motorbike on full car licence?

superstoner90

i heard to day from a chap that you are permited to drive a 50cc - 125cc motor bike with your full car licence , just wondering if its true

edit:stoned up grammer

Killgore Trout

Not true.

In the past if you have held a driving licence for category B, C, C1, D, D1, EB, EC, EC1, ED or ED1 since before 21 October 2006, it is also regarded as a licence for category M. M class is <50cc <50KMh.

Here are the facts on getting a motorcycle licence now:

http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/travel_and_recreation/motoring_1/driver_licensing/learner_driving_permits_for_motorcycles_in_ireland.html

Stark

Need to make sure the M is actually on your license as well. They stopped adding it automatically a few years ago. (Mine just has B and W on it).

barura

You can drive trikes on a full car licence with no bike licence. The Piaggio Mp3 for example comes to mind.

superstoner90

barura wrote: »

You can drive trikes on a full car licence with
no bike licence. The Piaggio Mp3 for example comes to mind.

so if i got a kawasaki ninja and put stableisers i would be sorted

MugMugs

Killgore Trout wrote: »

Not true.

In the past if you have held a driving licence for category B, C, C1, D, D1, EB, EC, EC1, ED or ED1 since before 21 October 2006, it is also regarded as a licence for category M. M class is <50cc <50KMh.

I assume you retain the right operate B, M, W cats on your pre 06 licence ?

superstoner90

ok cheers everyone

mickdw

I dont know anything about bikes but it looks pretty serious now to get a bike licence.

Have I got this right -

Theory test for bike regardless of other licence held
Apply for learner permit
Do 16 hours training before being allowed on the road unsupervised
Do test for full licence.

Odysseus

mickdw wrote: »

I dont know anything about bikes but it looks pretty serious now to get a bike licence.

Have I got this right -

Theory test for bike regardless of other licence held
Apply for learner permit
Do 16 hours training before being allowed on the road unsupervised
Do test for full licence.

That's about it, not to forget the 33bhp restriction which is there for two years after you pass your test. There is plenty of info over in the bike forum if your interested.

mickdw

Had a little interest as I fell across some bike ads on donedeal. The bikes are great value but wont bother given all the hassle to get on the road. Im not saying its a bad thing to have some training before being let loose with a bike but it would be fairly time consuming.

Odysseus

mickdw wrote: »

Had a little interest as I fell across some bike ads on donedeal. The bikes are great value but wont bother given all the hassle to get on the road. Im not saying its a bad thing to have some training before being let loose with a bike but it would be fairly time consuming.

You would be amazed at the amount of people who buy bikes without checking what training is needed. It has always been harder to get a bike that a car, I have a few medium sized bikes 400-650cc, but it had been on my mind to go back to my youth and pick up a nice Vespa for the past few years. You pass you car test and you can go out and get a top of the range high powered car the next day, if you can afford it. With a bike you are restricted to 33bhp for the first two years after you test.

Anyway my brother had the same idea and went out and brought a Vespa 200cc only to discover his licence only covered him for up to a 125cc. I took it off him as he then picked up a legal 125cc, so we are both happy. He now has a vespa he is happy with and I have a project to work on over the coming years.

It's a difficult one in that contrary to what a lot of people think you cannot just throw your leg over a bike a ride off into the sunset. Training is a serious issue and is badly needed, however, I know a number of people who where considering getting a bike who where put off by the amount of hoops they are required to jump through.

mickdw

Are all 125cc bikes allowed in the first 2 years. Also, how much would the 16 hours training cost?

oleras

mickdw wrote: »

Are all 125cc bikes allowed in the first 2 years. Also, how much would the 16 hours training cost?

The 125cc or 11KW restriction is only relevant from 16 to 18yrs A1 Learners permit.

From 18 you can apply for an A learner permit, > 150cc, <25KW and <33bhp, you can also just apply for the A1, but not worth it imo.

IBT, the 16 hour training costs from 280-600, shop around.

mickdw

oleras wrote: »

mickdw wrote: »

Are all 125cc bikes allowed in the first 2 years. Also, how much would the 16 hours training cost?

The 125cc or 11KW restriction is only relevant from 16 to 18yrs A1 Learners permit.

From 18 you can apply for an A learner permit, > 150cc, <25KW and <33bhp, you can also just apply for the A1, but not worth it imo.

IBT, the 16 hour training costs from 280-600, shop around.

Finally, I presume I need my own bike for the training. Am I allowed ride the bike to the training?

colm_c

mickdw wrote: »

Finally, I presume I need my own bike for the training. Am I allowed ride the bike to the training?

No.

You can't get a permit without IBT, so you can't ride or get insurance on anything without a permit.

Most test places will include renting a bike as part of the lessons.

IMO you would be mad to buy a bike without having had lessons first.