Gamecube Fighters

OwaynOTT

Is there any good ones?
I can't even find many on line.
SNK v Capcom 2 - which I have for dreamcast and I like but reviews for it on gamecube not great.

Soul Calibre 2 - never played and of the games in this series. Am I missing out?

Smash brothers melee - love it but it's not really a traditional fighter

Is there any good ones? Doesn't seem to be many at all. N64 suffered he same problem didn't it. Killer Instinct wasn't great. No Street Fighter, marvel or any vs ones.
Snes was really the last nintendo console to have decent fighters and they were all street fighters really.
This lack was really what turned me on to sega dreamcast and Saturn looks to have q few decent ones as well.

DickyC

OwaynOTT wrote: »

Soul Calibre 2 - never played and of the games in this series. Am I missing out?

Soul Calibur on the dreamcast is one of the systems highlights.GET IT NOW:pac:

SC2 is probably the best fighter on the cube, you have the added bonus of link as a playable character.

OwaynOTT

DickyC wrote: »

Soul Calibur on the dreamcast is one of the systems highlights.GET IT NOW:pac:

SC2 is probably the best fighter on the cube, you have the added bonus of link as a playable character.

Yes Sir! Drill Sergeant Sir!

DickyC

OwaynOTT wrote: »

Yes Sir! Drill Sergeant Sir!

only joking with the shouting, but it is seriously good
invest in a vga box and you won't look back:pac:

Atavan-Halen

The naruto games are fairly decent

K.O.Kiki

Haven't played it, but just from the description it sounds like the best thing ever:

Dream Mix TV World Fighters -- Konami vs Hudson Soft vs Takara in Smash-style.

Also, CvS2 (GC) reviews were most likely marred by it being EO (Easy Operation), so you could do specials/supers at the touch of the C-stick -- great for casual play -- and by the Cube pad not being suited.
Also, the GC/Xbox versions are minor revisions from the Arcade/DC/PS2 builds.

*edit*

Also, try Bloody Roar: Primal Fury, and Godzilla: Destroy All Monsters Melee (and look up the AVGN "Godzilla" episode).

Mr.Saturn

There's an incredibly amount of bad-will generated for CvS2: EO, but if you get one of those 3rd party Wii classic controllers with the Gamecube plugs, it turns out to be a pretty decent version, by all accounts. There's also the Hori GB player pad, as a more premium option.

There's also Bloody Roar and Godzilla: Destroy All Monsters. I can't speak for either's quality, mind.

OwaynOTT

DickyC wrote: »

only joking with the shouting, but it is seriously good
invest in a vga box and you won't look back:pac:

Yeah I know. Have the vga box. Great picture quality alrite but out of the 5 games I have 1 doesnt work with it, SNK V Capcom! Need a vga cable for that.

OwaynOTT

K.O.Kiki wrote: »

Haven't played it, but just from the description it sounds like the best thing ever:

Dream Mix TV World Fighters -- Konami vs Hudson Soft vs Takara in Smash-style.

Also, CvS2 (GC) reviews were most likely marred by it being EO (Easy Operation), so you could do specials/supers at the touch of the C-stick -- great for casual play -- and by the Cube pad not being suited.
Also, the GC/Xbox versions are minor revisions from the Arcade/DC/PS2 builds.

*edit*

Also, try Bloody Roar: Primal Fury, and Godzilla: Destroy All Monsters Melee (and look up the AVGN "Godzilla" episode).

That TV World Fighters looks good and any thing with Optimus Prime gets my vote.

Sure he's got the Touch!

http://youtu.be/COYRxf13tIg

OwaynOTT

Does the freeloader just enable you to play NTSC games or does it play them at 60hz as well?

Any games I tried ran at 60Hz, but I only have experience of a few.

Dr Bob

DickyC wrote: »

Soul Calibur on the dreamcast is one of the systems highlights.GET IT NOW:pac:

SC2 is probably the best fighter on the cube, you have the added bonus of link as a playable character.

Its nice and all but Heihachi Mishima >Link so it's the PS2 version for me

DickyC

luas_dublin wrote: »

Its nice and all but Heihachi Mishima >Link so it's the PS2 version for me

I never said he was the best It was a nice extra having different characters on the different home formats. I have watched some of your review videos on youtube, keep up the good work.

Mr Vengeance

Even though it has very few arcade-style games, the good old GameCube is one of my favourite consoles of all time. Such a pity it has shag all exclusive beat-em-ups...

As great as Soul Calibur II is on it, its not as good as the Dreamcast original, which is, in my SNK-fanboy view, believe it or not, the best fighting game ever created. Using a stock controller, SCII is best of the PS2.

If you want fighters then the GC is probably the last place I'd go. Its a great console for RPGs, survival horror, quirky sh!t and platformers, but for shmups, arcade racers and fighting games its not all that great - a few excellent examples here and there, but the likes of the PS2 and Dreamcast offer vastly superior line-ups in those particular departments.

K.O.Kiki

But the GC also has Smash Bros Melee -- still one of the most complex fighters ever designed.

I personally don't like it for more than a quick bash, but I can see its appeal.

Mr Vengeance

K.O.Kiki wrote: »

But the GC also has Smash Bros Melee -- still one of the most complex fighters ever designed.

I personally don't like it for more than a quick bash, but I can see its appeal.

I once got into a massive fricking argument about the complexity of Smash Bros once with a Nintendo fanboy back in the day I remember

My view hasn't changed much since back then - I personally don't think its up there with the likes of Virtua Fighter or King of Fighters, mainly because of how technical those sorts of games are, with all their moves, systems, gauges, stocks, cancels and whatnot, but I do appreciate that the Smash Bros. games are varied and highly competitive experiences. Are they deep and complex? I honestly think that they can be played casually and seriously, just like Mario Kart or Capcom crossover games. The Smash Bros. games of course have lots of variables relating to the weapons and characters move sets, but I cannot see them competing with the technical experences found in games such as BlazBlue, Soul Calibur, Street Fighter Alpha, and the aforementioned genre classics KoF and Virtua Fighter.

Having said that, I consider Smash Bros on the N64 as one of my favourite games on the format. Its of an incredibly high quality, and my personal favourite in the series. Its a load of fun and offers plenty of challenge and variety, replayability and enjoyment over the long term. Does it have buffers, super cancels, parries, combos or desperation moves? No. Is it one of the most fun and enjoyable fighting games ever? Definately.

It doesn't need to have all that features associated with the likes of the King of Fighters and Street Fighter IV - it is its own game and will always be fun to play. Its a party fighter, and a game that can be played seriously too which requires lots of knowledge and experience on the part of the player in order to truly master - but I can't see a Smash Bros game ever appearing at one of those big tournaments to be honest, as much as I love playing it.

K.O.Kiki

Actually, Smash has a large enough professional scene, especially in America.
The biggest issue they've faced is over SSBB being kind of shít for tournament play, and also slightly shady stuff like match fixing.

Also, SSBM was at Evo 2010, SSBB was at Evo 2008.

Also also, weapons aren't used in most major tourneys (hence why their community wasn't too keen on Evo rulesets).

Finally, just reading about Smash movement/recovery-cancelling makes my head swim (it's about 2x as complex as Tekken in that regard).

Mr Vengeance

K.O.Kiki wrote: »

Actually, Smash has a large enough professional scene, especially in America.
The biggest issue they've faced is over SSBB being kind of shít for tournament play, and also slightly shady stuff like match fixing.

Also, SSBM was at Evo 2010, SSBB was at Evo 2008.

Also also, weapons aren't used in most major tourneys (hence why their community wasn't too keen on Evo rulesets).

Finally, just reading about Smash movement/recovery-cancelling makes my head swim (it's about 2x as complex as Tekken in that regard).

I am happy to be proved wrong as I love the games, but I'm not convinced that Smash Bros is up there with the depth and complexity of the Virtua Fighter series, or the games SNK has produced on the Neo Geo and other hardware in the past.

If you look at what is going on in the Virtua Fighter games for instance, you have characters whole move-sets are based on real-life martial arts and other fighting disciplines. Characters can have literally hundreds of moves, varying stances, counters, holds and evasive maneuvers. In King of Fighters XI on the AtomisWave and PS2 you can hop into your enemy (stocks are gauges permitting) pull off a couple of light attacks before using a special, before cancelling the special into a desperation, before "dream" cancelling this into a super desperation move if you are good enough with your fingers. Surely Pikachu and Mario throwing fireballs and electrobolts at each other cannot compare?

In all seriousness, there is a lot to Smash Bros, but its like a different type of fighting game than the technical fighters that I've described. You could argue that Smash Bros. games are more "pure", more organic video game combat experiences with a more practical gameplay system. They are no better or worst than other fighters but are more accessible and less convoluted than those outlined above. Perhaps comparing them to VF and KoF is like comparing Super Mario Kart to Forza Motorsport? Both game series can be played at a high level, both are roughly in the same genre, but one is more complex than the other. Doesn't make one better than the other though, just different.