VAG specialist required...

beherenow

Hi all.

Can anyone recommend a VW/Skoda specialist in the Clare/Limerick/Tipp area?

Need work on a diesel Skoda Octavia Vrs done...Injector related.

-Corkie-

Would Charleville be to far. A guy there done mine before on a Passat 170.

beherenow

No Charleville would be the finest. PM the details if you don't want to post them up. Someone who's done a few 170's is a plus...

I think you know what the problem is with mine if I remember? The dreaded Siemens injector failure. Absolutely no joy with VW Ireland or the main dealer, totally horsed me around!.

So I have no intention of paying them a penny..

Alan b.

george dalton just off the n7 at portlaois. if thats not too far for you the man is very talanted at all things VAG.

Bif

beherenow wrote: »

No Charleville would be the finest. PM the details if you don't want to post them up. Someone who's done a few 170's is a plus...

I think you know what the problem is with mine if I remember? The dreaded Siemens injector failure. Absolutely no joy with VW Ireland or the main dealer, totally horsed me around!.

So I have no intention of paying them a penny..

Hi...hope I am not wrong but as a former PD170 owner I believe VAG , at least in the UK, are being forced to replace the injectors FOC. Google to check or have a look on VAG drivers...could save a lot of money ..3k?

beherenow

@Bif Yup, in the UK they certainly are. Here is a different story, obviously there are less people in Ireland with less of the affected PD170 units so I was onto VW customer services, David Larkin to give the name, numerous e-mails and phones calls (I have all documented for a future claim!) and liaising with a certain Skoda Main Dealer who put it down to "bad diesel".

Even though I have a fuel report contradicting this.

€3100 to replace the dodgy wiring loom and 4 injectors but my car has been parked at the dealers now for 2 months so gonna get it done independently and claim back after.

VW even have a different part number now to replace these ones..

Shocking display of "sure he'll go away if we feed him a few lines"

Full details here if you want to read more----> http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=74563401

@Alan B, yeah have heard of george dalton, would certainly consider, only an hour away, will contact him on Monday for his opinion.

Tea drinker

I don't know how they can tell you bad diesel caused a wiring loom fault, not unless they are on bad diesel themselves. I think any engineer in the country could exorcise their case their in 1 minute. This of course calls into question their approach re: injectors.

beherenow

Tea drinker wrote: »

I don't know how they can tell you bad diesel caused a wiring loom fault, not unless they are on bad diesel themselves. I think any engineer in the country could exorcise their case their in 1 minute. This of course calls into question their approach re: injectors.

Well that's the situation i find myself in. I had a Full Skoda service history on a car with 49000Miles. The research and correspondence with various authorities such as the RSA here and the VOSA in UK indicate there is a serious problem with these specific injectors.

Also when one fails, the ecu cuts the engine mid-flight losing all power,braking etc. Safety issue at its highest and a full recall would be the solution as there are many drivers carrying families around totally unaware of this until it fails doing 120 on the M7..

The reason I am going Independent is

1: I don't trust the Main Dealer.
2: I'd prefer to pay an experienced Indy a reasonable figure than the crazy labour hours for the main dealer..

I just want the car back on the road because it really is a lovely car otherwise..

Tea drinker

Beherenow,
what is the part # for the injectors? what is the exact model/year?

TD

beherenow

Tea drinker wrote: »

Beherenow,
what is the part # for the injectors? what is the exact model/year?

TD

From the research I've done, it seems the upgraded Injector Part No is :03g130073tx

Loom: 03G971033L

It seems the insulation on the loom wasn't sufficient and shorts the system and the two rubber seals on the injectors leaked oil (which of course would be hot) which accelerates the insulation wear

Skoda Octavia Vrs

2.0L PD 170BHP Diesel 2007

Engine code: BMN

-Corkie-

Hi ya I will PM you that number tomorrow as its in my diary. Allthough I can also recommend George, he is around a long time and is a sound fella.

beherenow

-Corkie- wrote: »

Hi ya I will PM you that number tomorrow as its in my diary. Allthough I can also recommend George, he is around a long time and is a sound fella.

I will contact both, get separate opinions on the matter would not be any harm.

And someone would get the business too.

Thanks for that...

Neilw

Are these not being replaced under warranty now? Known fault.

beherenow

Neilw wrote: »

Are these not being replaced under warranty now? Known fault.

I'm out of warranty by a few months. VW UK are operating goodwill policy in affected Skoda/VW/Audi etc on cars up to 7 years old. BUT only when the customer experiences the failure. Ticking time bomb....

This goodwill gesture has circumvented a full recall by the VOSA in England. (http://thumbsnap.com/s/7ME10RtG.jpg)

But VW Ire are a different kettle of fish.

I will post the e-mail that I recieved from the Vehicle Safety department of the RSA here in Ireland. Basically it said VW Ireland would be following suit with UK but the "Bad diesel" seems to allow VW to wash their hands of it.

Does anyone have experience of this particular injectors, as in can they be reconditioned?

Bif

beherenow wrote: »

@Bif Yup, in the UK they certainly are. Here is a different story, obviously there are less people in Ireland with less of the affected PD170 units so I was onto VW customer services, David Larkin to give the name, numerous e-mails and phones calls (I have all documented for a future claim!) and liaising with a certain Skoda Main Dealer who put it down to "bad diesel".

Even though I have a fuel report contradicting this.

€3100 to replace the dodgy wiring loom and 4 injectors but my car has been parked at the dealers now for 2 months so gonna get it done independently and claim back after.

Sorry to hear this...basically it is one of the reasons I traded in for the CR170...that and dodgy turbo, dodgy ESP/ ABS control unit etc. etc.
I wonder, in the mean time, could you get a letter from VW, in light of VOSA etc, that if the recall happens in the future that they will repay you retrospectively if you get the repair done now...long shot but maybe a compromise?

Dilbert75

Surely you're talking to Skoda, rather than VW Ireland?

Also, if you expect it to be repaired under warranty, will you not compromise that claim by getting a non-approved mechanic to do the work?

beherenow

No, talking to VW Ireland, they handle all Skoda related stuff in Ireland.

They want absolutely nothing to do with my case going by the tone of the e-mails and phone calls. I doubted there would be a recall as VW UK are replacing the injectors and loom on a "goodwill" basis over there.

As the affected market share would be much bigger in the UK, it figures to do this.

Here in Ireland is a different story. The only regularity authority I've been on to is the vehicle safety dept in the RSA. Received e-mail from them stating they spoke to VW Ireland and were of the understanding that they would be following VW UK's approach. Since contacted them stating VW Ire they are not. Have recieved no reply from the RSA...

I don't think doing the work at an Indy Specialist would prevent from getting reimbursed if there was a recall once all documentation was kept showing work done, part no's etc..

daedalus2097

+1 for George Dalton. He really knows his VAG stuff, and it seems as much a hobby as a job for him. I head down to him from Dublin with my GTI for any work I can't do on it myself...

tossy

daedalus2097 wrote: »

+1 for George Dalton. He really knows his VAG stuff, and it seems as much a hobby as a job for him. I head down to him from Dublin with my GTI for any work I can't do on it myself...

He is one of only a handful of people in the country i've ever let look at any car i've ever owned.Really honest and straight up mechanic with a soft spot for VAG and Ford (so he's not perfect )

muckeybmwmerc

I actually started one for a friend and when i put it on the vas pc it came up as a recall.rang sheehy motors naas told them i had it half stripped and asked would i reassemble.they said no need as it will lessen there work load all injectors repaired under warrenty foc
hope this helps

bbability

bringing back memories of an issue I had with a fuel pump on my passat. Just make sure what ever you do keep eveything, document everything. It took me 18 months to get a refund, in fact I got two letters from VW Ireland within a day of each other, one saying I wasn't entitled to a refund because the car was out of warranty, the second letter recalling my car for a fuel pump issue and the work and parts to be carried out free of charge.
In fairness I think since they've split from MDL they've improved. That would be my experience anyway.

crosshair1

muckeybmwmerc wrote: »

I actually started one for a friend and when i put it on the vas pc it came up as a recall.rang sheehy motors naas told them i had it half stripped and asked would i reassemble.they said no need as it will lessen there work load all injectors repaired under warrenty foc
hope this helps

Do you have TPi details for this?

Aln_S

Had the same thing happen to me last week. SEAT FR same BMN engine.

I had the car collected by a recovery company in the north (as was on the M1 at the time) who changed the injector for £580.

Going to try to go after SEAT for the cost and possibly see about getting all the injectors replaced.

Only catch is that when I asked for the broken Injector back the garage said that they had to send it back to get a new one. Is this normal?
Just thinking they may have got a replacement FOC? maybe I'm just cynical.

beherenow

crosshair1 wrote: »

Do you have TPi details for this?

+1

Aln_S wrote: »

Had the same thing happen to me last week. SEAT FR same BMN engine.

I had the car collected by a recovery company in the north (as was on the M1 at the time) who changed the injector for £580.

Going to try to go after SEAT for the cost and possibly see about getting all the injectors replaced.

Only catch is that when I asked for the broken Injector back the garage said that they had to send it back to get a new one. Is this normal?
Just thinking they may have got a replacement FOC? maybe I'm just cynical.

First thing, i'll nearly guarantee you one or even the 3 remaining injectors will give up. You need an upgraded wiring loom and injectors.

I don't suppose you have the part number of the the old and replacement injector handy?

Also lodge a report with the VOSA in the UK . If they get enough they MIGHT push a re-call. Also contact the RSA.IE Vehicle Safety Department.

And of course contact VW Ireland and see what story they give you

Bearcat

daedalus2097 wrote: »

+1 for George Dalton. He really knows his VAG stuff, and it seems as much a hobby as a job for him. I head down to him from Dublin with my GTI for any work I can't do on it myself...

Ditto, with my 530d.

Aln_S

@ beherenow

I dont have the P/N at the moment, it might be on the invoice when I pick up the car later.

Just on the return of the injector, I called a SEAT dealer that I know and some of the Injectors can be returned against the new one, specifically the ones with an X in the P/N.

Hmm, £500 x 3 + Wiring loom, possibly not on warranty. Decision made! Car for Sale.

Rowley Birkin QC

beherenow wrote:

VAG Specialist Required

beherenow

Rowley Birkin QC wrote: »

Wait, I get that. Its my opening title suggests something altogether different from the service I actually require....

@ Aln_S: Yeah if you do get the part number could you throw them up. Well just do a bit of research on the topic. Also keep VW Ireland pressed on the matter.

What year is the Leon?

Aln_S

I didn't get the P/N on the Invoice after I'm afraid, I'll see what I can get from the dealer.

Bad news is that the "coil" warning light flashed on the way home last night.. so I suspect another failure may be on the horison..

The leon is 2008, 67K on the clock

shamwari

I know someone that's looking at buying a 2008 A4 2.0TDI 143bhp. Are these cars afflicted by this loom / injector faults as well?

beherenow

Aln_S wrote: »

I didn't get the P/N on the Invoice after I'm afraid, I'll see what I can get from the dealer.

Bad news is that the "coil" warning light flashed on the way home last night.. so I suspect another failure may be on the horison..

The leon is 2008, 67K on the clock

I'd be getting all done. Audi/VW are replacing the injectors and wiring loom in UK. Just don't get caught out on the bad diesel explanation.. Please keep VW Ireland customer services busy with plenty of phone calls.

shamwari wrote: »

I know someone that's looking at buying a 2008 A4 2.0TDI 143bhp. Are these cars afflicted by this loom / injector faults as well?

I don't think so. It seems to be mainly the 170Bhp BMN engine code that are affected.

Does any one know if the existing injectors i have in my Vrs can be reconditioned or even where can I order upgraded part numbers from?

shamwari

I was speaking to a diesel specialist yesterday about a few things and I raised this issue with him. He said that he has replaced lots of the Siemen's injectors which he said is fitted to both the 143 & 170bhp engine (???) and as far as he could see, each was a problematic as the other. He also said that this problem never seems to have been properly sorted by the manufacturer and replacing a duff injector is no guarantee that the replacement will not fail again prematurely. Apparently, earlier versions of that 2.0 engine were fitted with Bosch rather than Siemen's kit and these are more reliable and cheaper to repair.

shamwari

beherenow wrote: »

Does any one know if the existing injectors i have in my Vrs can be reconditioned or even where can I order upgraded part numbers from?

I've sent you a PM

beherenow

shamwari wrote: »

I was speaking to a diesel specialist yesterday about a few things and I raised this issue with him. He said that he has replaced lots of the Siemen's injectors which he said is fitted to both the 143 & 170bhp engine (???) and as far as he could see, each was a problematic as the other. He also said that this problem never seems to have been properly sorted by the manufacturer and replacing a duff injector is no guarantee that the replacement will not fail again prematurely. Apparently, earlier versions of that 2.0 engine were fitted with Bosch rather than Siemen's kit and these are more reliable and cheaper to repair.

What gets me is the fact Audi/VW/Skoda UK are placing them FOC and without question but VW Ireland are battling with me and refusing to follow the UK line.

shamwari wrote: »

I've sent you a PM

Thanks for the info

shamwari

beherenow wrote: »

What gets me is the fact Audi/VW/Skoda UK are placing them FOC and without question but VW Ireland are battling with me and refusing to follow the UK line.

I know, it's sickening and double standards at its worst. We tend to fare out far worse with warranties on some new cars here compared to elsewhere in Europe.

Do you know if those injectors are being replaced FOC elsewhere in Europe? If so, I'd write for sport to the European Commission and complain that the manufacturers are showing a clear bias against the Irish....but then again we all know that the French and German's are running the EU for their own benefit anyway...:rolleyes:

beherenow wrote: »

Thanks for the info

You're welcome!