2011 GAA Football Rankings

blackbelt

1.Dublin
2.Kerry
3.Cork
4.Mayo
5.Donegal
6.Kildare
7.Tyrone
8.Down
9.Derry
10.Roscommon
11.Meath
12.Armagh
13.Monaghan
14.Galway
15.Limerick
16.Wexford
17.Laois
18.Antrim
19.Sligo
20.Offaly
21.Louth
22.Westmeath
23.Longford
24.Wicklow
25.Cavan
26.Tipperary
27.Clare
28.Waterford
29.Carlow
30.Leitrim
31.London
32.Fermanagh
33.New York
34.Kilkenny

Ok well I put up the rankings as I see it, feel free to agree or disagree on some rankings.Obviously Dublin are now number one after winning Leinster and All Ireland Championships and only losing on one occasion in the League Final.Kerry are number 2 for winning Munster and reaching the final.Mayo could be ranked third but I think Corks injuries and the fact that they are double league winners and last years All Ireland winners keeps them in the top three.I don't know if Mayo would have beaten Donegal but the fact they beat Cork places them fourth for me.

Kildare come in at 6.I think they were the best of the 4 losing quarter finalists.Tyrone are at 7 and are slipping.If they don't turn it around they will slip further down the rankings.Down are at 8 for simply making last years final,retaining their league status in NFL1 and putting a bit of a run together before collapsing against Cork.

Derry and Roscommon for making their provincial finals.Derry slightly ahead because of the more competitve nature of Ulster and their league status.Roscommon are more a championship team and a Division 2 team.Meath slip a few places after a woeful league campaign and losing to Kildare twice.They could climb a few places again next year.

Armagh and Monaghan are fairly similar and those positions could be interchangeable.Galway haven't really moved too much.Poor side and unless something is done,Galway could be in the lower half next year.Limerick and Wexford likewise.Their head to head edges Limerick ahead for me though Wexford were the more impressive side.

Changes on the bottom are London after beating Fermanagh who are in disarray.Kilkenny wouldn't beat New York.

Dr. Kenneth Noisewater

Some controversial ones there. Can see Galway fans spitting fire at the thought that they're being ranked as third in Connacht, although that can't really be argued with at the moment.

I'd have Roscommon in 12th below Meath and Armagh but I agree that we're a Championship side who are probably still a division below our real ability.

Wexford would feel hard done by for being in 16th as much as Mayo could be counting themselves lucky to be in 4th!

Apart from the above, I'd broadly agree with the rest of the table.

Let the vitriol spew!!!:D

hardybuck

For the record, Waterford progressed to Round 3 of the 2011 qualifiers - i.e. in the last 16 of the Championship.

Thats further than a few counties who are ranked well above them, many of whom didn't win a championship game in 2011 such as Monaghan, Westmeath, Louth, Cavan, Sligo, Tipp etc.

As a result I think somewhere in and around the 20 mark would be about right - and very good progress on recent years as well.

Galtee

I don't know about Kerry being number 2, that seems a bit generous to me :pac:

bruschi

hardybuck wrote: »

For the record, Waterford progressed to Round 3 of the 2011 qualifiers - i.e. in the last 16 of the Championship.

Thats further than a few counties who are ranked well above them, many of whom didn't win a championship game in 2011 such as Monaghan, Westmeath, Louth, Cavan, Sligo, Tipp etc.

As a result I think somewhere in and around the 20 mark would be about right - and very good progress on recent years as well.

Waterford got to the last 16 by their only victory of beting London. Hardly anything to be raving about.

I'd argue the point about Wexford being rated higher, but they had their chance to beat Limerick and Dublin to be counted, and blew both of them, so leave them where they are.

Altho I would wonder how Monaghan are so high, and Meath as well to be honest.

hardybuck

bruschi wrote: »

Waterford got to the last 16 by their only victory of beting London. Hardly anything to be raving about.

I'd argue the point about Wexford being rated higher, but they had their chance to beat Limerick and Dublin to be counted, and blew both of them, so leave them where they are.

Altho I would wonder how Monaghan are so high, and Meath as well to be honest.

Fair enough, but we beat Limerick and Tipp in the league also who are rated above us, and we're definitely above Clare and Wicklow in rankings having been promoted out of Div.4 of the league last year, hammering Wicklow I remember.

As I say, Waterford deserve to be a few higher, not in the last 16 though.

AGC

Entertainment/football wise id have Donegal a bit further down the list.

overshoot

bearing in mind donegal lost to the all ireland champs by 2pts, id have them further up. (with kerry losing the final by 1 and mayo losing to kerry by 9,). entertainment has nothing to do with the ability to win games. football wise it was effective like it or not

bren2001

I dont think Cork are 3rd. They flopped out to Mayo at the end of the day.

Limerick are better than 15th as well.

Kojak

deccurley wrote: »

Some controversial ones there. Can see Galway fans spitting fire at the thought that they're being ranked as third in Connacht, although that can't really be argued with at the moment.

The only issue with Galway I see is that Wexford are ranked lower than them. After all the Yellowbellies got further (and won more championship matches) than Galway this year.

Arctic89

The good people of Longford may have a few problems with your rankings, you dont seem to have included them!

They'd probably rank just below Wicklow and above Cavan based on this season's form, pushing everyone below them down a notch.

blackbelt

:eek::eek: Had Longford in the rankings and deleted them to fill in other rankings.

mossyc123

1.Dublin
2.Kerry
3.Cork
4.Donegal
5.Mayo
6.Kildare
7.Tyrone
8.Down
9.Derry
10.Meath
11.Roscommon
12.Armagh
13.Monaghan
14.Limerick
15.Wexford
16.Galway
17.Laois
18.Antrim
19.Sligo
20.Louth
21.Offaly
22.Westmeath
23.Longford
24.Wicklow
25.Cavan
26.Tipperary
27.Clare
28.Waterford
29.Carlow
30.Leitrim
31.London
32.Fermanagh
33.New York
34.Kilkenny

Pretty much the same myself with a few changes bolded.

fullstop

AGC wrote: »

Entertainment/football wise id have Donegal a bit further down the list.

It's not based on entertainment, so moot point.

homerjay2005

bren2001 wrote: »

I dont think Cork are 3rd. They flopped out to Mayo at the end of the day.

this and also, their injuries are being over stated also. they only had one player missing against kerry, who beat them without galvin, tomas, scanlon and griffan.

every team has injuries during the year, im sure its the same for everybody.

mossyc123

homerjay2005 wrote: »

this and also, their injuries are being over stated also. they only had one player missing against kerry, who beat them without galvin, tomas, scanlon and griffan.

every team has injuries during the year, im sure its the same for everybody.

Was Cork's 1st Championship defeat to anyone bar Kerry since 2004.

Plenty of very, very good teams have been victims of one-off shock results over the years.

Tyrone in '04

Kerry v Down last year.

Also,

League Champions '10 and '11.

All-Ireland Champions '10

Cork will be favourites in Championship games against anyone but Dublin or Kerry next year of that im sure... to have them any further out then third is ridicilous IMO.

overshoot

cork will be back next year and with a bang no doubt but they seemed to have a hangover from last year. other than giving Down a good beating they didnt show what they can do. it is rankings 2011, not 2004-2011. the league is all they have to show for this year, so on 2011 performance the question is, is a div 1 title count more than a provincial? (or a provincial and div2 title with donegal)

if we were to take more years into account cork 3rd, definately, donegal -5 places or so

starlit

1.Dublin
2.Kerry
3.Cork

Bang on!

I'd switch the following though...

4.Donegal
5.Kildare
6.Mayo

7.Tyrone
8.Down
9.Roscommon
10.Meath
11.Limerick
12.Laois
13.Monaghan
14.Armagh
15.Galway
16.Wexford
17.Wicklow
18.Derry
19.Antrim
20.Sligo

The same:

21.Louth
22.Westmeath
23.Longford
24.Offaly (switched)
25.Cavan
26.Tipperary
27.Clare
28.Waterford
29.Carlow
30.Leitrim
31.London
32.Fermanagh
33.New York
34.Kilkenny

mossyc123

overshoot wrote: »

cork will be back next year and with a bang no doubt but they seemed to have a hangover from last year. other than giving Down a good beating they didnt show what they can do. it is rankings 2011, not 2004-2011. the league is all they have to show for this year, so on 2011 performance the question is, is a div 1 title count more than a provincial? (or a provincial and div2 title with donegal)

if we were to take more years into account cork 3rd, definately, donegal -5 places or so

I reckon it does... not wanting to get into a Provincial slanging match but the Connacht Championship is of a pretty low standard atm.

I'd see Mayo's performance akin to Down against Kerry in 2010.

Cork ran Kerry the closest (apart from Dublin obviously!) and are well capable of coming back next year and winning an All-Ireland.

I'd see rankings as indicative of who are the best team/who would win an All-Ireland if it started over again tomorrow not who performed the best in the previous year.

starlit

overshoot wrote: »

cork will be back next year and with a bang no doubt but they seemed to have a hangover from last year. other than giving Down a good beating they didnt show what they can do. it is rankings 2011, not 2004-2011. the league is all they have to show for this year, so on 2011 performance the question is, is a div 1 title count more than a provincial? (or a provincial and div2 title with donegal)

if we were to take more years into account cork 3rd, definately, donegal -5 places or so

I'd say that about kerry too though! Back with a bang and all that!

keane2097

Kerry are still better than Dublin imo.

Het-Field

keane2097 wrote: »

Kerry are still better than Dublin imo.

The NFL Campaign and the last two All Ireland Championships would suggest that not to be the case.

keane2097

Het-Field wrote: »

The NFL Campaign and the last two All Ireland Championships would suggest that not to be the case.

Dunno, Kerry were the better team for most of the final IMO. If Cluxton would have missed the last free Kerry would still have been favourites for the replay.

premierstone

Het-Field wrote: »

The NFL Campaign would suggest that not to be the case.

Ah yeah but to be fair the Green Bay Packers were exceptional in the last NFL campaign no shame there

Het-Field

keane2097 wrote: »

Dunno, Kerry were the better team for most of the final IMO. If Cluxton would have missed the last free Kerry would still have been favourites for the replay.

Dont forget what Tom Landry said about "ifs and buts".

Kerry only managed to score 1-2 in the first half of the final, and only scored the second point with seconds to go in the first half. Dublin deserved the lead at the end of the first half.

It is undeniable that Kerry had a purple patch in the second half, but it is questionable whether they had the better of the game.

keane2097

Het-Field wrote: »

Dont forget what Tom Landry said about "ifs and buts".

Kerry only managed to score 1-2 in the first half of the final, and only scored the second point with seconds to go in the first half. Dublin deserved the lead at the end of the first half.

It is undeniable that Kerry had a purple patch in the second half, but it is questionable whether they had the better of the game.

A one-off game is probably a bad way to judge it anyway I suppose. Like, Mayo aren't better than Cork just because they beat them in one match obv.

I think if the two teams were meeting again tomorrow Kerry would go in as favourites - I'd certainly expect them to win.

It's obviously unquantifiable, but IMO Kerry > Dublin, tactical errors in the AIF notwithstanding.

Het-Field

keane2097 wrote: »

A one-off game is probably a bad way to judge it anyway I suppose. Like, Mayo aren't better than Cork just because they beat them in one match obv.

I think if the two teams were meeting again tomorrow Kerry would go in as favourites - I'd certainly expect them to win.

It's obviously unquantifiable, but IMO Kerry > Dublin, tactical errors in the AIF notwithstanding.

So your contention is based on nothing emperical. Dublin beat Kerry on the day, as they did in the League meeting in February, and as such it is fair to say that the Dubs are the better side.

keane2097

Het-Field wrote: »

So your contention is based on nothing emperical. Dublin beat Kerry on the day, as they did in the League meeting in February, and as such it is fair to say that the Dubs are the better side.

Kerry > Dublin imo.

premierstone

Het-Field wrote: »

So your contention is based on nothing emperical. Dublin beat Kerry on the day, as they did in the League meeting in February, and as such it is fair to say that the Dubs are the better side.

Im not going to take either side here but what I will say is try and be honest with yourself and imagine you were a bookie how would you price up a match between Dublin and Kerry in the morning with everything at stake??

Het-Field

premierstone wrote: »

Im not going to take either side here but what I will say is try and be honest with yourself and imagine you were a bookie how would you price up a match between Dublin and Kerry in the morning with everything at stake??

Kerry would naturally be early favourites. However, that would be based on what has been. On reflection, Dublin were treated in a rather insulting manner by the professional and amateur commentariat, who didnt give them an inch before the game.

Further, bookies dont control the quality of teams.

Het-Field

keane2097 wrote: »

Kerry > Dublin imo.

Based on what?

keane2097

Het-Field wrote: »

Based on what?

Intuition.

Het-Field

keane2097 wrote: »

Intuition.

Or bias perhaps?

You position seems to be that Kerry should outflank the League Finalists, Leinster Championship Winners, and All Ireland Champions.

keane2097

Het-Field wrote: »

Or bias perhaps?

It's just an opinion, who knows.

Het-Field wrote: »

You position seems to be that Kerry should outflank the League Finalists, Leinster Championship Winners, and All Ireland Champions.

wat?

Het-Field

keane2097 wrote: »

It's just an opinion, who knows.



wat?

"Out-rank". I apologise.

You opinion is based on nothing emperical.

keane2097

Het-Field wrote: »

"Out-rank". I apologise.

You opinion is based on nothing emperical.

Oh right. I don't really have any interest in a discussion about the weighting of different competitions and all that, and of course my opinion isn't based on anything empirical - there's not really a whole lot of empirical data that's worthwhile on a subject like this.

My opinion is just that Kerry are a better team than Dublin. I think Cork are a better team than them as well, you can have the League final as an empirical measure of that if you want, not that it proves anything in the slightest.

premierstone

Het-Field wrote: »

Further, bookies dont control the quality of teams.

Im fully aware of that but as it is their profession they are the ones who cannot allow sentiment, bias or personal feelings to cloud there judgement and FWIW I agree they would make Kerry favourites all day long.

Dangerous Man

Great thread OP and a really good list you put together. I'd bring Galway up ahead of Fermanagh and bring Donegal up to fourth. I'd also switch Kerry and Cork around to have Cork the second team in the country and Kerry third.

Jake Rugby Walrus666

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Et Cetera

Not that most will have a view on the lower scale, but there's no way Waterford are 28th.

Would be in behind Westmeath. Shouldn't have been relegated. Lost to Limerick by 4 points away, with a man sent off and a crazy decision to reverse a penalty to give us a 2 point cushion in the second half at a critical point, (obviously I'm from wfd and was at the game).

So no, we are much better than that.

blackbelt

keane2097 wrote: »

Kerry are still better than Dublin imo.

NFL 2010 Kerry v Dublin Killarney = Dublin won by 2 points
NFL 2011 Dublin v Kerry Croke Park = Dublin won by a point
All Ireland Final Croke Park = Dublin won by a point

Facts can't be refuted.

corny

keane2097 wrote: »

Kerry > Dublin imo.

I was just about to point that Dublin have beaten Kerry three on the spin now but Blackbelt beat me to it. I'd give you a bit of leeway though and say theres a kick of a ball between the sides as proven by the narrow margin wins. What got Dublin over the line was fierce desire and not necessarily superior ability (something i think you're clutching at). Interesting to see can they match that next year.

Cork are the only side to beat Dublin in a year and a half of football now and in my book there still a side to be reckoned with. So its,

Dublin>Kerry
Kerry>Cork
Cork>Dublin

With a score between the sides on every occasion. All three are well ahead of the chasers with Kildare and Mayo best of the rest.

Clareman

Folks,

Lets keep this discussion friendly and relevant to football please.

Thanks

modmuffin

Theres very very little between Dublin / Kerry / Cork. Until this year both munster sides seemed to have the edge over the dubs.

Due to the way results went this year the ranking of 1-Dublin, 2-Kerry and 3-Cork is correct.

Kerry and Cork will have to wait until next year to try and change that!

tuam hc

why are kerry 2nd

Hammer Archer

tuam hc wrote: »

why are kerry 2nd

Seriously????

bren2001

tuam hc wrote: »

why are kerry 2nd

Hammer Archer wrote: »

Seriously????

I am assuming he thinks it is 2012 ratings. This is a very old thread, 2011 ratings. Kerry lost in the AI final to Dublin (if you forgot)

Clareman

Zombie thread so closing, feel free to start a new 1 for this year if you wish.

Hammer Archer

bren2001 wrote: »

I am assuming he thinks it is 2012 ratings. This is a very old thread, 2011 ratings. Kerry lost in the AI final to Dublin (if you forgot)

Yes I realised that.

fullstop

bren2001 wrote: »

I am assuming he thinks it is 2012 ratings. This is a very old thread, 2011 ratings. Kerry lost in the AI final to Dublin (if you forgot)

Well he bumped the thing so how would he not know it was old!