Can you help me - HDMI problem

mystic86

Not sure if this is the right section...I have already posted this in an existing thread on the playstation section but I need to get it more exposure...


I bought a new 'fancy' HDMI cable for my ps3 to led tv...

This is the cable:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/PRO-GOLD-1-4a-HDMI-COMPATIBLE/dp/B002U38E9O/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1316889947&sr=8-1


This is the TV:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Samsung-UE32D6100-Widescreen-Internet-Freeview/dp/B004TB4W7I


So I had a HDMI cable and all was working fine. But I was convinced to upgrade. However since I got the new cable it won't work properly. When I first connect it up it displays nothing (says no source). I plug it out of TV and plug it back in and now it displays the main menu (xmb) of the ps3. Ok. So after this what happens is it works for a while and then the display just goes for no reason I can figure out. As I say it gives problems when first trying to get it to display and after that its a bit random at times as to when the display goes but quite often its when I'm 'transitioning' from one operation to another - for example going from being at the xmb to loading a game or leaving a game back to the xmb or going from xmb to loading up a dvd etc etc etc


Can anyone help me out please??

lar77

Does your old HDMI cable still work? HDMI cables either work or don't (in your case). Pic quality won't be any better just because your new cable looks nicer or is "gold" plated? New cable is probable faulty ...

mystic86

lar77 wrote: »

Does your old HDMI cable still work? HDMI cables either work or don't (in your case). Pic quality won't be any better just because your new cable looks nicer or is "gold" plated? New cable is probable faulty ...

My old cable works perfectly but I'm down money on buying a useless HDMI cable if this doesn't work.

You say it either works or doesn't... well mine does both.. sometimes it works - it comes and goes

While I understand what you are saying, and agree to some extent, I find it a bit weird when people jump up and down shouting about cheap cables being just as good as the dear ones. They aren't. Every product is not manufactured to the same build quality and there are different transfer speeds and other features to consider

lar77

I would imagine your new cable has a loose connection in it somewhere. Return it and get your money back.

I'm hardly jumping up and down telling you all HDMI cables are the same now am I? Yes some are better build quality that others but just because you pay more for one with sexier looking housings at the end and a braided outer layer does not mean they are better than the cheap ones as you have just found out.

As for the transfer speeds ...... my cheap HDMI cables that are 5 years old work perfectly with my new 3D TV (both 3d blu ray and 3D games), I didn't have to buy a HDMI 1.4 cable. When I replace all my ethernet cables with HDMI ones then I'll see the point of HDMI 1.4 or when 1080p becomes old hat .... we're a few years away from that though.

andy1249

I find it a bit weird when people jump up and down shouting about cheap cables being just as good as the dear ones. They aren't. Every product is not manufactured to the same build quality and there are different transfer speeds and other features to consider

In terms of functionality they are exactly the same , it is totally impossible for any one HDMI cable to give a better picture or sound than any other HDMI cable , that is a fact.
You wasted your money buying the more expensive cable , Im sorry , but there it is , even if it had have worked it would have been no benefit over the one you already had.

HDMI transmits picture data in 3 x 10 bit words over 3 TMDS channels , the only way for the picture to change at the receiving end is for that data to change , and a simple piece of copper wire cannot change that data in any meaningful way. All it can do is lose it , and if that happens , as you have found out with your new cable , it just stops working altogether !

mystic86

andy1249 wrote: »

In terms of functionality they are exactly the same , it is totally impossible for any one HDMI cable to give a better picture or sound than any other HDMI cable , that is a fact.
You wasted your money buying the more expensive cable , Im sorry , but there it is , even if it had have worked it would have been no benefit over the one you already had.

HDMI transmits picture data in 3 x 10 bit words over 3 TMDS channels , the only way for the picture to change at the receiving end is for that data to change , and a simple piece of copper wire cannot change that in any meaningful way.

no benefit? how do you know that sir?

andy1249

Electronics and Semiconductor Engineer currently working in chipset design , HDMI being one of specialities, thats how!

I once posted a very detailed description of what would have to happen for a cable to make any difference and how impossible that would be on here , it was a sticky somewhere , but cant find it now !

Edit , found it ... my post number 21 here , also please note the many excellent and very knowledgeable posts by other members.

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055871082

mystic86

andy1249 wrote: »

Electronics and Semiconductor Engineer currently working in chipset design , HDMI being one of specialities, thats how!

I once posted a very detailed description of what would have to happen for a cable to make any difference and how impossible that would be on here , it was a sticky somewhere , but cant find it now !

Edit , found it ... my post number 21 here , also please note the many excellent and very knowledgeable posts by other members.

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055871082

checkmate

mystic86

andy1249 wrote: »

Electronics and Semiconductor Engineer currently working in chipset design , HDMI being one of specialities, thats how!

I once posted a very detailed description of what would have to happen for a cable to make any difference and how impossible that would be on here , it was a sticky somewhere , but cant find it now !

Edit , found it ... my post number 21 here , also please note the many excellent and very knowledgeable posts by other members.

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055871082

whats the craic with this version so in terms of 'faster transfer speeds' - are you telling me this cable has not one single benefit?

andy1249

whats the craic with this version so in terms of 'faster transfer speeds' - are you telling me this cable has not one single benefit?

As far as cables go , there are no versions as such , version numbers dont apply to cables , they have never applied to cables , see here ,

http://www.hdmi.org/consumer/buying_guide.aspx

When it comes to selecting a cable, the HDMI version number is never relevant. There is no such thing as a “Version 1.4 cable” or “HDMI 1.3 cable” - these terms are solely the creation of manufacturers’ marketing efforts.

So when you see HDMI 1.4 or HDMI 1.x on a cable , the manufacturer or seller is using those numbers to try and tell you your getting something better , which is basically a fraud , your not , one HDMI cable is just as good as another.

What you do have are tests that can be done on a cables bandwidth handling capabilities , and depending on which test was done they are marked standard speed or high speed.

Note that this standard or high speed rating is only important on long cables , as short cables will handle anything you can throw at it.

Another thing you will see is the " with ethernet" capability , which has two wires twisted that are not twisted in non ethernet versions.

However , in all the time that HDMI 1.4 capable devices have been on the market , not one single device has crossed my path that supports this feature , so again , you can ignore this feature , as it is highly unlikely to become commonplace.

The reason for this is simple , the standard RJ45 networking port is a well known , mature and stable technology that is cheap to add to any device , the chances of HDMI replacing this are as close to nil as you could possibly get , not least because of the fact that HDMI cable runs start to fail miserably once you cross the 15 meter mark.

As regards to " faster transfer speeds" , thats basically BS , as the max bandwidth for HDMI 1.4 chipsets is exactly the same as the previous 1.3 version , its 10.2Gbps.

ZENER

I recently challenged a rep in Hardly Normal to prove there was a difference between a 9.99 HDMI cable from the games section of the store and a 90 euro Gold plated cable he wanted to sell me from the AV section of the store . . . he declined. He had insisted that there would be a huge difference but couldn't tell me why other than "but it's gold plated !!"

Ken

mcwhirter

Don't get me started on cables carrying analogue signals, you will regret it:D

dharn

has anybody here ever gone to the cloney audio demos, esp lars from nordost .. any comments ?

viperirl

dharn wrote: »

has anybody here ever gone to the cloney audio demos, esp lars from nordost .. any comments ?

I've been to a couple of those Nordost demos alright. I found them comical to say the least but worth going to just for the entertainment value alone.

They came out with some blatently false statements on HDMI cables during one of the demos.

They'll be there at the Cloney Hifi show in the Burlington Hotel this coming weekend.

andy1249

This is sad to hear , I didnt know Cloney Audio were prone to going down this fraudulent route to make money.

dharn

cloney bring in different companies to demo their products lars from nordost is legendary i think he must be some sort of witch doctor he will have a 20000 euro system playing then he will place an other cone under the amp and the sound will improve more..... anyone explain ?

andy1249

he will have a 20000 euro system playing then he will place an other cone under the amp and the sound will improve more..... anyone explain ?

The equivalent of the travelling medicine shows , where the term snakeoil comes from.

In any pre-prepared demo , any perceiveable difference coming from something as ridiculous as a cone will undoubtedly be set up , a signal given here or there to a colleague, or a hidden switch or whatever, that activates some active electronics and wows the audience , who promptly hand over ridiculous amounts of cash for something that couldnt possible work.

Just like the doddery old codger that swallows the snakeoil and does a jig , and sells loads of bottles of highly priced sugar water for the person that hired him.

viperirl

andy1249 wrote: »

The equivalent of the travelling medicine shows , where the term snakeoil comes from.

In any pre-prepared demo , any perceiveable difference coming from something as ridiculous as a cone will undoubtedly be set up , a signal given here or there to a colleague, or a hidden switch or whatever, that activates some active electronics and wows the audience , who promptly hand over ridiculous amounts of cash for something that couldnt possible work.

Just like the doddery old codger that swallows the snakeoil and does a jig , and sells loads of bottles of highly priced sugar water for the person that hired him.

There was no such trickery at the weekend demos though. Just the power of suggestion and some pseudo science nonsense to convince the gullable to part with their hard earned cash.
People are entitled to spend what they wish of course but what is unacceptable is to use unsubstantiated claims or BS about what these gadgets can do. Fraud.
Anyway, this is something for another thread.