Was McGuinness referring to the Independent when he said "West Brits"

drunkmonkey

Just from looking at today headlines through the Independent in relation to Martin Mc Guinness, you'd have to ask are they being fair.

There's are all headlines in the Independent today.

"Vote for him if you like - but do it with your EYES OPEN"

"Ross signs for Norris, 67% "no" to Aras Provo"

"Mitchell steps up attack on "Manchurian" McGuinness"

"McGuinness can't be spirit of nation"

"Ghosts of past reveal empty rhetoric and the capacity for old hatreds"

"Mc Guinness has blood on his hands"

"Starry-eyed ploughers and the sinister Norther Star"

"In a very real sense, the opposite of presidential"

"Mc Guinnesse's entry exposes moral ambiguity of establishment"


To put this in perspective the Independent did not have any other headline story on any other presidential candidate. The paper has devoted most of todays' edition to attacks on Mc Guinness.
It's obvious from reading todays paper that the powers that be in the Independent want's Mc Guinness out at all costs.
D you think this is fair coverage for the nations biggest selling sunday newspaper, I think they could have been a lot more balanced in their reporting.

MrMatisse

Seems like fair comment.

Many would consider it responsible journalism to prevent the likes of that man getting near the aras.

drunkmonkey

MrMatisse wrote: »

Seems like fair comment.

Many would consider it responsible journalism to prevent the likes of that man getting near the aras.

Would it not have been fairer to put all the candidates on trial, instead they've singled out one candidate and not even mentioned anyone else. It makes the paper look childish.

vellocet

MrMatisse wrote: »

Seems like fair comment.

Many would consider it responsible journalism to prevent the likes of that man getting near the aras.

Its a function of the media to override a democratic election? :eek:

alchemist33

So they don't like him. It doesn't make them "West Brits."

I don't like the Sindo. It doesn't make me a McGuinness supporter.

gandalf

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Would it not have been fairer to put all the candidates on trial, instead they've singled out one candidate and not even mentioned anyone else. It makes the paper look childish.

Well the job has already been done on Norris and his sins are no where near those those of the "former" Chief of Staff of the Provisional IRA.

Is Martin and his Legion of loyal Sinn Fein merry men unable to take criticism. It is every journalists job to seek the truth and point out the short comings of those who seek office.

In this case they are doing their jobs well.

vellocet wrote: »

Its a function of the media to override a democratic election? :eek:

No its there function to point out issues with those that seek office in this country. In the case of Martin McGuinness they have a lot of "low hanging fruit" to choose from.

I would counter that to avoid talking about the past of a man who wants to go for the highest office in this country would be undemocratic.

vellocet

gandalf wrote: »

No its there function to point out issues with those that seek office in this country. In the case of Martin McGuinness they have a lot of "low hanging fruit" to choose from.

I would counter that to avoid talking about the past of a man who wants to go for the highest office in this country would be undemocratic.

So where are the articles on the other 6 candidates?

One if the Sindo pieces was about claims in an unpublished amateur historians book. FFS.

drunkmonkey

gandalf wrote: »

No its there function to point out issues with those that seek office in this country

There pimping Norris though and looks like there going to put pressure on Lowry & McGrath tomorrow to support him. The indo is trying to call the shots in this election. It's function is to report fairly, it's not doing that.

Biggins

Its the Indo' - crap paper. Take it with a pinch of salt, as they say.
I commented a number of articles where they were going off on a rant, with clear indicative points to where they were wrong and not one post was published.

Guess I know what side they are supporting.

gandalf

drunkmonkey wrote: »

There pimping Norris though and looks like there going to put pressure on Lowry & McGrath tomorrow to support him. The indo is trying to call the shots in this election. It's function is to report fairly, it's not doing that.

Oh god please don't tell me you are so naive. Every media organisation has its own slant. If I took what you are saying to the exact letter then I should have expected to open up An Phoblacht at the time of the Queens visit and to expect that for every article condemning her visit it would be balanced up by one commending it.

The Sunday Independent is a sub standard newspaper that has been on the decline for years. Its core readership will more than likely not be voting for Sinn Fein now or ever. The stories are written with that in mind. As for their agenda if they feel that sticking the knife back into Norris's or any of the other candidates backs will get them an increase in circulation they will do it.

They have every right to focus on any candidate and to delve into their past and to report it. Sinn Fein nominated this man so they should have been better prepared for the obvious implications of his past been probed aggressively beyond calling everyone who questions it "West Brits". That is childish and quite pathetic.

KeithAFC

Fair play to them. They are entitled to report on him how they like. Not everyone likes him.

Sonnenblumen

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Just from looking at today headlines through the Independent in relation to Martin Mc Guinness, you'd have to ask are they being fair.

There's are all headlines in the Independent today.

"Vote for him if you like - but do it with your EYES OPEN"



QUOTE]

Can anyone clarify if this only applies to people with eyes in the back of their head?

mikemac

"Ross signs for Norris, 67% "no" to Aras Provo"

First part is true, no issue at all with that

The second part is strange.
Thirty three per cent would still put him up among the leaders. Maybe even the outright leader?

Funny how you can take a take a statistic and turn it around

drunkmonkey

You wonder what even question they put to the people in that survey,

Did they ask would you like to see a Provo in Aras or did they ask would you vote for Martin Mc Guinness.

woodoo

The sunday independent like to think they set the agenda. I don't like them and it will be a factor in my vote too. I view them as representing the elites and tax avoiders. They also played a massive roll in bigging up the property boom, now suddenly they have all the answers. FOS.

nordydan

The Sindo filth are obsessed with him!

vellocet

The Sindo are as blindsided as FF are. They have been telling their readers at length over the years that no-one ever supported the Provo's and the Shinners were the bogeyman. Now they are faced with a huge vote for MMG - their propaganda will be sorely tested.

Liam Byrne

The Sindo is pure tripe and exaggerates EVERYTHING - almost as much as a standard tabloid.

If McGuinness bothers to react to them specifically, it shows that he hasn't a notion about this country - they're simply not worth reacting to.

I would have thought that the pathetic phrase was aimed at a wider "how can ye not agree with me" group, but I could be wrong.

Wolfe Tone

Yes he was, and McDowell to. Calling it how it is.

eyescreamcone

Maybe McGuinness was not refering to the Sindo as "West Brits".

But he should have done ...because they are!!!

PeterIanStaker

alchemist33 wrote: »

I don't like the Sindo. It doesn't make me a McGuinness supporter.

Me neither, but in the way they think, not liking the Sindo probably does make us McGuinness supporters . . not that I care what the twerps who write for that rag think.

anymore

vellocet wrote: »

Its a function of the media to override a democratic election? :eek:

The function of the irish Independent is to return a profit to its investors - many people get rather starry eyed about the function of journalism is