Are we keeping poland.....

risteard7

With 9 billion irish money lodged into polish banks between 2009 and 2010
are we helping to keep them afloat to?There is 20 + million been sent there weekly and not counting childrens allowence for kids that dont live here anymore.childrens allowencehere is 130 per child in poland its 15 euro!

murphaph

risteard7 wrote: »

With 9 billion irish money lodged into polish banks between 2009 and 2010
are we helping to keep them afloat to?There is 20 + million been sent there weekly and not counting childrens allowence for kids that dont live here anymore.childrens allowencehere is 130 per child in poland its 13 euro!

How much of the 9 billion of "Irish money" :rolleyes: was lodged by Irish buy to let speculators I wonder? Should we help the Poles out who can't afford to buy their own place due to the huge numbers of Irish people who bought properties there? Load of nonsense.

The children's allowance thing should be tackled but in a way that prevents it being used and abused by Irish scroungers too. To be quite frank, the Poles came to Ireland to work and work hard and by and large they certainly did that (and continue to do so). Poles are like the Irish (used to be)...go to a place and graft and sometimes send a few quid home. Should the Irish emigrants to the US down the years have been prevented from sending a few bucks home too?

risteard7

The facts are there and it does not make sense or seem fair.

Mena

risteard7 wrote: »

The facts are there and it does not make sense or seem fair.

I'm curious about where your figures come from. Were these published somewhere, because 9 billion in one year by one small demographic has me with a raised eyebrow.

m.j.w

alot of that money was probably sent home by polish working here in ireland,once they work whats the problem. same as the irish going to austrilia

risteard7

9 billion 2 years 09 + 2010

D1stant

risteard7 wrote: »

With 9 billion irish money lodged into polish banks between 2009 and 2010
are we helping to keep them afloat to?There is 20 + million been sent there weekly and not counting childrens allowence for kids that dont live here anymore.childrens allowencehere is 130 per child in poland its 15 euro!

Madness. How many swans have they smuggled back?

Icepick

What is 'Irish money'?

You make it sound like the Irish gvt sent 9 billion to Poland as a gift.

As for the children allowance, it's only paid to tax payers. Those children would cost the state much more if they were in Ireland.
Also, every EU state has this responsibility, and it costs Ireland about 50 million per year in total.

risteard7

m.j.w wrote: »

alot of that money was probably sent home by polish working here in ireland,once they work whats the problem. same as the irish going to austrilia

I dont know of any irish people in australia sending money home.With the poles its take as much as possible out and contribute as little as possible.

risteard7

Icepick wrote: »

Weak troll attempt, OP.
What is 'Irish money'?
You make it sound like the Irish gvt sent 9 billion to Poland as a gift.

Ok lets call it imf money but the fact of the matter is the irish taxpayer
has to pay it back to the eu not the polish taxpayer

Icepick

risteard7 wrote: »

Ok lets call it imf money but the fact of the matter is the irish taxpayer
has to pay it back to the eu not the polish taxpayer

WTF are you talking about.

Cookie_Monster

source for any of this or is it just wild speculation?

Mena

risteard7 wrote: »

9 billion 2 years 09 + 2010

Same difference. Quote your sources please otherwise we're all just wasting our time here.

murphaph

risteard7 wrote: »

I dont know of any irish people in australia sending money home.With the poles its take as much as possible out and contribute as little as possible.

Lol, we are world renowned for sending money back to the old country.

The poles I know contribute income tax, PRSI on their wages, rent paid to (mostly) Irish landlords and pleeeeenty of excise duty on alcohol I also know Poles who drive (shock horror!) Irish registered cars and buy their petrol in IRELAND.

At the end of the day I'd prefer 100 Polish WORKERS over 1 Irish scrounger.

Woo! Go thinly veiled racism!

risteard7

Icepick wrote: »

WTF are you talking about.

Are you dumb?Its money that has been wired to polish banks from irish banks on a weekly basis

Icepick

murphaph wrote: »

At the end of the day I'd prefer 100 Polish WORKERS over 1 Irish scrounger.

Shouldn't the numbers be the other way around?

Icepick

risteard7 wrote: »

Are you dumb?Its money that has been wired to polish banks from irish banks on a weekly basis

So? Was it stolen?

M5

Stats don't add up. There were 200,000 poles in Ireland at the peak. But just for the sake of it divide 9 billion by 200k. Seems the poles earn huge money if they are able to send 45k each home per year. So the average pole earns min 65k?

Statisctics pulled from your arse i think

neilster

risteard7 wrote: »

With 9 billion irish money lodged into polish banks between 2009 and 2010
are we helping to keep them afloat to?There is 20 + million been sent there weekly and not counting childrens allowence for kids that dont live here anymore.childrens allowencehere is 130 per child in poland its 15 euro!

The Childrens allowance issue is European Law, we also pay a lot of childrens allowance to UK citizens , they may not have the same age demographic as Polish people who are here and hence not as much childrens allowance but the figure would be significant

Our Non-national figure for the UK as citizens is the highest non-national figure in the Republic but we dont hear about that at all cos there is no real prejudice to their citizens

They have lower childrens allowance in the UK significantly. we need to look at how we spend money , the levels of allowance and also means test it

I have a sibling who owns 3 seperate businesses and drives an X5 but collects 3 childrens allowances ....try talking about that ...now that is wrong

mikemac

AIB owned a Polish bank

OP, are you getting mixed up here somewhere?
Maybe it was AIB who transferred the money, not Polish workers

jimmycrackcorm

In my previous job half my team were polish and I have nothing but the the highest respect for them. They are uncannily like the Irish in so many ways, from their drinking habits to their willingness to leave their family behind to provide a better life.

So if we are keeping Poland Alive, then it's because we were first in the chain in that the US is keeping us alive.

femur61

Mena wrote: »

Same difference. Quote your sources please otherwise we're all just wasting our time here.

Sorry I don't have a quote either, but my husband said this to me the other day so must have been on the radio. The money is going full circle, its EU money anyway. A friend who works in Western Union said the amount of money being sent to foreign countries is unbelievable.

M5

femur61 wrote: »

Sorry I don't have a quote either, but my husband said this to me the other day so must have been on the radio. The money is going full circle, its EU money anyway. A friend who works in Western Union said the amount of money being sent to foreign countries is unbelievable.

Op do you have two boards accounts?

-Chris-

Deleted User wrote: »

Woo! Go thinly veiled racism!

Thinly veiled?

risteard7 wrote: »

With the poles its take as much as possible out and contribute as little as possible.

I call that full-on xenophobia!

risteard7 wrote: »

Are you dumb?Its money that has been wired to polish banks from irish banks on a weekly basis

If we accept your figures, and the fact that it's "Irish money" being wired from Irish banks to Polish banks on a weekly basis, could you detail the source of this money?

If it's as much as you say, it can't all be from Social Welfare payments. Is it possible the money was received in exchange for labour, time or expertise supplied by the Polish person to a business in Ireland?

neilster

M5 wrote: »

Stats don't add up. There were 200,000 poles in Ireland at the peak. But just for the sake of it divide 9 billion by 200k. Seems the poles earn huge money if they are able to send 45k each home per year. So the average pole earns min 65k?

Statisctics pulled from your arse i think

concur with this , i am reasonably sure ( i am accepting of correction) that the figure for repatriation of polish monies to Poland is around €750m, again i dont know is this an annual figure , it would seem so , this is under €5,000 annually for 200,000. Now that the figure of Polish is Ireland is way under 200,000 with people having gone home i think i saw 130,000, it would put this figure at circa €7,000 annually which sounds right

As for €9bn, we are trying to take figures like that out of our spending which is for 4m people across very expensive services , the figures you provide are pie in the sky

but i ask the question would you keep significant monies in our banks? i have some in an Ulster a/c along with my wife but the main sum is in an account on Continental Europe

The vast majority of this income is fairly earned just like relations of us all in Cricklewood, Perth or Boston and its being repatriated . If our welfare system is overly generous and something we cant afford thats our fault and we seem to be righting that slowly

sarumite

risteard7 wrote: »

Ok lets call it imf money but the fact of the matter is the irish taxpayer
has to pay it back to the eu not the polish taxpayer

I will probably have to leave Ireland permenantly soon enough. I will be withdrawing my savings and taking them to which ever country I move to. Its not Irish money, its not tax payers money, its sure as hell not IMF money, its my money. I worked hard for it and I will do whatever the hell I like with it. If I decide to send money back to my parents when I move (which I most certainly will since they have helped me out financially for sometime now), then that is what I will do. If some random person on a boardes.de or boards.au starts complaining that I am sending money back to Ireland, thats their problem cause I won't give a damn.

femur61

M5 wrote: »

Op do you have two boards accounts?

What do you mean do I have two board accounts?

Boskowski

femur61 wrote: »

What do you mean do I have two board accounts?

Now thats funny

Boskowski

risteard7 wrote: »

I dont know of any irish people in australia sending money home.With the poles its take as much as possible out and contribute as little as possible.

This is not.

paul71

risteard7 wrote: »

Are you dumb?Its money that has been wired to polish banks from irish banks on a weekly basis

Any source for your figures?

Thud

maybe they should spend it on new cars and property here.....oh no, wait that's what caused the problem in the first place, crazy Polish people saving money, what were they thinking?

Musiconomist

People love to point the finger when things go wrong, at immigrants more often than not. Really, though, the recession is our own fault. Our own government, which we elected and are responsible for, and our banks which were not regulated properly by the government we elected. Democracy works both ways.

If you think Polish people (just Polish people, I might add) are the cause of Ireland's misfortunes, you need to take a good look at yourself.

Dr Galen

OP

Either we see some stats or links to back up your assertions, or this thread is gong to be closed.

Cheers

DrG

femur61

Boskowski wrote: »

Now thats funny

Still don't understand, obviously some do because there are two likes against your post.

paul71

femur61 wrote: »

Still don't understand, obviously some do because there are two likes against your post.

You replied to a question asked of the op who has a different user name, thanked every post made by the op, leading most people to believe (fairly) that you and the op are one and the same.

Scofflaw

Also, enough with the handbags already.

moderately,
Scofflaw

risteard7

I Dont know who femur 16 is i have recently just joined boards.I admit i have made a mistake the figure is nearly 1 billion in 09 not sure about 2010.I apologise for wasting everyones time

Dr Galen

And again......where are your figures coming from?

Fair enough, you made a mistake the first time, takes a big man round these here parts to admit that, but we still need to see some backup for your new figure if this is to be taken seriously as a thread

Cheers

DrG

Cork boy 55

POLES WORKING in Ireland sent home almost €1 billion last year, which amounts to a fifth of all global transfers of cash back to Poland from overseas workers.
About €841 million in wages earned by Polish long-term and temporary employees in Ireland was sent back in savings or payments to support relatives. This amounts to €4,205 each for the estimated 200,000 Poles who live in the Republic.



http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2010/1026/1224282006224.html

Mena

Cork boy 55 wrote: »

POLES WORKING in Ireland sent home almost €1 billion last year, which amounts to a fifth of all global transfers of cash back to Poland from overseas workers.
About €841 million in wages earned by Polish long-term and temporary employees in Ireland was sent back in savings or payments to support relatives. This amounts to €4,205 each for the estimated 200,000 Poles who live in the Republic.



http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2010/1026/1224282006224.html

Ok, so we have some figures. Now the question:

So what? It's their money.

Cork boy 55

stats are from National Bank of Poland, ireland accounts for one fifth of all monies sent back by workers to poland

TOTAL 2004 - 2009 €4.7 billion

2004 €148.1 million
2008 €1.3 billion
2009 €841 million



http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2010/1026/1224282006224.html

tallaghtmick

risteard7 wrote: »

I Dont know who femur 16 is i have recently just joined boards.I admit i have made a mistake the figure is nearly 1 billion in 09 not sure about 2010.I apologise for wasting everyones time

I think you made a mistake with your username too op,you added the ris for some reason too

Cork boy 55

Mena wrote: »

Ok, so we have some figures. Now the question:

So what? It's their money.

Yes you are correct it's their money


1) It gives information for debate on wheter it was a good idea(BIFFO call :rolleyes:) to give full labour market access to accession countries in 2004 and gives information for future debates on immigration rules, Bear in mind these are just the polish figures

2) it gives information to any debate on how good the EU has or has not been for Ireland these figures should be part of debate along with CAp and fishing rigths and all that.

3) It raises the question of how we could reduce this amount leaving your
country.

not yet

Any figures on transactions in the other direction

paul71

not yet wrote: »

Any figures on transactions in the other direction

No, not in that article, but it would be interesting to know how much the 1 million people born in the Republic living in Great Britain send back here.

-Chris-

So the entire thread is based on misinformation, and the article that does state a figure says the money sent is the result of working and saving rather than our "generous" child benefit.

/thread :rolleyes:

Scofflaw

-Chris- wrote: »

So the entire thread is based on misinformation, and the article that does state a figure says the money sent is the result of working and saving rather than our "generous" child benefit.

/thread :rolleyes:

On balance, I have to agree. It took three pages before any figures were provided, they weren't provided by the OP, and the OP's claim turns out to be ludicrously wrong.

People are welcome to start another thread using real figures, but I think we've had enough of these kind of utterly uninformed "someone told me" threads on the forum recently.

moderately,
Scofflaw