Racism - Double standards?

Duke Leonal Felmet

I'm guessing most people have seen those Dolmio ads on TV, with the puppets? The ones with silly accents, monobrows and other Italian physical traits?

This seems to pass as acceptable for TV, and I'd imagine most people don't bat an eyelid when watching it. However, try to imagine a similar ad, except its an african-american puppet family with exaggerated flat noses, big lips and all describing how they love fried chicken?

Think this would pass as acceptable on TV?

Personally, I'm not bothered either way, as its just a silly ad. But the double standards are plain to see.

At ease, gentlemen.

For Forks Sake

Aaaaahhh, whensa youra stereotypa day?

Jaxxy

Dolmio - Made In Holland.

tallaghtmick

Have a look at the confused.com ads the black woman on that couldnt be more stereotypical.

sock puppet

Nah it's not just Europeans. Think about any tv ad involving a Jamaican for instance.

For Forks Sake

sock puppet wrote: »

Nah it's not just Europeans. Think about any tv ad involving a Jamaican for instance.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ca-HZ7qiR0I

Duggy747

I know what you mean about the Dolmios ad, everyone knows all Italians are either plumbers rescuing a princess or are in the Mafia. :pac:

Feeona

I spent some time in Japan where it was common to come across a 'gaijin' mask ie big high nose and blue eyes. Also came across signs saying the likes of 'foreigners are crazy because they eat grapes with the skins on'.
It never offended me though. I think it's because my ancestors were never bought/sold as slaves by the Japanese people.

Black/African people's ancestors were enslaved by white men, so that's probably why you never see overt ads incorporating black stereotypes. I think it's something to do with having a bit of respect for what they went through in the past.

Fremen

Thing is, there's a historical stigma associated with being black. It's only very recently that black people have achieved "equal" status with white people in most societies. Italians don't have any historical baggage so it's not really as tasteless to make fun of them.

The Snipe

The stigma on racism, is in itself racism because it divides races.

Red Right Hand

Fremen wrote: »

Italians don't have any historical baggage so it's not really as tasteless to make fun of them.

The Colosseum, Borgias, Mafia, Fiats, Madonna, Trapattoni's salary etc.

jay-me

The Lucky Charms ads in America aren't any different so considering we were slaves too back in the day...

mikemac

I'm outraged

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bp3Dt1Nk3WE

On another note, American children eat marshmellows for breakfast

mackg

Anyone heard the ad for Panda Mama in Cork with the chinese woman with the stupid accent going Panda mama over and over again, It has been changed since but I'm not sure why, it was really really annoying so that might be the reason.

RichieC

The thought of a dolmio style ad with black puppets selling fried chicken is absolutely hilarious..

Solnskaya

"yo mo-fo, when's your fried chicken day, beaach?":D

biko

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l5vx2itH49s

saywhatyousee

biko wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l5vx2itH49s

How is that racist?Or did i miss something?

darkman2

This is on a different level to the Dolmio ads when you talk about racism...all the black stereotypes in one ad.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5LvLn9PWln8

Solnskaya

saywhatyousee wrote: »

How is that racist?Or did i miss something?

there's black people in it and they are not playing a doctor or chief of police- obviously just racist.

Napper Hawkins

All this racism and sexism is so gay.

connundrum

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzhJN9Xiwo8

Can't see how this is racist tbh. Playing to stereotype maybe..

Irish Guitarist

Italian people have Italian accents. Stating that isn't racism. Do you think the advertisement for Jamaican rum is racist because it shows black people with Jamaican accents?

These puppets aren't the first to have monobrows either.

Chuck Stone

Caricatures more than stereotypes I think.

Solnskaya

Also, all Italian people are cuddly, warm and friendly, just like those adorable puppets, oh those wonderful Italians, with their romance, their cusine and their culture and stuff, lovely people to a fault, just like in that great Italian cultural novel, Gomorrah.

Duggy747

biko wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l5vx2itH49s

I hate the bullshìt that was brought up around that ad. Perfectly alright for the white people to look like gobshìtes dancing but not the black people.

I never understood what was the point of using fried chicken as a racist tool against black people. I love fried chicken, I'd eat it every day if it wouldn't encrust my heart in a thick wall of impenetrable fat.

Naomi00

I hate when people use the word 'Paddy Wagon'

It was first used as a really derogatory word in America, stereotyping Irish people and they didn't mean the word 'Paddy' in the way Irish people do, they meant it as an insult. Basically saying that Irish people are all thugs and cause riots etc.

It seems to be acceptable though, somehow because we're Irish it's not 'racist'. However if you replaced 'Paddy' with the n-word or something that would register as offensive it's not so harmless anymore. It's embarrassing to see huge green tourbuses with this written on the side :rolleyes:

Absurdum

Duggy747 wrote: »

I never understood what was the point of using fried chicken as a racist tool against black people. I love fried chicken, I'd eat it every day if it wouldn't encrust my heart in a thick wall of impenetrable fat.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8pyW6w5B7Aw

Temptamperu

But Italians are not a race, more like a nationality.

pragmatic1

Naomi00 wrote: »

I hate when people use the word 'Paddy Wagon'

It was first used as a really derogatory word in America, stereotyping Irish people and they didn't mean the word 'Paddy' in the way Irish people do, they meant it as an insult. Basically saying that Irish people are all thugs and cause riots etc.

It seems to be acceptable though, somehow because we're Irish it's not 'racist'. However if you replaced 'Paddy' with the n-word or something that would register as offensive it's not so harmless anymore. It's embarrassing to see huge green tourbuses with this written on the side :rolleyes:

Not really. If an English man went around calling people Micks or Paddies in a few pubs I frequent he wouldnt be long getting into trouble. Plenty of people would take it offensively.

Otis Driftwood

darkman2 wrote: »

This is on a different level to the Dolmio ads when you talk about racism...all the black stereotypes in one ad.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5LvLn9PWln8

I cant be the only one that feckin loved that ad as a child,does that make me a racist Father?

Duke Leonal Felmet

Feeona wrote: »

I spent some time in Japan where it was common to come across a 'gaijin' mask ie big high nose and blue eyes. Also came across signs saying the likes of 'foreigners are crazy because they eat grapes with the skins on'.
It never offended me though. I think it's because my ancestors were never bought/sold as slaves by the Japanese people.

Black/African people's ancestors were enslaved by white men, so that's probably why you never see overt ads incorporating black stereotypes. I think it's something to do with having a bit of respect for what they went through in the past.

All peoples experienced slavery, at some point. Slavery was commonplace in Europe for thousands of years, as well as Asia, the Americas. Africans were making slaves of each other. I dont see your point.

Freddie59

Ah - "racism":rolleyes:. The refuge of the defeated.

Duke Leonal Felmet

Duke Leonal Felmet wrote: »

I'm guessing most people have seen those Dolmio ads on TV, with the puppets? The ones with silly accents, monobrows and other Italian physical traits?

This seems to pass as acceptable for TV, and I'd imagine most people don't bat an eyelid when watching it. However, try to imagine a similar ad, except its an african-american puppet family with exaggerated flat noses, big lips and all describing how they love fried chicken?

Think this would pass as acceptable on TV?

Personally, I'm not bothered either way, as its just a silly ad. But the double standards are plain to see.

At ease, gentlemen.

I think it is quite offensive, tbh. Don't see much of a difference between that and an ad stereotyping black people. There have been some pretty dodgy ads with black people, though. Um Bongo, Um Bongo, they drink it in the Congo etc.

Fremen wrote: »

Thing is, there's a historical stigma associated with being black. It's only very recently that black people have achieved "equal" status with white people in most societies. Italians don't have any historical baggage so it's not really as tasteless to make fun of them.

Italians have plenty of historical baggage. They weren't considered 'white' in America until quite recently.

MagicSean

It's only racist if it's not very funny. That seems to be how it works anyway.

jonsnow

Duke Leonal Felmet wrote: »

I'm guessing most people have seen those Dolmio ads on TV, with the puppets? The ones with silly accents, monobrows and other Italian physical traits?

This seems to pass as acceptable for TV, and I'd imagine most people don't bat an eyelid when watching it. However, try to imagine a similar ad, except its an african-american puppet family with exaggerated flat noses, big lips and all describing how they love fried chicken?

Think this would pass as acceptable on TV?

Personally, I'm not bothered either way, as its just a silly ad. But the double standards are plain to see.

At ease, gentlemen.

I lived with an Italian girl as a flatmate for a year.She was really sound but used to rip the piss out of the Irish all the time - which I had no problem with.She liked Irish people but also thought we were not a good looking race and were uncultured.Every time some hideous mug popped up on tv -no matter what the context ie.gap toothed american yokel on the news voting for bush etc it became a running joke that she,d say "he must be irish".Then when these ads came on I nearly burst myself laughing "look at the italians".She was pretty shocked that we have some very stereotypical ideas about them as well and were prepared to display them via the medium of puppets.