Multiple Benefits

ejmaztec

We probably all know people in this category, some receiving huge sums from the State. I often wondered how they were allowed to get away with it, and the reason has now become clear.

When the previous government started talking about cuts, they should have sorted out the software which would have made all of the relevant information available.

There must be an awful lot of unemployed people scratching around, and trying to surive on a basic benefit, whilst there is an unknown number taking the piss.

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2011/0930/1224305000668.html

Total paid to families on welfare not tracked

STATE SYSTEMS for monitoring the payment of entitlements have no way of showing how much a family as a whole is receiving, Minister for Social Protection Joan Burton has revealed.
She was commenting after the release of figures by Labour Party Senator Jimmy Harte which suggested one unemployed married couple with four children were receiving more than €1,700 a week in payments – more than €90,000 a year – under various schemes.
While the department said it did not comment on individual cases, it did note that it was notionally possible that a family could draw down an income of this size provided the family met the eligibility criteria for the various schemes.
“I think most people who are paying tax and working and most people on social welfare would find the level of the payments described as being quite extraordinary,” said Ms Burton.
She said she had been “surprised” by the lack of information available to her regarding household incomes when she joined the department earlier this year.
“We don’t have data in the software structures at the department which enables a whole family’s situation to be looked at at a glance.”
The department’s method of collecting information is based on individuals, she explained, meaning that it did not collect figures for how much a family unit might be receiving when all of their entitlements were combined.
Ms Burton said in the case cited it was likely that the family was also in receipt of payments from the HSE, which operated a separate system to her department.
“The computers and the software in the HSE doesn’t talk to the software in the Department of Social Protection.
“Where the HSE are paying allowances and the Department of Social Protection is paying allowances as well, you would only be able to get a total picture if you had the particular detailed circumstances of the family involved.”
Ms Burton said the limitations of the systems in use were an issue of concern and her department would be looking to update “in particular the software platforms so that we have a whole picture and a complete picture of the income supports that an individual or a family in particular may be receiving”.
Ms Burton added that such a system was a feature of social welfare structures in a lot of other countries. She had previously signalled that the Government may look at the introduction of a ceiling on the level of welfare payments families can receive under various schemes, saying that “these are the kind of issues [families receiving €90,000 on welfare] I would like to have addressed in the comprehensive review of expenditure.”
Although she failed to expand on that point when asked yesterday, she did say that the department needed to look at issues such as that raised by Mr Harte.

Logical Fallacy

ejmaztec wrote: »

We probably all know people in this category, some receiving huge sums from the State.

I don't.

Balfie

Everyone I know does it. Even you do it. Even you reading this right now does it. See I caught ya.










I really don't know anyone that is claiming loads. Its hard enough to get one claim never mind multiple claims.

ejmaztec

Logical Fallacy wrote: »

I don't.

I do.

haron

wish i knew how to scam the system i cant even get the basic

Steodonn

Someone should right a guide on how to do this. There is no way my family gets anywhere near a quarter of that.

Time to ditch this honesty thing

ejmaztec

haron wrote: »

wish i knew how to scam the system i cant even get the basic

The ones that I know aren't scamming, they get legitimate hand-outs from various government bodies.

haron

there needs to be a guild on how to work the system

MagicSean

I do know someone. She is claiming tonnes illegally. Reported them to welfare but nothing has been done. They recently bought a new horse.

maygitchell

Dexter

westendgirlie

So anyone any tips on how I can quadruple my weekly wage? Without having to work of course.

maygitchell

westendgirlie wrote: »

So anyone any tips on how I can quadruple my weekly wage? Without having to work of course.

Are you Bosnian?

Wibbs

Logical Fallacy wrote: »

I don't.

Well true, not huge sums LF, but I personally know a few, too many, out there receiving payments enough to not make it financially worthwhile to seek employment at not far off the average industrial wage, because of the loss of both the cash and the attendant benefits(free health, subsidised rent etc). Of these a couple of them are also doing under the counter cash work to boot. I also know a couple of other people struggling and in actual need not getting a fair shake. It can appear to be quite inequitable out there at times.

Freddie59

ejmaztec wrote: »

whilst there is an unknown number taking the piss.

Indeed. And successive Governments and Department heads are too stupid to realise that you must throw resources at it - no matter what the cost. Fcucking scumbag scroungers.

7sr2z3fely84g5

ejmaztec wrote: »

We probably all know people in this category, some receiving huge sums from the State. I often wondered how they were allowed to get away with it, and the reason has now become clear.

When the previous government started talking about cuts, they should have sorted out the software which would have made all of the relevant information available.

My own take is there wasn't much law in place back then,looking at citizens info site,states a person must take a course whilst signing up,i don't think the FF era gov brought that in even in last days of power,its amazing to think the last gov even kept raising the rates of benefits despite plenty of work available at the time.

todays indo on benefits which reveals a report from social protection-
http://www.independent.ie/business/personal-finance/latest-news/family-can-earn-up-to-euro42500-in-welfare-bonanza-2894677.html

A FAMILY with four children can get up to €42,500 a year in welfare payments, the Government admitted last night.
The revelation prompted employer groups to complain about a "welfare bonanza" which was sucking away incentives for taking up work.
ISME boss Mark Fielding acknowledged there were few jobs available, but high welfare payments were deterring workers from taking up those vacancies that were to be filled.
A study by the Department of Social Protection found that a family of two adults and four children was entitled to €42,552 a year in social welfare payments if they lived in Dublin. This works out at €818 a week.
A Galway-based family of the same size would get €38,444 a year. In weekly terms the family would end up with €740.
The lower total welfare figure for the West of Ireland family is due to lower rent supplement as housing costs are lower than in the capital.
Officials denied this would stop people taking up jobs, insisting it would still be worth while for of one of the parents to take a job paying €28,000. They would qualify for other welfare schemes while working which would supplement any loss of income.
There have been persistent claims that generous welfare payments, particularly those for families, were keeping families locked in a welfare trap, where it was more rewarding to stay on the dole than take a job.
Officials carried out the examination of the welfare trap after a businessman said in March he offered a permanent job to two separate workers who had been unemployed for two years but was rejected.
Last night the Department of Social Protection study showed a family with four children received €16,266 a year in Jobseeker's Allowance for the unemployed person and the qualified adult. Payments of €6,198 were due for the four children as part of the dole. The department also added in €7,488 in child benefit.
Fuel allowance of €640 was also included, but no amount was included in the department's figures for back-to-school payments.
Rent supplement varies between €12,000 in Dublin and €7,852 in Galway.
Supplement
The welfare payments were compared with a job paying €28,000. After paying PRSI and the universal social charge the net pay would be €25,865.
But officials said the family would also be entitled to €10,190 in family income supplement -- a welfare payment made to the low paid.
Child benefit of €7,488 would take the net income up to €43,543. The department also added €3,647 to cover rent under a scheme administered by local authorities called the rental accommodation scheme.
Mr Fielding said employers were now finding staff they had put on three-day weeks were reluctant to now go back full time as they would lose welfare entitlements.

child benefit since its universal payment should be means tested or taxed but i believe some depend on it to pay for their mortgages.

Plus the med card seems to be a very generous tool for education/medical needs.

westendgirlie

maygitchell wrote: »

Are you Bosnian?

Are you?

maygitchell

westendgirlie wrote: »

Are you?

Do you see me with 90gs a year?

mickydoomsux

Alyssa Fit Bug wrote: »

todays indo on benefits which reveals a report from social protection-
http://www.independent.ie/business/personal-finance/latest-news/family-can-earn-up-to-euro42500-in-welfare-bonanza-2894677.html

Was reading this in work today and i was absolutely seething. It was brought to my attention by a co-worker who basically asked the question "what the **** are we doing here?".

Fair play to the DSP for releasing the report for scrutiny.

I know someone who got caught doing this. He is now deducted 50cent a week off his dole to pay them back.

That's right folks, 50 cent a week :eek:

fedor.2.

These types of threads are getting really annoying

mickydoomsux

Starla_o0 wrote: »

I know someone who got caught doing this. He is now deducted 50cent a week off his dole to pay them back.

That's right folks, 50 cent a week :eek:

Ah shure if ya took any more it would discommode him.

It's the equivalent of someone working in a job and stealing money out of the till to supplement their wages and their bosses not firing them but rather taking a few bob back off them every week instead of firing them.

CarMe

Makes me shudder hearing it refered to as a wage. No I don't know anybody claiming loads.

Zebra3

Scum at the top and scum at the bottom creaming off money from those who actually go out and do an honest day's work. :mad: