Web dev prices

komodosp

Hi folks

Just about to get a web dev job (once-off)

It's a fairly basic informational site containing about 60 pages and I'll be just doing the dev, not the graphical design. (They have a graphic designer who will lay it all out)

I am just wondering what's a good price? I've a feeling the budget will be tight but I don't want to sell myself short. OTOH, I can't afford not to do it!

yop

komodosp wrote: »

Hi folks

Just about to get a web dev job (once-off)

It's a fairly basic informational site containing about 60 pages and I'll be just doing the dev, not the graphical design. (They have a graphic designer who will lay it all out)

I am just wondering what's a good price? I've a feeling the budget will be tight but I don't want to sell myself short. OTOH, I can't afford not to do it!

Hi are you asking how much for the design of the 60 pages?

komodosp

No, they are doing the design, I'll be doing the development, I'm asking how much should I charge

yop

When you are saying "dev" work, are you doing the code-behind the pages and the database work and links to the database.
Are you doing any of the testing and documentation?

Outside of the testing maybe mark down 3 days per screen if each one is different, they probably aren't, add in maybe 10 days for testing.
Then charge at your day rate + 10% for PM and MISC.

But its hard to quantify without knowing all the details.

Sorry might not be much help.

srsly78

OP as much as you can get obviously. Either that or work for free.

Hilariously: if you give a cheap quote a lot of places won't take you seriously

komodosp

Yeah as much as I can get I know! I will be doing everything technical - coding, testing, documentation, initial data population. Technical design if any. I would say I'll even be training the customer on use of the CMS.

Just not the visual design. They will be doing that... They are a web design company but haven't got a programmer... So I need to judge how much they are getting for the website and then I'll be getting a cut of that...

As I said basic pages, not too much testing will be required (just making sure it looks fine on a variety of browsers) - with perhaps a few JQuery effects here and there... Not really complicated functionality like e-commerce or membership or anything - so I would say each screen would take a lot less than 3 days to do - less than 1 day even. Unless you mean each page type...

The problem is I don't know what my daily rate is! What's normal these days? If I knew that I'd just work out how long I thought it would take...

Trojan

I think by "screens" yop is referring to each different template or "page type" as you called it.

Are you coding 60 different pages from scratch? Or are there a small number of different templates that you can plug the content into?

Or are you installing an off the shelf CMS like WordPress/Joomla/etc and putting the content in there?

As for hourly rate, I've seen quotes from €50/hour to €200/hour. You don't sound experienced (or at least your posts belie your experience) so I'd be looking at the lower end of that spectrum.

komodosp

No it will be a small number of templates, but it will be in a CMS but obviously fairly customised according to the specified design.

I quoted nowhere near the €50/hour I have to admit... I used to work for this company so I basically quoted at what my salary was, divided up daily, and even that drew a look of dismay from the guy.

The other thing is he may have more work for me in the future so I don't want to totally put him off...

srsly78

When converting salary to contract rate you don't just divide salary by days worked. You must take into account employers prsi, sick leave, holidays, pension, other perks etc. This is why contract rates SEEM higher than salaried equivalent.

If the guy gave you a look of dismay then he's a fool. Your rate was actually cheaper than salaried equiv.

A simple guideline conversion is: contractor daily rate x 200 = equiv salary. Note there are roughly 260 working days in year if you discount public holidays and personal holidays etc. Contractors often tend to have "bench time" between jobs tho.

komodosp

I just diided salary by days worked.

If the guy gave you a look of dismay then he's a fool

...or clever! I've seen this guy handle the most awkward situations with cheer and quick talking. I am sure if he really was dismayed he could easily hide it.

I just keep hearing about the fact that the web market is a bit saturated and prices quoted for websites are really cheap - I have no idea how much he quoted to his customer for this one.

yop

You have seriously under priced yourself if you did that OP.

As Trojan said, individual pages, what you will find is that even though you think that it will take only 1 day per page, you will find that time and time again that it will always be over that.

ChRoMe

yop wrote: »

You have seriously under priced yourself if you did that OP.

As Trojan said, individual pages, what you will find is that even though you think that it will take only 1 day per page, you will find that time and time again that it will always be over that.

Web development for the last while has become a race to the bottom, I see prices quoted for full dynamic sites that wouldnt even cover my rent.

yop

ChRoMe wrote: »

Web development for the last while has become a race to the bottom, I see prices quoted for full dynamic sites that wouldnt even cover my rent.

I hear what you are saying but it will also be a case of "u get what you pay for"

I'm an accountant for a few software developers and the going rates at the moment is from €200 - €350 depending on the language.

Trojan

brenbrady wrote: »

I'm an accountant for a few software developers and the going rates at the moment is from €200 - €350 depending on the language.

Is that an hourly or daily rate? Sounds like rates are going back up to where they were a few years back.

srsly78

It's an hourly rate. Web devs get paid more than investment bankers didn't you know?

ofc it's not an hourly rate -.-

Trojan

Trojan wrote: »

Is that an hourly or daily rate? Sounds like rates are going back up to where they were a few years back.

That's the daily rate. I've been told by recruiters that they have some contractors on €900 per day.

srsly78

Only for very specialised stuff on short-term contracts. Not for web development.

e500+/day rates are only common in finance tbh, and this requires specialist quant knowledge in addition to software.

If I'm wrong please tell where we can apply! IT recruiters aren't generally known for honesty They love to post jobs with insane daily rates just to harvest cvs.

srsly78

srsly78 wrote: »

Only for very specialised stuff on short-term contracts. Not for web development.

e500+/day rates are only common in finance tbh, and this requires specialist quant knowledge in addition to software.

If I'm wrong please tell where we can apply! IT recruiters aren't generally known for honesty They love to post jobs with insane daily rates just to harvest cvs.

You're right, the higher rates that I mentioned are not for web development but the €200 - €300 daily rates would also be for android developers.

Trojan

srsly78 wrote: »

It's an hourly rate. Web devs get paid more than investment bankers didn't you know?


ofc it's not an hourly rate -.-

It could easily be an hourly rate for short term contracts.