Brazil Vs FIFA

Davidth88

Hi

Due to certain circumstances I end up watching the news at 3am/4am recently . This has some upsides , you do see some interesting articles that are not shown on the ' mainstream news '

Last night the BBC was reporting that Brazil ( or more specifically their new Leader ) was having disputes with FIFA where basically FIFA were demanding changes to Brazilian law before the 2014 WC.

The mentioned the issue of ticket prices , apparently in Brazil OAP/Students are entitled to cheap tickets , FIFA wanted to stop that, they also mentioned things like FIFA wanted Brazil to give certain undertakings regarding the rights for FIFA to marketing etc

The rather farcical business back in South Africa cames to mind where only certain beer was allowed and you had people being arrested for wearing other brewer's outfits ( all be it organised as a ' flash mob ' ).

What do people feel about FIFA demanding that countries change their laws/customs to suit their marketing / business needs in return for getting the World Cup or other comp ?

I think FIFA are riding for a fall TBH , this and the obvious corruption regarding the awarding of the 2018/22 WC ( I am English so maybe I am a little biased on that )

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/15084998.stm

Jelle1880

They demanded the same when Belgium and Holland made their joint-bid for the World Cup.

They want to be free of taxes, they want a separate lane on the highways for FIFA people, they want to have the right to determine who or what can advertise (despite this going against free trade),...

Easily one of the most corrupt organisations around.

meditraitor

Jelle1880 wrote: »

Easily one of the most corrupt organisations around.

says it all really,

LostBoy101

And always will be corrupted.

Big Pussy Bonpensiero

Jesus that's shocking stuff. Shouldn't really surprise me at this stage though.

Helix

Fifa rules state government cant interfere with football, yet they seem fine to try to interfere with government. Shock horror

kippy

http://www.leadershiponline.co.za/articles/sports/669
http://www.a2bworldcup.com/20100704432/England-World-Cup-Blog/vuvuzelas-cant-drown-out-din-of-fifas-money-making-machine.html

FIFA are in an ideal position. They know that a country getting a world cup is a massive boost (allegedly) for a country so they can demand pretty much what they like from that country.

ArmaniJeanss

When 6 or 7 countries are bidding to host each World Cup, then FIFA hold the upper hand and can set the terms and conditions re taxes, pricing, ground requirements, etc.
If the time comes when there is a lack of bids for a World Cup then FIFA won't hold the upper hand and the bidding countries can dictate.

The same concepts and logic applies to other in demand events like The Olympics, Ryder Cup, Grand Prix where there are more bidders than events.

Jelle1880 wrote: »

they want to have the right to determine who or what can advertise (despite this going against free trade),...

I don't see any free trade issue at all, if say Dutch Gold wish to advertise at the World Cup then they are perfectly free to go to FIFA and outbid Heineken or Budwesier or whatever the 'official beer' is. So there is no restriction of trade.
And it is perfectly OK to limit the advertising/'product association' to one company, I'm sure we've all been to concerts where only Budwesier was on sale.

mike65

and no one dares tell FIFA to take a run and jump and they know that.

Jelle1880

ArmaniJeanss wrote: »

I don't see any free trade issue at all, if say Dutch Gold wish to advertise at the World Cup then they are perfectly free to go to FIFA and outbid Heineken or Budwesier or whatever the 'official beer' is. So there is no restriction of trade.
And it is perfectly OK to limit the advertising/'product association' to one company, I'm sure we've all been to concerts where only Budwesier was on sale.

There is an issue when FIFA actively refuse other products to be advertised in the cities.
I couldn't care less about what they want in the stadiums, but FIFA have absolutely no right setting demands for stuff that goes on outside football.

And that's exactly what they do.

A little recap:

http://www.rnw.nl/english/article/outrage-fifa-demands-world-cup

Exempt from tax
FIFA has reportedly demanded to be exempted from paying taxes and VAT. Sponsors of the world football association will reportedly receive preferential treatment and exact far-reaching commitments regarding advertising and exclusive rights on the sale of merchandise in and around stadiums. In addition, FIFA wants reserved lanes on various motorways to enable players and officials to travel to and from the stadiums unhindered.

The line about sale of merchandise in and around stadiums actually meant in all the cities where games would be held.

And that most definitely is against free trade.

Zebra3

Jelle1880 wrote: »

There is an issue when FIFA actively refuse other products to be advertised in the cities.
I couldn't care less about what they want in the stadiums, but FIFA have absolutely no right setting demands for stuff that goes on outside football.

And that's exactly what they do.

Yeah, they had ads for Bud (poxy Bud!!!) hanging around cities in Germany in 2006. What an insult to the nation with the greatest brewing tradition in the world!!! :mad:

Fanzones are just an excuse for entities like FIFA to privatise public spaces. After all, what sort of morons need someone to organise their enjoyment of watching tv?

It's defo a situation whereby the EU need to step in and give FIFA a kick in the líathróidí. If EU states are not allowed to comply with FIFA's demands then the rest can stand up to them.

APM

Zebra3 wrote: »

It's defo a situation whereby the EU need to step in and give FIFA a kick in the líathróidí. If EU states are not allowed to comply with FIFA's demands then the rest can stand up to them.

The problem being that FIFA is based in Switzerland, not in the EU. So they can do whatever the hell they like

UglyBolloxFace

APM wrote: »

The problem being that FIFA is based in Switzerland, not in the EU. So they can do whatever the hell they like

Not necessarily. Any entity doing business with another EU country, regardless of that entity's country of origin, must respect the rules and laws of said EU country.

That's not even law, that's common sense.

Davidth88

mike65 wrote: »

and no one dares tell FIFA to take a run and jump and they know that.

You see this was the interesting part in the TV article which isn't in the WEB bit. The BBC correspondent reckoned that Brazil was one of the few countries in the world that could stand up to FIFA and possibly face them down

After all , can you imagine how weakened FIFA would be if the they had tried to throw Brazil out of the WC or such like ?

Krusader

I don't know why the major footballing countries don't break away and start a fresh away from FIFA

GavRedKing

If Brazil stand up to them I cant imagine FIFA taking away their right to hold the WC after they have given them the rights to hold it. Could be interesting but part of me feels this will turn into a none story.

Helix

Crosáidí wrote: »

I don't know why the major footballing countries don't break away and start a fresh away from FIFA

coz the bigger countries make as much out of fifa as fifa do out of them

ArmaniJeanss

Crosáidí wrote: »

I don't know why the major footballing countries don't break away and start a fresh away from FIFA

Well at a basic level the only major football country that has a problem with FIFA is England, both the English FA and the English media.

Hark back to all those Sepp Blatter press conferences in the summer, it was always the Observer and the Guardian and the Times asking the difficult questions, with the odd question about Charlie Brazier from the LA Times.
Not a peep from Spanish or German or Italian or French newspapers.

Ditto the FAs, whilst the English FA was supporting the Scotland boycott of the vote, all the other FAs were ignoring them.

The support for a breakaway just isn't there; we are very exposed to the BBCs and News Internationals campaigns against FIFA which may lead us to think that this is a big issue, but we shouldn't be fooled into thinking that the ROTW feels the same way (as yet).

Zebra3

APM wrote: »

The problem being that FIFA is based in Switzerland, not in the EU. So they can do whatever the hell they like

No, they can't do whatever they want.

All companies or organisations operating within the EU have to obey EU law.

Foreign companies operating here can't ignore Irish law just because they are based abroad.