neighbours kids releasing my dog

irishnamesonly

i need help... my neighbours child keeps releasing my dog from back garden.

My dog is a boxer, and very friendly but other neighbours have told me that the child(2yo) sorry:3yo that takes her is, lets just say "rough" with her, and although she has great patience with MY kids i wud still never take my eyes off them while playing.

I have tried talking to the kids parent, and i may be naive but i had no idea any1 could be so ignorant. after talking to that particular "brick wall" i put a padlock on our gate, but this only stoped the kid for a fw days and today he climbed over the fence and released her TWICE!

dog is tied because she jumps the fence and goes eating all sorts of stuff all over the (very small) village making herself very sick.

i have no idea what to do, the dog dosnt want to be stuck indoors all day and i cant watch the back garden every second that shes out

please any ideas will help

January

How is she letting her out if the gate is padlocked?

irishnamesonly

shes a boxer she can jump over, the child has a small dog himself so my dog dosnt hesitate to go "play"

Fluorescence

Can you keep your dog indoors?

January

If the dog is tied, try stronger ties? A 2yo should not be able to release a dog... or build a higher fence/gate. Or just tell the parents to keep their 2yo out of your back garden...

doctor evil

Dog run?

mikemac

Grease on the wall?

It'll destroy the childs clothes and they won't hop over again

irishnamesonly

well.. i didnt think he wud get over the fence but he did, its a large key chain clip onto her collar but i think if i changed this he would just take off her collar...?

irishnamesonly

fluorescence wrote: »

Can you keep your dog indoors?

she loves being out, why punish my dog?

irishnamesonly

doctor evil wrote: »

Dog run?

is that a cage type thing? like in that movie beethoven?

irishnamesonly

mikemac wrote: »

Grease on the wall?

It'll destroy the childs clothes and they won't hop over again

its a fence... any i wouldnt want to risk injury, that would be a whole other kettle of fish!

R P McMurphy

You could get someone to make you wire mesh panels that you could attach to the top of your fence. Probably not the cheapest solution but at least you would not be compromising on the amount of light making it into your garden. Depending on length it might work out reasonably enough. The boxer might be able to make it up the wall but as long as he/she can't get a proper foothold will probably not be able to manage the wire mesh. For a cheaper solution you could try a heavy duty netting over the entire garden but would probably be a right pain. I have some over part of my dog run but I don't have to go in there so I don't mind it

Fluorescence

irishnamesonly wrote: »

she loves being out, why punish my dog?

Just keep her indoors when you know the child is being unsupervised outside . Not that big a deal, surely?

irishnamesonly

fluorescence wrote: »

Just keep her indoors when you know the child is being unsupervised outside . Not that big a deal, surely?

ah... the thing is this child is left outside ALL day and i cannot see his house from my house anyway. in the "conversation" i had with his mother she didnt seem to give a f*** what he was doing or if he even got bitten, and this is why I am trying to find a solution.

Sigma Force

What kind of parents are they letting a 2 year old baby (coz they still are at that age) out unsupervised shame on them.

Get a dog run, tieing her up isn't ideal and if you can't get a dog run then keep her indoors and take her for longer walks.

Would highly recommend getting a dog run if you can't get the garden re-fenced higher. There are a few on the market now and some have roofs.
I'd recommend if you have a blank wall that you use the wall instead of one of the run panels and then get 2 long side panels, one gate panel and a roof panel because your dog is a Houdini a roof panel will make sure the dog can't scale the run, in general runs aren't easy to get out of but to be on the safe side.
The dog runs come with a handy place to put the padlock.

cilldara.ie are excellent I have mine years and they last a lifetime, worth the investement..cheaper than ending up with vet bills or worse a solicitors letter should your dog (good and all as she is) bite out of frustration with the kid.
Hayses modular are another crowd. There are a few more on the market as well.

One person can put them together and you can move them around the garden, trust me, they are a life safer and will keep your mind at rest as well.

If the parents won't listen then everytime the kid pops over tell the child to go back home and that he's not allowed eventually he'll get the message.

irishnamesonly

thanks Stigma Force it looks like ill have to get/make a dog run then so I aprciate your help.

mymo

I have issues with my neighbours and their kids too, from them throwing food in my garden to calling the dogs to the fence and hitting them with sticks. Parents think its funny.

I keep my dogs in and don't let them out unless supervised. And reported to the council that they are dumping illegally in my garden(since talking to them didn't work).
My dogs are more important to me than their kids are (to me or them it seems)

If you want to let the dog outside you need to make the garden secure or buy a run. Look online for dog runs, its the only thing will work.

Bullseye1

This country is awash with bad parents.

borderlinemeath

I wonder would the mother pay heed if the child "accidently" stepped in dog poo every time she came round to your house - and walked it back to their own house! Just a thought..


** I would never normally condone this kind of behaviour but badly parented kids do my head in!

January

Bullseye1 wrote: »

This country is awash with bad parents.

It's not the only one tbh.

Sigma Force

I like the dog poo idea, just a little smidge at first on the bottom of the shoe..if that doesn't work leave a carefully placed turd at the bottom of the fence.

A bit of dog poo is surely a safer method than the dog getting out and being run over or the kid getting knocked over by the dog or nipped because the kids aggrivating the pooch. What's a bit of poo between neighbours eh :cool:

are you serious

Have you been there when this little scut has done this??

If it were me I know what I'd be doing... washing down the back garden, oops he just climbed right over as I was washing the dog poo... Its terribly unfortunate the things that can happen when kids trespass!!

LOL...

On a serious note, this kid needs to be thought a lesson and there's nothing you can do but talk to the parents over and over. Personally I'd be letting a scream at the little ****! Frighten the life outa him

irishnamesonly

this poo idea is funny and it wud prob be a good idea if i cud catch the kid in the act, but to be honest most of the time he looks like he hasnt seen a bath in a month so i dont know if the mother wud even notice, i have been told that the child himself has been doing his buisness in their own front garden.

irishnamesonly

garkane wrote: »

On a serious note, this kid needs to be thought a lesson and there's nothing you can do but talk to the parents over and over.

that would only be a waste of time... since i spoke to the mum he has upped his "visits" to my garden, and i wouldnt be surprised if she has encouraged it.

mikemac

irishnamesonly wrote: »

i have been told that the child himself has been doing his buisness in their own front garden.

but to be honest most of the time he looks like he hasnt seen a bath in a month

this child is left outside ALL day......his mother she didnt seem to give a f*** what he was doing

Quick call to the HSE to send a social worker around?

Fluorescence

You might not need to bother with a dog run if you can simply make your fences higher? Dunno how high you can make them in your area without planning permission, but here you can have them 6 ft high. No 2 year old should be able to climb that surely...

dshamrock2000

irishnamesonly wrote: »

this poo idea is funny and it wud prob be a good idea if i cud catch the kid in the act, but to be honest most of the time he looks like he hasnt seen a bath in a month so i dont know if the mother wud even notice, i have been told that the child himself has been doing his buisness in their own front garden.

Unfortunately my brother in law witnessed such an act a few weeks ago when opening the upstairs window in his house, 2 kids took a dump in the neighbours garden, washed their hands with the outside tap and then they picked it up and threw it into the bush, wiped their hands on their clothes and ran out with the rest of the kids.

mymo

irishnamesonly wrote: »

this poo idea is funny and it wud prob be a good idea if i cud catch the kid in the act, but to be honest most of the time he looks like he hasnt seen a bath in a month so i dont know if the mother wud even notice, i have been told that the child himself has been doing his buisness in their own front garden.

Sadly sounds all to familiar to me.

I would definitely go for the pen, you can get the gates made to order so you can specify how high up you want the latch (and what type).
At least the dog will be safe.

Oh and place it in view of house, so you can see when the child comes in.

R P McMurphy

fluorescence wrote: »

You might not need to bother with a dog run if you can simply make your fences higher? Dunno how high you can make them in your area without planning permission, but here you can have them 6 ft high. No 2 year old should be able to climb that surely...

You are right, any fence over 6' requires planning

Cherry Blossom

Personally if it was me, and some idiot was letting a 2 year old wander freely around the whole world and refused to acknowledge that there is a problem with this, I'd ring social services (and have done!), it isn't just stray animals that become everyone else's business. The way a lot of people treat their own off-spring is disgusting. A two year old child can't look after itself and if the child's parents have no interest in that child's welfare, it needs to be brought to the attention of the relevant authorities, this should have been done as soon as the issue became apparent, there is no excuse for putting a child in potential danger.

DBB

mikemac wrote: »

Quick call to the HSE to send a social worker around?

I have to say, I feel really sorry for the poor kid. To be allowed wander around unsupervised, scruffy and uncared for at two years of age is so sad. The HSE would certainly be getting a call from me in this case!
Also, people like this kid's mother are, in my experience, the first to cause holy war if your dog so much as scratches their child. Not necessarily out of concern for the child, but because they see euro signs when they sue you for damages.
So yes, whilst it's a nuisance that the little one keeps letting your dog out, there's a whole other bigger picture that I'd find hard to ignore.

MOSSAD

beat the child

niamhsiobhan

It's really very basic, it's your house, your dog, your rules. I'd have a very stern talk with the parents. You have the common sense and respect for others, to tie up your dog to keep both the dog and other people safe. I don't understand how the parents could be so idiotic here and not have the same sense.

Kids will be kids and obviously the 2 yr old doesn't see the danger. It's up to the parents to see it. I know you've had a chat with them before, but this time I'd be very clear and firm in what you expect from them. . . You'd find to see the if anything did happen to their child as a result of your dog, they would not hesitate in knocking on your door.

Cherry Blossom

MOSSAD wrote: »

beat the child

:rolleyes:

Banned

anniehoo

Ok, im a bit lost..

irishnamesonly wrote: »

my neighbours child keeps releasing my dog from back garden.

Releasing it to where? Your estate,neighbours back garden or your own?Im shocked that a 2 year old (still a baby) is allowed roam around unsupervised?Even a 4 year old id be questioning, but 2?! Crazy!:eek:

wrote:

i put a padlock on our gate, but this only stoped the kid for a fw days and today he climbed over the fence and released her TWICE!

Whats the point in putting a padlock on the gate if hes climbing your fence?How high is your fence? A 2 year old cant climb that high. He cant be "releasing" your dog by a gate if its padlocked in fairness.Your fence must be ridiculously low if this is the case.

wrote:

dog is tied because she jumps the fence and goes eating all sorts of stuff all over the (very small) village making herself very sick.

So the padlock on your gate isnt the problem.He's untying him by getting into your garden.How does a 2 year old release a tied up dog?

wrote:

i have no idea what to do, the dog dosnt want to be stuck indoors all day and i cant watch the back garden every second that shes out

January wrote: »

How is she letting her out if the gate is padlocked?

It doesnt sound like its a gate issue. OP if your fences are too low between neighbouring gardens,low enough for a "2 year old":eek: to get over, then this is the first thing you need to address....

the_syco

Six foot high fence, 6 foot high gate, and put some grease on the gate to ensure it opens nicely. Maybe put some on the top

Oh, and call the HSE. Let them know that the child is uncared for, and tends to sh|t outside.

Shammy

anniehoo wrote: »

It doesnt sound like its a gate issue. OP if your fences are too low between neighbouring gardens,low enough for a "2 year old":eek: to get over, then this is the first thing you need to address....

+1 .Sorry op but i laughed when i saw you had the gate padlocked but yet a 2 yr old can get over the side/back fence.

Like the above poster said raise your fences , to keep your dog in and unwanted guests out .

I do find it hard to believe that a 2 year old can climb your fence (it must be only 1 foot) and releases your dog ..........

irishnamesonly

Shammy wrote: »

+1 .Sorry op but i laughed when i saw you had the gate padlocked but yet a 2 yr old can get over the side/back fence.

Like the above poster said raise your fences , to keep your dog in and unwanted guests out .

I do find it hard to believe that a 2 year old can climb your fence (it must be only 1 foot) and releases your dog ..........

my fence is a meter high and im in a rented property so im not going to change it but im going to buy/make a dog run thanx

irishnamesonly

i dont know if im comfortable calling hse over this, my issue is about him releasing the dog. as i said before, i was told that he is outside all day and poos in his own garden, so wouldnt it be hearsay on my part to report it? and although i did get the impression that the mother dosnt give a **** about him i cant realy ring them and say that either. i cant see the house from my house as ive said so what would i be reporting?

ppink

irishnamesonly wrote: »

i dont know if im comfortable calling hse over this, my issue is about him releasing the dog. as i said before, i was told that he is outside all day and poos in his own garden, so wouldnt it be hearsay on my part to report it? and although i did get the impression that the mother dosnt give a **** about him i cant realy ring them and say that either. i cant see the house from my house as ive said so what would i be reporting?

I dont mean to be nasty here but it is attitudes like this that have kids and animals in bad situations in this country.
you know the child is unsupervised and trespassing in a potentially dangerous situation at a young age and have reason for concern over a number of other issues.......................let the HSE decide if there is an issue..........thats their job.

Tranceypoo

I agree with the other posters who are encouraging you to report the parents, this goes way beyond your problem with the child letting out your dog (and by the way, why don't you just keep the dog inside, take it for 2 or 3 walks in the day and it will be fine inside, I don't understand why you think your dog wants to be kept outside?!), a 3 year old child being allowed to wander round by itself and going to the toilet in the garden, that's neglect pure and simple surely?

Look, even if you haven't seen the child going to the toilet in his/her garden, the fact that the child is coming into your garden over your fence and releasing your dog and you've spoken to the mother/parents and they don't give a toss, to me that's reason enough to call the HSE, I'm amazed that noone else has done it so far if, as you say, the child is just let wander round the street/village whatever. I have to agree with Ppink, attitudes like 'I don't want to get involved' (not directing that at you specifically, just in general) is one reason there are so many kids (and animals) in bad situations in this country, you may not want to phone the HSE and get involved in this but I really think you have to, not just for your dogs welfare but the welfare of that poor child.

sambuka41

ppink wrote: »

I dont mean to be nasty here but it is attitudes like this that have kids and animals in bad situations in this country.
you know the child is unsupervised and trespassing in a potentially dangerous situation at a young age and have reason for concern over a number of other issues.......................let the HSE decide if there is an issue..........thats their job.

I think this is very true, turning a blind eye is a big problem in this country in allowing abuse to continue. But I would say be smart about it, its sad to say but people like that are likely to make your life hell if they thought it was you who reported them. Leave it a while before ringing, but do ring, that child deserves a decent start in life, it doesnt sound like he is getting it.

I have found when speaking with Public health nurses in my job that usually they are very much aware of these families, in all my reporting I have not been the first to make them aware. (its part of my job to flag potential abuse, im not just reporting everyone:p:p)

A dog run is a good idea too, esp as there seems to be an increase in dogs being stolen, if a 3 year old can get at your dog then an adult thief would have no problem.(keeping indoors would be even better though!!)

axle108

Hi irishnamesonly.
I can understand your reluctance in not wanting to ring social services. By the sounds of it, doubt parents will be bothered. Unfortunately if your dog is let out by this kid and causes a nuisance to someone else, the authorities will be at your door. As you said your buying a dog run, it'll take care of it. Hopefully kid will leave you alone.

January

irishnamesonly wrote: »

i dont know if im comfortable calling hse over this, my issue is about him releasing the dog. as i said before, i was told that he is outside all day and poos in his own garden, so wouldnt it be hearsay on my part to report it? and although i did get the impression that the mother dosnt give a **** about him i cant realy ring them and say that either. i cant see the house from my house as ive said so what would i be reporting?

Just wait until the child does something to scare/annoy the dog and he bites the child and wait for the backlash to hit you.... because that is what will happen if you don't get something sorted quickly. A phone call to Social Services would be the best thing to do, the child may already have been reported and is under their watch, this will make them sit up and take note.

evilmonkee

I completely agree with calling the HSE.
The child is repeatedly allowed to put his life in danger.
Regardless of whether your dog is friendly or not, this child is in danger being unsupervised outside. Not to mention he is trespassing in a garden with a large dog (who could easily unintentionally hurt the child).

My staffie cross is a sweetie, however she knocked into me on Sunday and I slipped. I now have a bandaged hand and wrist, over-extened little finger and possibly 1 or 2 fractures in my hand/wrist (will find out tomorrow). Imagine what could easily happen to a child. Or what they would try with you if it happened.

I understand that you may feel that you would be putting yourself in an awkward situation but living in a small village, where other people clearly talk about this mother/child, there is no reason to point the finger at you.

KTRIC

Please don't put dog poo near the child. If he gets it in his mouth or eyes somehow it could make him very sick.

The best thing to do is call the local health board and raise the "concern" with them.

lrushe

irishnamesonly wrote: »

i dont know if im comfortable calling hse over this, my issue is about him releasing the dog. as i said before, i was told that he is outside all day and poos in his own garden, so wouldnt it be hearsay on my part to report it? and although i did get the impression that the mother dosnt give a **** about him i cant realy ring them and say that either. i cant see the house from my house as ive said so what would i be reporting?

You can't see the house from your house?? You mean a 2 year old child is out of sight from it's parents for god only knows how long and you don't know what you would be reporting???
There was a incident where I live last year where a 2 years old was hit by a reversing van and died, the mother had sent the child to the shop for sweets (across a busy enough road). The mother blamed the driver, her other children (who she said should have been watching him :rolleyes:), everyone really but herself.
My point being if anything goes wrong, your dog and you will get the blame. Do yourself, your dog and the child a favour and report what's going on.

boxerly

Could you bring your dog to a minder or doggy day care while you work?I know its a pain but if the dog isnt there the child will move on and your dog would have company ,if your dog is anything like my 2 boxers then its all play

Sigma Force

OP since you are renting then a mobile dog run would be a better investement because you can take it if you move, if you build one it might be more fiddley but if you're good with DIY it's worth giving it a go but to build a strong sturdy one the materials might cost near as much as the run panels that screw together.

Hope you get it sorted soon.