Fine Gael using PR company's to throw mud ? - Davis

HellsAngel

Mary Davis has made allegations regarding the above - " Mary Davis has challenged the Fine Gael party over the alleged use of professional pollsters to generate “negative stories” in the presidential campaign.....Asked afterwards who was paying for this campaign, she said: “It would appear to me ... that it is driven by Fine Gael. "

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2011/1004/breaking34.html

I'd happen to agree with her, it seems to be the stratedgy of FG, and of course FG are been aided and abbetted by Sir Tony O'Reilly's comic the Independent. And indeed as some have pointed out, their seems to be a persistent few on boards.ie who are prepared to sling mud at anyone - but Mitchell ofcourse.

So folks what's your thoughts, is it FG strategdy to try to get Mitchell elected by mud slinging and dirty tricks ?

( Funny enough, but could I be smelling Eoghan Harris somewhere in the background )

jonniebgood1

I think Mary Davis created her own problems with first of all the attempt to hog councils to prevent other independents getting on the ballot paper. And then with the slow revelation that shes been milking it on state bodies under FF. Now today her 'charity' giving contract to her family members. I think shes headed for 7th place.

reprazant

While I don't doubt that FG are mudslinging, is the Independent now considered the mouthpiece of FG?

For years, I was reliably informed that it, and RTE, were FFs mouthpieces.

I don't think that the Indo's smear campaigns are anything to do with FG. It, and O'Reilly, just don't seem to want neither McGuiness nor Norris anywhere near the election.

stewie01

waits for kelticknight to arrive

HellsAngel

reprazant wrote: »

While I don't doubt that FG are mudslinging, is the Independent now considered the mouthpiece of FG?

For years, I was reliably informed that it, and RTE, were FFs mouthpieces.

I don't think that the Indo's smear campaigns are anything to do with FG. It, and O'Reilly, just don't seem to want neither McGuiness nor Norris anywhere near the election.

Yes good point regarding Sir Tony's comics now been the mouthpiece of FG. But then since FG are in power and God knows if FF 'the republican party' will ever get back into power again, Sir Tony has to court the Redmonites of FG for favours and tax breaks etc

True about not wanting MMcG, but as for Norris.....are you kidding, the Sindo has been backing him months ago.

Richard tea

FG have realised that their golden boy is muck. So the best they can hope for is to sling the auld mud and hope it sticks. Mitchell should trot on back to where he came from ( most likely his head burried in the EU trough ) munch munch munch

HellsAngel

stewie01 wrote: »

waits for kelticknight to arrive

Indeed -

" It's SF/IRA who are doing all the dirty tricks.......And Martin McGuinness altered the breaks on Lady Di's car, shot Micheal Collins and ate Gay Mitchell's pet hamster !!!"

HellsAngel

Richard tea wrote: »

FG have realised that their golden boy is muck. So the best they can hope for is to sling the auld mud and hope it sticks. Mitchell should trot on back to where he came from ( most likely his head burried in the EU trough ) munch munch munch

Yes, like their attempts with Mary McAleese and the "tribal time bomb" tatic in the last Pres election. Look how that worked for them.

Count Dooku

HellsAngel wrote: »

So folks what's your thoughts, is it FG strategdy to try to get Mitchell elected by mud slinging and dirty tricks ?

FG strategy is to get Michael D Higgins elected by doing all dirty job for him in order to keep happy Labour happy and get something in exchange later

bijapos

The story on FG using negative polling was in the Sunday Business Post about 10 days ago: http://www.sbpost.ie/news/ireland/fg-polling-firm-tests-negative-messages-58763.html

Amarach director Orla Murphy refused to comment, while managing directorMichaelMcLoughlin, who formerly worked for Fine Gael as political director, did not return messages.He is currently out of the country. A Fine Gael spokesman said he was ‘‘not aware ofanything specific, but we are doing internal research on an ongoing basis’’.He would not say if he had spoken to Amarach on the issue.

Judging by FG's reaction I would assume it to be true.

KELTICKNIGHTT

stewie01 wrote: »

waits for kelticknight to arrive

hey stewie
i have arrived
just another sf thread

goat2

mud slinging will gain nothing, more to lose, i saw david norris at an event at the weekend, and he stressed in his speech, he would not utter a word about any other candidate, for that i admire him

Sunnyisland

KELTICKNIGHTT wrote: »

hey stewie
i have arrived
just another sf thread

:D welcome :D

gandalf

Richard tea wrote: »

FG have realised that their golden boy is muck. So the best they can hope for is to sling the auld mud and hope it sticks. Mitchell should trot on back to where he came from ( most likely his head burried in the EU trough ) munch munch munch

Err Mitchell wasn't the golden boy though. I believe the powers that be wanted Pat Cox to be the chosen one and the party faithful let them down choosing Mitchell.

As for the Independent Newspaper group backing FG they probably are now because their darlings in FF aren't going to be back in power anytime soon if ever (thank god).

FG are not going to win this election, their goal probably is to stay ahead of the Sinners in the poll.

toexpress

HellsAngel wrote: »

Mary Davis has made allegations regarding the above - " Mary Davis has challenged the Fine Gael party over the alleged use of professional pollsters to generate “negative stories” in the presidential campaign.....Asked afterwards who was paying for this campaign, she said: “It would appear to me ... that it is driven by Fine Gael. "

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2011/1004/breaking34.html

I'd happen to agree with her, it seems to be the stratedgy (sic) of FG, and of course FG are been aided and abbetted by Sir Tony O'Reilly's comic the Independent. And indeed as some have pointed out, their seems to be a persistent few on boards.ie who are prepared to sling mud at anyone - but Mitchell ofcourse.

So folks what's your thoughts, is it FG strategdy (sic) to try to get Mitchell elected by mud slinging and dirty tricks ?

( Funny enough, but could I be smelling Eoghan Harris somewhere in the background )

Where is the proof to back this? Honestly talk about mud slinging ...

KELTICKNIGHTT

realies wrote: »

:D welcome :D

not really

GSF

HellsAngel wrote: »

Mary Davis has made allegations regarding the above - " Mary Davis has challenged the Fine Gael party over the alleged use of professional pollsters to generate “negative stories” in the presidential campaign.....Asked afterwards who was paying for this campaign, she said: “It would appear to me ... that it is driven by Fine Gael. "

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2011/1004/breaking34.html

I'd happen to agree with her, it seems to be the stratedgy of FG, and of course FG are been aided and abbetted by Sir Tony O'Reilly's comic the Independent. And indeed as some have pointed out, their seems to be a persistent few on boards.ie who are prepared to sling mud at anyone - but Mitchell ofcourse.

So folks what's your thoughts, is it FG strategdy to try to get Mitchell elected by mud slinging and dirty tricks ?

( Funny enough, but could I be smelling Eoghan Harris somewhere in the background )

This would be a report in The Irish Times which paid Mary Davis to be on the board of The Irish Times :rolleyes:

No conflict there then?

toexpress

In all this mud slinging that is allegedly going on (remember slander is only in the case of someone saying/printing something that is not true) has anyone looked at the figures that are coming to the fore from all these candidates?

Mary Davis released some today but was a little vague.

Michael D. released his pension sums and everything was "around" now I know what my salary is to the penny.

Gallagher seemed to be looking for loopholes in revealing his income.

We have as yet to hear from the rest.

But it has to be said Davis did put it to them all today.

trishasaffron

Glad to see Davis revealed as the FF gravy trainer she is. How on earth did she have the nerve (or stupidity) to think her bizarre near canonisation as a special olympics administrator wouldn't backfire?

The more mud she gets slung at her the better as far as I'm concerned - and those "prada" full length shots on her posters are cringe making - please please lets have a serious intelligent candidate - photogenic or not.

toexpress

not to mention her unashamed use of the disabled to further her own profile and agenda

GSF

Isnt Davis a PR spinner in her spare time too?

mikom

pruneog wrote: »

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDsPFakmH5A

new animation for Mary Davis campaign, what do you think?

Spam.
All your posts have been pimping it.

The typical caricature of a banker shows one wearing a bowler hat.
Your animation is full of guys in bowler hats.
This is not what turns the Irish public on these days.

expectationlost

http://sbpost.ie/news/ireland/fg-polling-firm-tests-negative-messages-58763.html

whos is paying Amarach to do this, or is it their donation to the campaign of gay mitchell

Amarach managing director Michael McLoughlin, who formerly worked for Fine Gael as political director

K-9

toexpress wrote: »

In all this mud slinging that is allegedly going on (remember slander is only in the case of someone saying/printing something that is not true) has anyone looked at the figures that are coming to the fore from all these candidates?

Mary Davis released some today but was a little vague.

Michael D. released his pension sums and everything was "around" now I know what my salary is to the penny.

Gallagher seemed to be looking for loopholes in revealing his income.

We have as yet to hear from the rest.

But it has to be said Davis did put it to them all today.

I think they only were asked about income from the state with McGuinness giving his from NI. Private income as in Dana and Gallagher wasn't asked for.

toexpress

K-9 wrote: »

I think they only were asked about income from the state with McGuinness giving his from NI. Private income as in Dana and Gallagher wasn't asked for.

I think both of those candidates would have state incomes certainly Dana as a former MEP would have something no matter how small.

Either way they have all been fairly vague about the whole thing

I take issue with Norris' statements on income, I have seen his lifestyle and if he maintains that without an income over and beyond that which he tells us is all he has he must owe the banks a serious amount of money. I wouldn't like to be trying to pay off his overdraft anyway

goat2

toexpress wrote: »

I think both of those candidates would have state incomes certainly Dana as a former MEP would have something no matter how small.

Either way they have all been fairly vague about the whole thing

I take issue with Norris' statements on income, I have seen his lifestyle and if he maintains that without an income over and beyond that which he tells us is all he has he must owe the banks a serious amount of money. I wouldn't like to be trying to pay off his overdraft anyway

what is the story on the david norris claiming some kind of sick pay while still working, or did i mis hear it on telly, fine gael has shot themselves in the foot, by speaking out against mcginness, as a matter of fact they are doing him a favour, also when doing charity, i thought people did not get paid great sums, i have done chariatable work, and did not get nor did i seek a cent, as charity comes from the heart

K-9

toexpress wrote: »

I think both of those candidates would have state incomes certainly Dana as a former MEP would have something no matter how small.

Either way they have all been fairly vague about the whole thing

I take issue with Norris' statements on income, I have seen his lifestyle and if he maintains that without an income over and beyond that which he tells us is all he has he must owe the banks a serious amount of money. I wouldn't like to be trying to pay off his overdraft anyway

She only served one term as an MEP so not sure if she'd qualify for a pension. Gallagher didn't have any very lucrative positions so I'd doubt he has any pensions and he seems to have been upfront about it. Tbh, I don't know if those 2 in particular should have to divulge personal incomes as they aren't employed by the state. I'm sure any companies they are involved could be researched to see what salaries they drew down, happened to Wallace for the General Election.

johngalway

goat2 wrote: »

what is the story on the david norris claiming some kind of sick pay while still working, or did i mis hear it on telly

Apparently he contracted some type of Hepatitis (?) from drinking water in Central Europe. Trinity had him retire and he received disability pay of €2,500 per month, the figures on the radio seem to say around €30,000 per year for the past 16 years.

That is in addition to his Senators pay.

HellsAngel

toexpress wrote: »

Where is the proof to back this? Honestly talk about mud slinging ...

Do fish swim

Dublinman12

HellsAngel wrote: »

Mary Davis has made allegations regarding the above - " Mary Davis has challenged the Fine Gael party over the alleged use of professional pollsters to generate “negative stories” in the presidential campaign.....Asked afterwards who was paying for this campaign, she said: “It would appear to me ... that it is driven by Fine Gael. "

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2011/1004/breaking34.html

I'd happen to agree with her, it seems to be the stratedgy of FG, and of course FG are been aided and abbetted by Sir Tony O'Reilly's comic the Independent. And indeed as some have pointed out, their seems to be a persistent few on boards.ie who are prepared to sling mud at anyone - but Mitchell ofcourse.

So folks what's your thoughts, is it FG strategdy to try to get Mitchell elected by mud slinging and dirty tricks ?

( Funny enough, but could I be smelling Eoghan Harris somewhere in the background )

Totally agree with you hells angel...the dog on the street knows this and even newstalk is so blatantly attacking everyone except Mitchell....