What ring shop can you trust?

richiecs3

Hi all, was wondering can any one help me. I got an engagement ring in Chicago. When I brought it back I wanted to get it insured but I had to get it valued, so I went to one of the top shops in Dublin. When I gave them the ring they looked at it and asked me what I paid for it I told them $8900 dollars. She looked at the ring and I gave her the cert and the lady told me she sold a ring THAT day for far more that what I paid for mine. So I thought all good but when I went back the following day they told me it was not worth as much as they said the day before. I said how can that be, they said they don't rate the diamonds that come from the USA. Once there rate from EGL USA, the ring is 1.32 CARTS, with S12, clarity colour is H and it has 8 small diamonds as well, with the told carts of them is .35 and it is a round brilliant cut.

So as you can think I was not impressed that they gave me the price tag of €6250 which is just about the same price as what I paid for the ring. But my wife to be didn't know how much I paid for it. I got it without her knowing and she only loves the ring and thinks there is nothing better. Everyone that saw the ring thinks its beautiful, so I didn't really mind what they put on the value. But a few days later while she was in the gym she hit her hand off something and the diamond came a little lose. I brought it to a different Dublin city jeweller, they took the ring in and I told them would they give me a ball park idea how much they ring was cause I need to get it insured, and that I bought it a few years ago and wanted to put it on the house insurance. They said ok leave it with us.

The following day I got a call saying that they looked at the ring and asking how long I had it, since I told them a few years. They asked had I ever gotten it cleaned or polished. I said never, they said it was in bad shape and it really need it badly. They said they would give me a cert, polish the ring and fix the stone in for €90. A week or so later I went to get the ring, (take in to account that the ring had been made for me on the 29/8/2011 and I left the ring in to the Dublin jeweller on 15/9/2011 so the ring is 17 days old and the first Dublin jeweller had the ring the week before and said nothing of this matter they had the ring for 2 of those days) can any one tell me why a so called high class jewellers would tell me such a thing.

I have certs from the jewellers where I got it originally and the 2 Dublin jewellers. All I want to know is there any jeweller in Dublin that can price a ring for its true value. Plus I would like to add that the last jeweller did say that they would have to take the stone to fix the ring since it was loose. So if they had the stone out I think they would able to get true weight of the the stone since I saw the stone and I picked that stone before it went on to the ring and the true weight of the stone is 1.32 carts not as they listed 1.62 carts and its H colour and not J as they list. When I went back and asked them, they said in there opinion the stone is a J and that they don't take the EGL Cert from the USA because the certs are always wrong.

I have called the jewellers in Chicago and told them. They said when I'm back in Chicago to get the ring priced and bring it to there shop and if it is less than what I paid they would give me 3 times the money back and take the ring back. I should have said that this jewellers is run by family friends and they have been used by my family for nearly 30 years, if not more. They know most of the family by name, kids and grandkids. Can anyone point me to where can I go in Ireland to have the true value of the ring and is there any one that can look at a ring and value it in front of you.

By the way will be asking the second Dublin jewellers why they lied about the ring in the coming days. Would like to say as well the ring is 18k white gold and I never bought any thing in the USA that worked out cheaper here than there.

D3PO

Seriously have you ever heard of sentance structure ?

Firstly why did you say you had the ring a few years when you didnt ? There is no logic behind it and why didnt you pull them up on it when they said it needed cleaning.

As for pricing the ring at its "true value" The value is the value if they tell you its worth X then thats what its worth.

If your not happy with the valuation then go get a second opinion by going elsewhere.

littleredspot

My eyes and brain hurt.

Moonbeam

I find your post hard to read and don't understand your dates as they look to be like 2012?
Are you disappointed it is not worth way more in Ireland?
I suggest you go in to Applebys as they are very well known and trusted.

tinkerbell

OP, I stopped reading your post about a quarter of the way through as it is absolutely impossible to read. If you expect people to help you, then you should write up your post properly so that people can understand it. There also seems to be unnecessary and irrelevant info in there too - cut your post down into bullet points or something.

guideanna

also tried reading post and got lost somewhere in the middle, suggest you do some editing, tidy it up, and then people might be more willing to read and answer you.

GoldenTickets

Sorry bud, I've never read Finnegan's Wake so I can't help you. Maybe try the Literature forum?

iguana

richiecs3, first off don't spam the board with the same post, it's against the rules. I've removed all of your other posts but am leaving this one up. Keep your query on this issue to this thread in future.

Secondly, I have edited your post in an attempt to make it legible. In future make sure your posts are comprised of proper sentences, correct punctuation and NO TEXT SPEAK. Make paragraphs and leave a line space between each one. This is because writing as you did makes you post close to illegible to other users, as you can see from the responses. I'm not 100% sure I have edited your sentences in a way that say what you intended as many of your sentences were close to incomprehensible. You can edit it yourself to correct anything I got wrong.

Lastly, I removed all references to the stores you mentioned as they qualified as "review" and posters must have a minimum of 20 posts or 2 months membership of boards before posting reviews on this forum.

Please familiarise yourself with the charter before posting again. http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2054954597

richiecs3

POST REMOVED DUE TO REPEATED MENTION OF WHO THE JEWELLERS WERE DESPITE BEING WARNED THAT WAS A CHARTER BREACH.

littleredspot

Without knowing too much about diamonds, it seems that both valuations are very similar and clearly your ring is worth more in Ireland than you paid for it. So I'm wondering why you would make such a fuss. Also one of the shops was clearly in error as to the age of your ring, so why would you put any further value in anything else they had to say?

A quick google will tell you that all certs are just opinions and that GIA are the most trusted, so you can see where the shops are coming from.

Personally I've always found the supposed value of engagement rings to be odd. You could save a fortune by simply buying a second hand one, therefore you have to question the true "value"

D3PO

Sounds to me your just pissed off you didnt get the "great deal" you thought you did.

2 shops have basically valued it the same or similar price. Ergo that is what its worth. Its the same with any kind of valuaiton.

Get two estate agents in to value your house your likely to find the valuations similar but not the same. Doesnt mean you cant trust either of them.

They are still valuing your ring at almost $8,500 which is significantly more than you paid for it. I dont get your problem at all.

lazygal

A ring is only worth what someone else will pay for it.


Some so-called bargain stones are in fact filled diamonds i.e. the flaws are filled in to improve the look of the stone.


You're just angry you didn't get a bargain like you thought. What does it matter what price is put on it, bar an estimate for insurance purposes? When we got my ring we got a cert with a value, told the insurance company and went on our way. My ring never leaves my finger so the chances of it being stolen are minimal. If i need it repaired/cleaned/redipped there are plenty of good jewelers to do it, like Weirs (where we got both my rings).

I think this value issue is consuming far too much of your time and energy. Just let your partner enjoy the ring and let it go OP!

richiecs3

POST REMOVED DUE TO REPEATED MENTION OF WHO THE JEWELLERS WERE DESPITE BEING WARNED THAT WAS A CHARTER BREACH.

This is a final warning, read the charter and pay attention to what I have written in post 8 of this thread or I will have no choice but to ban you. - Iguana

littleredspot

Unfollow thread.....

richiecs3

richiecs3 wrote: »

POST REMOVED DUE TO REPEATED MENTION OF WHO THE JEWELLERS WERE DESPITE BEING WARNED THAT WAS A CHARTER BREACH.

This is a final warning, read the charter and pay attention to what I have written in post 8 of this thread or I will have no choice but to ban you. - Iguana

i only wrote where i got the ring is that not allowed as well

iguana

richiecs3 wrote: »

i only wrote where i got the ring is that not allowed as well

No, it isn't for new members as we get too much spam on this board. Once a poster is clearly a member of the community then they can discuss their experiences with companies. It's all laid out in the charter for this forum.

moco

When we got my ring in the US, we were told that an EGL certified diamond of a D colour would only be certified as an F or so by the GIA. We were choosing between 2 diamonds and one was a D by EGL and the other was an E by GIA for $1000 more.

The GIA has a much stricter certification process, so although your diamond may be of a certain grade with EGL, when you bring it back to Dublin they will be marking it against GIA standards and it will be lower.

We got a GIA E diamond, for $1000 more, rather than get a EGL D with a cert that means little over here.

richiecs3

moco wrote: »

When we got my ring in the US, we were told that an EGL certified diamond of a D colour would only be certified as an F or so by the GIA. We were choosing between 2 diamonds and one was a D by EGL and the other was an E by GIA for $1000 more.

The GIA has a much stricter certification process, so although your diamond may be of a certain grade with EGL, when you bring it back to Dublin they will be marking it against GIA standards and it will be lower.

We got a GIA E diamond, for $1000 more, rather than get a EGL D with a cert that means little over here.

hi moco
when you brought your ring back to Ireland.. how did you find they valued it.. i tried to get a ring that was near enough to what it looked like and value couldnt come near here... many thanks for your reply

moco

richiecs3 wrote: »

hi moco
when you brought your ring back to Ireland.. how did you find they valued it.. i tried to get a ring that was near enough to what it looked like and value couldnt come near here... many thanks for your reply

I didn't get it valued when I came back here. I know I can trust the certificate, and based on what a diamond and setting like that would cost here I know we got an excellent deal.

I don't really care how much it would be valued for here to be honest. I love my ring and I'll never be selling it, plus I have the reciept for insurance purposes.

Plek Trum

richiecs3 wrote: »

hi moco
when you brought your ring back to Ireland.. how did you find they valued it.. i tried to get a ring that was near enough to what it looked like and value couldnt come near here... many thanks for your reply

As you are probably learning there's a heck of a lot more to diamond rings than just 'look' :rolleyes: Why the issue? You like the ring, were happy to pay for it and don't have any intention of selling it. The difference in valuation of diamonds is correct as another poster has stated to you.

Why not ask the jewellers in Chicago to send you a copy of the receipt and cert for your insurance here? I dont see what the issue is otherwise...