council filling at pumps.

cena

Was a garage earlier today when I saw a council worker pull over too the agri pump and started too fill the van. I thought it was against the law too do that or is the council excused from this law.

MugMugs

cena wrote: »

Was a garage earlier today when I saw a council worker pull over too the agri pump and started too fill the van. I thought it was against the law too do that or is the council excused from this law.

Not excused.

Were they filling their tank for the Van or was there something else on the van ? Like a refrigeration unit ? Or were they filling up a tank for a forklift or something back at base ?

cena

it was the van he was filling up.

BronsonTB

Yes it's against the law to use it in non agricultural vehicles but NOT illegal for the garage to sell it to you. Because farmers have to buy the stuff somewhere!!

In case you didn't notice, lots of people do this. That's why revenue have random check points to check for it.

it's just like every other law in this country...Will always be somebody breaking them somewhere. In this case you just happen to see a council worker doing it....Maybe he forgot it wasn't his own tractor & did it out of habbit.

MugMugs

BronsonTB wrote: »

Yes it's against the law to use it in non agricultural vehicles but NOT illegal for the garage to sell it to you. Because farmers have to buy the stuff somewhere!!

In case you didn't notice, lots of people do this. That's why revenue have random check points to check for it.

it's just like every other law in this country...Will always be somebody breaking them somewhere. In this case you just happen to see a council worker doing it....Maybe he forgot it wasn't his own tractor & did it out of habbit.

For what gain ? He has a fuel card.

wobbles

Would there be a second fuel tank built into the council van somewhere. Surely with health and safty as it is these days, they might have a second tank for transporting fuel to a tractor/JCB somewhere

Gophur

In this case, while technically illegal, it's one branch of the State v another. There's no loss of revenue to the State.

Revenue did an audit of Dublin Airport a while back and levied very stiff penalties on Aer Lingus, Ryanair and the airline handling companies who were using agri-diesel in the vehicles on the aprons. Vehicles that would never see a Public road but who now have to use the clear diesel. For a long time Aer Lingus wouldn't even register the vehicles involved.

challengemaster

MugMugs wrote: »

For what gain ? He has a fuel card.

Could fill the van with agri, pay it himself and then use the fuel card to fill his own car? No idea here but I'm just trying to find some explanation too..

MugMugs

Gophur wrote: »

In this case, while technically illegal, it's one branch of the State v another. There's no loss of revenue to the State.

Revenue did an audit of Dublin Airport a while back and levied very stiff penalties on Aer Lingus, Ryanair and the airline handling companies who were using agri-diesel in the vehicles on the aprons. Vehicles that would never see a Public road but who now have to use the clear diesel. For a long time Aer Lingus wouldn't even register the vehicles involved.

Like the rest of the Service industry out there. Spent many a year in an untaxed Transit banging about the Airport running on green. Airport Aprons are funny spots for legal definitions and require RTA + some under a Bye Law. What grounds did revenue have to hammer Tugs / Steps etc that will never meet a public road ?

MugMugs

challengemaster wrote: »

Could fill the van with agri, pay it himself and then use the fuel card to fill his own car? No idea here but I'm just trying to find some explanation too..

Perhaps.

I wouldnt be suprised if there was a Twin skinned tank in that van to act as a surogate for a JCB or Forklift personally.

Speculative opinion but seems most logical.

Stinicker

As a council worker nothing would probably happen to him, an uncle of mine worked with the Customs before he retired and he told me that it was procedure to never dip other state vehicles, Guards, Councils, ESB, Telecom Eireann etc.

This council worker is most likely siphoning out the white diesel from his council vehicle and using it in his private car and burning the green in the council van, he knows he won't be dipped and it will never be found out and even if it was he will not loose his job because that is the sort of corrupt cronyism that exists in councils.

Gophur

Stinicker wrote: »

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This council worker is most likely siphoning out the white diesel from his council vehicle and using it in his private car and burning the green in the council van, he knows he won't be dipped and it will never be found out and even if it was he will not loose his job because that is the sort of corrupt cronyism that exists in councils.

That is a very serious allegation to make!

Mr Benevolent

Gophur wrote: »

That is a very serious allegation to make!

It's true though.

It BeeMee

Stinicker wrote: »

This council worker is most likely siphoning out the white diesel from his council vehicle and using it in his private car and burning the green in the council van, he knows he won't be dipped and it will never be found out and even if it was he will not loose his job because that is the sort of corrupt cronyism that exists in councils.

But he could only do this once. Once dyed diesel has been in the tank of the van there would be a trace for a long time no matter how low he runs it before refilling?

Stinicker

It BeeMee wrote: »

But he could only do this once. Once dyed diesel has been in the tank of the van there would be a trace for a long time no matter how low he runs it before refilling?

A council truck if it was this as observed by the OP would hold maybe two hundred litres and that much would do a diesel car for anything up to 4 ot 6 weeks wheras the council lorry would have burned several tanks of fuel in the same timeframe and most likely the same fella would be running it on fumes to burn out the green so as to start another siphon out, plus with such a large tank the White would probably dilute it out quicker than if it was a car.

If the customs dip a car and find white clear road diesel they will most likely not test the fuel chemically unless they are suspicious of laundered diesel in which case the majority of drivers may be unwittingly driving laundered fuel. It is even rarer that they dip female drivers and they target commercial vehicles, taxis, suvs and diesel cars which are typically heavy on Diesel.