! However where there is absolutely no existing cable Network there will never be one, as apart from cost the issues of wayleaves would be impossible, everyone would expect there service to be free,to allow it to pass there premises. Overhead systems arent the best anyway technically, and digging up every street, every garden simply isnt going to happen. The towns that have un upgraded cable systems have some hope in the future and as per my origional point there is some potiential in MMDS with the will and the right licence, such systems do exist around the world with good broadband speeds and triple play over MMDS, Weather UPC want to do this or not is another issue. The threat of Fibre to the home from Eircom is a far more plausiable possibility in these towns and estates

lucernarian

Freddie59 wrote: »

Tramore and Carrigaline were NEVER completely cabled (I think a tiny part of Carrigaline might be - I stand corrected if not). One housing estate in Tramore was cabled in 1973.

When you said "there's a bit more to it than that", I thought you were referring to why MMDS was being used instead of cable in Tramore.

UPC could put up cable networks if they wanted to, if they could get wayleaves in the 70s then they could get them now surely? It might be somewhat more awkward now as competition has increased but if they offer excellent broadband then perhaps people will take notice. Besides civils costs are not as high as they used to be. UPC will not cover a lot of larger urban areas with cable if they're not willing to build any networks from scratch.

It's also a shame that UPC aren't more interested in using poles to provide cable TV like in the US or Australia or New Zealand though I suspect it's more because of planning regulations and public opinion that stops it happening.

nw2010

thats true all the equipment that upc uses is designed to be mounted on catenery's, moving away from Tramore there are countless areas without any cable. In no Particular order. Most towns in Co Cork except the city. Border towns. Carrig on Suir, Gorey, And MMDS fed cable like Wexford.
People in the 70's were more agreeable to cable systems being built as there was no other way to get 'the English' stations, long before Sky etc. In todays terms if a cable system was planned in a town many householders would have no intrest in it.. say even 30% who had sky, many others would want free service for wayleave. There is no way an Americian style cable system would get passed planning authorities, seeing as many have put uti;ities underground, then there is access to existing ducts and the ongoing costs. A full underground system would require massive work .Another massive cost factor is headends to be provided for such towns

Therefore in theory a new improved MMDS system would be ideal (if it worked). From a practical perspective only the customers premises would require any work as well as the behind the scenes stuff. (Far more appealing prospect for the accountants)

Shazer01

Quick question so. Is it possible to have broadband with MMDS and would it be any good? Would it be good for gaming online using the Xbox or PS3? Would there be a delay sending information to the central station (if thats what you could call it) because thats what happens playing online with a satellite system. The reason I am asking is because the rep that I spoke to was very clear. UPC want to have broadband available to every household in the country bu 2013. His words... not mine. And I did push him on it. Thanks for all the replies everyone..

nw2010

Unfortunately the rep is believing his own publicity.. UPC has done wonderful work behind the scenes bringing together cable and mmds systems from NTL and Chorus over the past few years.. Systems that ranged from good to pathetic. There is a properly structured company now, Standardised billing, sales, procedures in general, but still the many and varied systems still exist,
From World class triple play areas, through older systems gradually being improved, through TV only cable systems with Analogue and Digital as well as Analogue only, Hybrid MMDS cable sytems that may serve areas of a handful of houses, to large estates, As well as the Two MMDS systems that are incompatable with each other in terms of Decoders used. This is why DVR;s are available with NTL MMDS and not on Chorus areas. There are plenty of urban area left to upgrade to the full Triple play, before potientially moving onto the legacy areas.
One of the big problems lies with the uncertainty of the future of the MMDS licence( as discussed on other threads). There will be at some stage major news (good or bad) in relation to this via Comreg. As The MMDS system feeds these smaller towns and cable systems.
There is potiential for rural broadband solutions as well in theory

In my opnion basic TV services cannot continue forever as the industry evolves, compared with what SKY offers for TV, At one stage 20 years ago there was very little difference between Analogue via cable or MMDS Analogue, same channels etc, i dont know if it is technically possible to offer similar services both by Cable and by a wireless system, it would seen to be a holy grail if it were possible.

However finally MMDS is a strictly line of sight system and a two way system is even more sensitive, there will always be large areas that will not work with such a system

nw2010

i would imagine that any wireless broadband system could have a reasonable latency, ping speed etc for gaming, 3G, Wimax etc arent a million miles different, there wouldn't be the problems of satellite broadband as transmitters will be relatively nearby to subscribers. Similar to Wireless broadband services that were popular a few years ago...Digiweb, Irish Broadband, but with TV and a VOIP phone service as well

Freddie59

To_be_confirmed wrote: »

It's also a shame that UPC aren't more interested in using poles to provide cable TV like in the US or Australia or New Zealand though I suspect it's more because of planning regulations and public opinion that stops it happening.

Yeah it would be a good idea. But when you see the "protests":rolleyes: in this country at the moment (and the recent past) would you think it could EVER be a runner?

..Brian..

Alas Tramore will never be cabled. I heard a rumor of a estimate of €100m + to get it out there

nw2010

the same applies to any other area that is uncabled, and such investment is well beyond what could ever make a profit, I think the the first question asked on this thread regards being told that Tramore was going to be cabled must refer to The Old Tramore Road area of Waterford which has had some new cabling done recently where there was already ducts in place in estates that were MMDS up to now,