New entrants to public sector

bojangled

Hi Guys, this may have been done before but i want to throw it out there for piece of mind.

Question is : if you have 15 years continued service in a public service body and are moving to another department in the civil service this year are you deemed to be a new entrant and are you subject to the 10% pay cuts .

I dont consider myself as a new entrant but have been told that i am and just wondering whats going on ?

any comments or suggestions ?

i am considering not taking it now because of this...

TouchingVirus

A public service body as in another department? So like working for Revenue for 15 years and moving to Justice for example? If so, you're not a new entrant. A new entrant is somebody appointed who isn't previously a civil servant. Think about the uproar that would be caused by inter-departmental promotions of staff who joined prior to 1995 if they were forced to become new entrants - new job terms, new pension terms and a 10% pay cut - not happening

bojangled

Thanks for that , i am moving from the army as such to civil service, although two different departments i am still a public servant ? and cannot be deemed a new entrant , would that be right ?

Delancey

bojangled wrote: »

Thanks for that , i am moving from the army as such to civil service, although two different departments i am still a public servant ? and cannot be deemed a new entrant , would that be right ?

Ah , my understanding is that what touching virus has said is essentially correct but the bad news is that you WILL be a new entrant , yes you are a public servant but not yet a civil servant - a subtle but important difference.
A uniformed member of the Permanent Defence Forces is not a civil servant.
If you worked currently as a Civil Servant in say the Dept of Education and you were moving to the Dept of Defence ( for example ) then the pay cut would not apply but my understanding is that as a new civil servant the cut will apply.

Sorry if thats not the answer you were hoping for.

Best advice I can offer is to get a definitive ' ruling ' from the Dept you are moving to in writing.

bojangled

Thanks delancey, yea thats fine just as long as pension can be carried and thats not affected in any way , i will make a few calls on it.......

thanks for your input , greatly appreciated.....

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TouchingVirus

bojangled wrote: »

Thanks delancey, yea thats fine just as long as pension can be carried and thats not affected in any way , i will make a few calls on it.......

thanks for your input , greatly appreciated.....

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Delancey is correct. You will be counted as a new entrant to the civil service. You are able to carry over your pension from your army job to your new position as a civil servant without question, I know people who have done this

debs2014

Hi Guys,

I have a similar query about new entrants to the public sector. I worked in the civil service from 2008 to 2013. In 2013 I applied for a job in the public sector, which I got and have recently started in.The HR department in the public sector organisation I have started in have applied the reduced pay rate to me, as they say I am a new entrant. I would have thought that I was not a new entrant as I moved straight from civil service to public service? There was no break in service. But maybe because it is not civil service, I am classed as a new entrant in the public service? I have asked my new HR department to clarify the situation with DPER but they are being very slow coming back with a definitive answer. I was an EO in the civil service and I have moved to the equivalent of an AO in the public service. Because I had a couple of years of increments at the EO level, this means I have taken a salary cut when I switched organisations. I'm happy to take the cut if I have too as much happier with the new position, but I didn't think I would be classified as a new entrant.
Anyone with a similar experience or any guidance?

Thanks in advance!

eclectichoney

Hi Debs

I recently moved between public service organisations (no break) to positions with the exact same title, and was told I would have to lose my increments etc. and start back at the start of the relevant scale at the new entrant level. When I queried and appealed it they said it was D/Finance guidelines and nothing could be done so I either had to accept it or turn down the job.

Glinda

Debs 2014, eclectichoney, Did you transfer? If so then you are certainly not a new entrant. If you resigned from your previous position (i.e. permanently left the civil service) then you may well be a new entrant.