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omen80

Hi,

Just wondering if anyone else is experiencing the same rudeness as myself when applying for jobs.......
I recently applied for a jobbridge internship with a company in the IT sector. I first applied for the position about 4 weeks ago by email as requested. I then followed this up with another email to their enquires address as I heard nothing back after 4 days. I then called the company asking to speak to the person in question. The receptionist asked for my name and then after trying to transfer me through, she came back with "oh that person isn't in today but will be back in tomorrow...". I asked to have the person call me but of course heard nothing.
About a week later I sent her another email and heard nothing back again.
Then earlier this week I saw that the intership on the jobbridge website had another email address to someone else in the company. So I sent her an email too but have heard nothing.

Who the fcuk are these people? What happened to common courtesy? If I'm not suitable then just say so. If the position is already filled then just say so!

Rant over!

Oranage2

omen80 wrote: »

Hi,

Just wondering if anyone else is experiencing the same rudeness as myself when applying for jobs.......
I recently applied for a jobbridge internship with a company in the IT sector. I first applied for the position about 4 weeks ago by email as requested. I then followed this up with another email to their enquires address as I heard nothing back after 4 days. I then called the company asking to speak to the person in question. The receptionist asked for my name and then after trying to transfer me through, she came back with "oh that person isn't in today but will be back in tomorrow...". I asked to have the person call me but of course heard nothing.
About a week later I sent her another email and heard nothing back again.
Then earlier this week I saw that the intership on the jobbridge website had another email address to someone else in the company. So I sent her an email too but have heard nothing.

Who the fcuk are these people? What happened to common courtesy? If I'm not suitable then just say so. If the position is already filled then just say so!

Rant over!

I emailed some jobs on Job bridge to see if I could do 2 days a week unpaid internship as I only work 3/4 days a week -

A lady got back to me within a week a she was very nice saying they were looking for full time only -

Went for a job interview with a recruiter and she said she'd get back to me - emailed her and no reply so I left it and just assumed I wasnt getting the job.

I think you need a tougher shell - Companies dont have time to get back to everyone

omen80

Oranage2 wrote: »

I think you need a tougher shell - Companies dont have time to get back to everyone

I don't think it's a question of having a tougher shell, that's a different topic entirely. This is just a question of courtesy. And I actually do believe companies have time to get back to everyone. How long does it take to send a generic email saying that you're not suitable? Or "thanks, we'll be in touch"?

Oranage2

omen80 wrote: »

I don't think it's a question of having a tougher shell, that's a different topic entirely. This is just a question of courtesy. And I actually do believe companies have time to get back to everyone. How long does it take to send a generic email saying that you're not suitable? Or "thanks, we'll be in touch"?

Time costs money - If you had a company would you want to pay somebody about 15-20e an hour just to tell some people they didnt get the job?

MagicMarker

They could have had hundreds if not thousands of applicants, do you expect them to contact each one personally?

You applied for a job and didn't get a response, that says all you need to know, move on.

omen80

Oranage2 wrote: »

Time costs money - If you had a company would you want to pay somebody about 15-20e an hour just to tell some people they didnt get the job?

I have to say that's a petty argument. Obviously that's not all they would be employed for. It's just a case of certain people having a bad attitude. I've come across it before, I've worked with people like that. Some people think that because you've sent an email then they don't have to respond. But not responding is the equivalent of someone speaking to you and not even acknowledging them. It's just a bad attitude. It's down to the person, I don't believe for a second that they don't have the time.

Also, anyone can forget to get back to someone. But if they follow up with another email and a phone call, then it's blatently just ignoring them.

omen80

MagicMarker wrote: »

They could have had hundreds if not thousands of applicants, do you expect them to contact each one personally?

Like I said in my 2nd post, they could send a generic email. That takes feck all time.

Mrs OBumble

OP, you clearly haven't been job hunting much since the recession started.

It's an employer's market. That means they can be as rude as they want. Sad but true. If it upsets you, feel free not to do business with companies that behave that way (but I think you're gonna have trouble finding many who don't .. )

ABajaninCork

I've got to the point where I think if I've got a PFO, I've had a result!

DjFlin

Yeah, how dare they not reply to the thousands of emails they probably get each day. Gawd!

Honestly, I'd rather not have dozens of emails clogging my inbox saying "Thanks for applying, but you can f*uck off"

omen80

DjFlin wrote: »

Honestly, I'd rather not have dozens of emails clogging my inbox saying "Thanks for applying, but you can f*uck off"

I would. I can then delete it, but at least I'd know what the story is.

MagicMarker

omen80 wrote: »

I would. I can then delete it, but at least I'd know what the story is.

Really? You don't know what the story is if you don't get a response? It's really self explanatory.

unreggd

OP, you need to realise that any given advertised job would be getting close to a thousand applications PER DAY

So its highly likely that most of your emails dont even get read, let alone checked properly for suitability

Its a given that if you dont hear back from a job, you didnt get it

bridgemond

I actually got a Email back from a job I applied for a few weeks ago and I was shocked. Was nice to get a response, Even though in the end I didn't get the job.

I used to think my emails might not have been sending because I got no reply's lol.

Eoin

MagicMarker wrote: »

Really? You don't know what the story is if you don't get a response? It's really self explanatory.

Only if you know when you should have expected positive a response by, which isn't always the case.

Irish_Elect_Eng

There is a new thread on this very topic every week almost.

I really feel for you, job-hunting is ****ty no matter what way you look at it.

Don't let the man get you down.

It would be polite to get a reply but that is just not reality.

Keep on hunting, there are many ways to get a job but persistence and a thick skin are great tools in the job-hunters armory, good luck.

sanna

After 400+ job applications in 2 years I can safely say I have had around 20 replies that werent the usual automated - thank you for your CV we will review in due course blah blah blah!

If I took a hissy fit after no reply to the other 380 applications I would be locked up someplace for my own safety!

And whats to say they actually got your CV in the first place they could have had a technical fault that time you sent it in! lol

omen80

sanna wrote: »

And whats to say they actually got your CV in the first place they could have had a technical fault that time you sent it in! lol

Did you read my post? I've applied for the job to 2 different people in the company and made a phone call. I think after that I should at least get a PFO.

starlit

Ya I often find that myself. Certain few will reply with a generic letter. I ask for feedback for some of them if I did an interview with them and they reply.

Though there are companies out there that don't bother to reply whether its an acknowledgment that they got it or if I were unsuccessful.

Most of them do acknowledge my applications but there are a few that don't There are companies that do acknowledge my application but don't bother to reply to me if I am successful or not for an interview.

I find smaller businesses are better at replying whether you are successful or not than say big companies.

It's a pain though sometimes you are left hanging even though a no response usually indicates you aren't selected for interview. If it goes on for weeks or months you know you have a less than likely chance of getting any kind of offer of an interview. I have found companies might take ages to get back to me too. Sometimes they are good to get back to me within a few days others could take a few weeks but there are some who might not reply for two months even as long as seven months!

It's just mad that sort of thing happens really its a bit unfair even if you just get a generic reply I think its a bit rude of the employer not to acknowledge it personally or get back to you if you are unsuccessful as you might wish to keep your options open or not want to just drop everything in one go or it moves too fast and so on.

starlit

sanna wrote: »

After 400+ job applications in 2 years I can safely say I have had around 20 replies that werent the usual automated - thank you for your CV we will review in due course blah blah blah!

If I took a hissy fit after no reply to the other 380 applications I would be locked up someplace for my own safety!

And whats to say they actually got your CV in the first place they could have had a technical fault that time you sent it in! lol

How many times have I heard that before!

Ya I often wonder do they get the CV's at all or that they might have a system that they only allow so many applications through the system once you pass a criteria say or what ever. Say if 2000 applied for a job they might not allow any more through the system or something or that they have a way of means testing with software or something like that.

It can happen they could block a particular type of document if it word or pdf or something. Depends on procedures!

kippy

Omen80,
While I agree, it is only common courtesy, I can also see it from the employers side.
Even a "generic email" takes time to put together ensure the right people are mailed.

Companies nowadays are getting (usually) hundreds if not thousands of applications for any roles that are advertised and simply do not have the time or reason to reply to all applicants.

Even in the "good times" this was standard enough behaviour.

You really will need to get on with it, move on to the next application and forget about it.

Mr. Loverman

Managers can be very busy and under pressure, so replying to someone they don't want to hire won't be high up on their list of priorities!

The solution is simple though: they should set up an autoresponder which replies to all applications saying something like due to the large amount of applications we receive, if you don't hear back from us in x days please assume your application has been unsuccessful.

starlit

Mr. Loverman wrote: »

Managers can be very busy and under pressure, so replying to someone they don't want to hire won't be high up on their list of priorities!

The solution is simple though: they should set up an autoresponder which replies to all applications saying something like due to the large amount of applications we receive, if you don't hear back from us in x days please assume your application has been unsuccessful.

That would be a fairer option at least!

krissovo

omen80 wrote: »

Did you read my post? I've applied for the job to 2 different people in the company and made a phone call. I think after that I should at least get a PFO.

My HR will bin any CV's from what they call spammers unless its for a role where there are limited suitable candidates.

Bandana boy

Just over a year ago I was hiring a position even after HR filtering I had 150 applications to go through. These would have arrived at my desk in piles of twenty every day or so
I filtered these into three files

No
Maybe
Call for interview

Those that HR filtered got a PFO
Those I Said No to got a PFO
Those I said call for interview got called for interview

The balance sat in Limbo while i went through the process off interviewing those whose CV stood out.
It turns out that from my initial call for interviews I did not find a suitable candidate and I went back to my maybes and called a few of those for interview -one of which got the job.
The candidate who was hired waited six weeks from submission to call for interview.
And then waited a further four weeks as we went through an offer procedure with a different candidate that did not work out.

I seriously doubt everybody in that maybe pile got a PFO.

Candidates who applied while I was interviewing got held back at HR as I was not viewing new submissions and I woud not guarantee they got a PFO either.

If you were sitting in my maybe pile demanding an answer you would have got one and made very little difference to the size of my pile.

ANXIOUS

My worst experience was going for a job that i was very qualified to do and really interested in. Interview went well, hr said they let people know on Friday. I get a call Thursday im thinking happy days. She says it'll actually be Monday before we let the candidate know. So im thinking grand, i never heard anything back after that. I was luckily in a job at three time.

starlit

ANXIOUS wrote: »

My worst experience was going for a job that i was very qualified to do and really interested in. Interview went well, hr said they let people know on Friday. I get a call Thursday im thinking happy days. She says it'll actually be Monday before we let the candidate know. So im thinking grand, i never heard anything back after that. I was luckily in a job at three time.

I know how you feel, same thing happened to me. Interview went great, had the qualifications and work experience and though I was an ideal candidate for the job, but didn't get it. Got feedback on it alright but it was a very silly reason just means its got extremely competitive to get a job never mind an interview!

MysticalRain

I've never had a problem with employers not responding with a PFO email to a job application. One manager who interviewed me for a job years ago told me that she had 80 people apply for that one position. When she did reply back with a PFO email, she received a lot of negative responses from applicants who were pissed that they didn't get an interview.

I've also dealt with more than a few employers over the years who lacked the common courtesy to reply back after I did an interview with them. It's usually Irish SME's. Foreign-owned companies tend to be more professional than Irish ones in my experience, and it's not simply due to their larger size either.

sanna

omen80 wrote: »

Did you read my post? I've applied for the job to 2 different people in the company and made a phone call. I think after that I should at least get a PFO.

Yes I read your post but seriously mate if you take a huff at message with a lol at the end maybe you should lighten up a bit

We would all like an email saying thanks for applying but if they did that for the countless applications they got they would need to employ someone alone for that role.

A job I applied for I got told had 1023 applications - so do they have to reply to everyone saying - thanks but no thanks??

Oranage2

Also this works both ways - I got called for an interview - didnt show and I didnt get back to the potential employer - They're not your friends and its strictly business!